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| Jan Drew |
Posted: Fri May 26, 2006 8:53 pm |
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Bryan Heit wrote:
But hey, you're apparent inability to tell the difference between pure
metals and there salts in duly noted, and also provides interesting
insite into you apparent inability to understand other basic scientific
concepts.
Reading comprehension 101
[I will be so kind as to star what you missed]
"Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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Bryan Heit wrote:
I notice you were very selective in the papers you posted - here's the
other side of the story. The side that in your dishonesty, you chose not
to present:
lol...
Right backatcha there, Byan.
Once, again your insult is noted...as usual they always flow, when the
*truth* is posted.
I presented the *TRUTH*.
****Here is more*****. Came from guess where?
http://movies.commons.ucalgary.ca/mercury/ |
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| Peter Bowditch |
Posted: Fri May 26, 2006 9:01 pm |
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Bryan Heit <bjheit@NOSPAMucalgary.ca> wrote:
Quote: Umm Jan, that video is talking about metallic mercury - as in pure
mercury. Pure mercury is not in vaccines; rather it is a salt
containing mercury. So the two aren't comparable, apples and oranges
and all that. Table salt is a perfect example of this. Table salt is
composed of sodium metal linked to chlorine. Chlorine is an extremely
toxic gas - so toxic it was used as a chemical weapon in WWI, and many
times more toxic then mercury. Likewise, sodium is highly dangerous -
pure sodium will instantly react with nearly anything, often with
explosive results. But when the two come together you get an inert
substance, which is much less toxic then the original products. But by
your logic table salt should be as toxic as it's constituent elements.
We both know that is not true.
The mercury salts used in vaccines are much the same - pure mercury is
one of the more toxic things people encounter, particularly when
inhaled. But many of mercury's salts are benign, especially when
compared to the metal itself. The knife cut both ways too - some
mercury salts (methyl mercury for example) are actually more toxic then
mercury alone. As they say, nothing in life is simple.
But hey, you're apparent inability to tell the difference between pure
metals and there salts in duly noted, and also provides interesting
insite into you apparent inability to understand other basic scientific
concepts.
Bryan
You're wasting your time, Bryan. The sodium-chlorine-table salt thing
has been pointed out to Jan many times and she calls it a diversion.
As for the toxicity of mercury compounds, she loves to cite
ex-professor Boyd Haley (who now sells chelation full time) as an
expert. Haley told me that the proportion of molecular weight coming
from an atom of mercury in the compound is relevant to the chemistry
of the compound. He also said that as there are no listed safety
issues with ethylmercury it is appropriate to use the EPA guidelines
for methylmercury when talking about the ethyl- compound as they are
basically the same thing.
Did I mention that he is an ex-professor of chemistry?
--
Peter Bowditch aa #2243
The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles
Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au
Australian Skeptics http://www.skeptics.com.au
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| HCN |
Posted: Fri May 26, 2006 10:22 pm |
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"Peter Bowditch" <myfirstname@ratbags.com> wrote in message
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Quote: You're wasting your time, Bryan. The sodium-chlorine-table salt thing
has been pointed out to Jan many times and she calls it a diversion.
As for the toxicity of mercury compounds, she loves to cite
ex-professor Boyd Haley (who now sells chelation full time) as an
expert. Haley told me that the proportion of molecular weight coming
from an atom of mercury in the compound is relevant to the chemistry
of the compound. He also said that as there are no listed safety
issues with ethylmercury it is appropriate to use the EPA guidelines
for methylmercury when talking about the ethyl- compound as they are
basically the same thing.
Did I mention that he is an ex-professor of chemistry?
Oh..
Did he leave the university voluntarily? Or was he asked to leave?
If he left voluntarily, it might mean that scamming desperate parents is
more lucrative than teaching and research. |
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| David Wright |
Posted: Sat May 27, 2006 1:46 pm |
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In article <FpqdnczcaOJf9OrZRVnyqQ@bt.com>, john <scu23@btinternet.com> wrote:
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"Bryan Heit" <bjheit@NOSPAMucalgary.ca> wrote in message
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"At present, there are no data to conclude that childhood vaccines, and in
particular hepatitis B vaccine, pose a serious health risk or justify a
change in current immunization practice." In reference to the risks of
vaccines in regards to autism, thimerasol, leukemia and macrophagic
myofasciitis.
Oh really, you just take any old study abstract that supports your belief
and lob it over the net.
The whale.to method is to take study abstracts that don't support your
belief, but claim they do.
-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"If you can't say something nice, then sit next to me."
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| Bryan Heit |
Posted: Sun May 28, 2006 12:35 pm |
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Peter Bowditch wrote:
Quote: You're wasting your time, Bryan.
Not so. I have no illusions; I will never get Jan et al to switch
teams. I'm writing for the benefit of others who may be reading these
exchanges. Hopefully they'll see both sides of the story, rather then
the rather polarized side that Jan likes to present...
Quote: Haley told me that the proportion of molecular weight coming
from an atom of mercury in the compound is relevant to the chemistry
of the compound.
That's a pretty simplistic description. Electron availability is what
tends to confer toxicity to heavy metals. So any mercury compound where
the mercury electrons are bound/coordinated by the remainder of the
molecule will be less toxic then compounds which leave these electrons free.
Quote: He also said that as there are no listed safety
issues with ethylmercury it is appropriate to use the EPA guidelines
for methylmercury when talking about the ethyl- compound as they are
basically the same thing.
Wow, that's a pretty big claim, especially given the huge known
differences in toxicity and bioaccumulation:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethylmercury#_note-1
Quote: Did I mention that he is an ex-professor of chemistry?
With medical background?
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| Peter Bowditch |
Posted: Mon May 29, 2006 3:58 am |
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"Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Quote:
"Bryan Heit" <bjheit@NOSPAMucalgary.ca> wrote in message
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Peter Bowditch wrote:
You're wasting your time, Bryan.
Not so. I have no illusions; I will never get Jan et al to switch teams.
I'm writing for the benefit of others who may be reading these exchanges.
Hopefully they'll see both sides of the story, rather then the rather
polarized side that Jan likes to present...
Haley told me that the proportion of molecular weight coming
from an atom of mercury in the compound is relevant to the chemistry
of the compound.
That's a pretty simplistic description. Electron availability is what
tends to confer toxicity to heavy metals. So any mercury compound where
the mercury electrons are bound/coordinated by the remainder of the
molecule will be less toxic then compounds which leave these electrons
free.
He also said that as there are no listed safety
issues with ethylmercury it is appropriate to use the EPA guidelines
for methylmercury when talking about the ethyl- compound as they are
basically the same thing.
Wow, that's a pretty big claim,
And a BIG lie.
So, Jan, perhaps you migh6t like to expand on the following, which
Professor Haley wrote to me:
Peter: The toxicity of mercury from ingestion, i.e. that level set by
the EPA in the USA is 0.1 microgram Hg per kilogram body weight per
day based on ingestion of methylmercury from a fish diet. Notice that
the level of mercury is presented in a fraction of grams. Therefore,
to determine the toxicity of mercury in thimerosal or ethylmercury you
have to determine the amount of mercury in fractions of grams.
Quote:
especially given the huge known
differences in toxicity and bioaccumulation:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethylmercury#_note-1
Did I mention that he is an ex-professor of chemistry?
With medical background?
Bryan
Never mind, Peter..he is jealous.
Why should I be jealous?
<snip an enormous CV which is meaningless if Haley is going to talk
nonsense>
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Peter Bowditch aa #2243
The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles
Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au
Australian Skeptics http://www.skeptics.com.au
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| Jan Drew |
Posted: Mon May 29, 2006 2:39 pm |
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"Peter Bowditch" <myfirstname@ratbags.com> wrote
Quote: "Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
"Bryan Heit" <bjheit@NOSPAMucalgary.ca> wrote in message
news:e5cn0c$8o6$1@news.ucalgary.ca...
Peter Bowditch wrote:
You're wasting your time, Bryan.
Not so. I have no illusions; I will never get Jan et al to switch
teams.
I'm writing for the benefit of others who may be reading these
exchanges.
Hopefully they'll see both sides of the story, rather then the rather
polarized side that Jan likes to present...
Haley told me that the proportion of molecular weight coming
from an atom of mercury in the compound is relevant to the chemistry
of the compound.
That's a pretty simplistic description. Electron availability is what
tends to confer toxicity to heavy metals. So any mercury compound where
the mercury electrons are bound/coordinated by the remainder of the
molecule will be less toxic then compounds which leave these electrons
free.
He also said that as there are no listed safety
issues with ethylmercury it is appropriate to use the EPA guidelines
for methylmercury when talking about the ethyl- compound as they are
basically the same thing.
Wow, that's a pretty big claim,
And a BIG lie.
So, Jan, perhaps you migh6t [sic] like to expand on the following,
<snip>
Nah, beins you're itching for an argument.[trying to find that word
nervosa..lol]
Methinks.. I'll not make a fool of you again, but let you stew in your
juices.
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