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Vladimir Bondarenko
Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2007 4:12 pm
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Hello computer algebra adorers,

Is there a soul who can show in terms of CAS commands
how to calculate this limit

limit(InverseJacobiAM(I*arcsinh(sqrt(2)*z), I/sqrt(3)),
z= infinity);

(where InverseJacobiAM stands for the inverse of the
Jacobi amplitude function as it is defined in Maple) ?

Best wishes,

Vladimir Bondarenko

VM and GEMM architect
Co-founder, CEO, Mathematical Director

http://www.cybertester.com/ Cyber Tester, LLC
http://maple.bug-list.org/ Maple Bugs Encyclopaedia
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Mate
Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2007 6:37 pm
Guest
On Jun 5, 12:12 am, Vladimir Bondarenko <v...@cybertester.com> wrote:
Quote:

limit(InverseJacobiAM(I*arcsinh(sqrt(2)*z), I/sqrt(3)),
z= infinity);



ans:= 1/2* 3^(1/2)* ( EllipticK(1/2) + EllipticK(1/2*3^(1/2))*I )

Mate
dimitris
Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 6:39 pm
Guest
Greetings from the sunny Greece!

Let's see what Mathematica and Mind can do!
(I think this the deep scope of Vladimir's challenges!)

Let's define InverseJacobiAM (I think is not defined
as a built in function in Mathematica but this is not
a problem at all!)

$VersionNumber
5.2

InvJacAM[o_, k_] := Integrate[1/Sqrt[1 - k^2*Sin[u]^2], {u, 0, o},
GenerateConditions -> False]

So for the particular case we have

InvJacAM[I*ArcSinh[Sqrt[2]*z], I/Sqrt[3]]
EllipticF[I*ArcSinh[Sqrt[2]*z], -(1/3)]

Good!

Let's see the limit.

Limit[InvJacAM[I*ArcSinh[Sqrt[2]*z], I/Sqrt[3]], z -> Infinity]
Limit[EllipticF[I*ArcSinh[Sqrt[2]*z], -(1/3)], z -> Infinity]

It returns unevaluated. Bad!

I think the main problem is the expression ArcSinh[Sqrt[2]*z]
inside the EllipticF. For, as z->infinity, it diverges
logarithmically!
Indeed

(Simplify[#1, z > 0] & )[Normal[Series[ArcSinh[Sqrt[2]*z], {z,
Infinity, 4}]]]
-(3/(128*z^4)) + 1/(8*z^2) + Log[8]/2 + Log[z]

Limit[ArcSinh[Sqrt[2]*z], z -> Infinity]
Infinity

Let's investigate a bit the behavior of the function
EllipticF[I*ArcSinh[Sqrt[2]*z], -(1/3)],
graphically

Plot[Re[EllipticF[I*ArcSinh[Sqrt[2]*z], -(1/3)]], {z, 0, 30}, Axes ->
False, Frame -> True]
Plot[Im[EllipticF[I*ArcSinh[Sqrt[2]*z], -(1/3)]], {z, 0, 30},
PlotRange -> {1.8, 1.9}, Axes -> False, Frame -> True]

It is apparent that for big z, the function tends to a constant
(complex) value.

Resorting to the integral representation of F[o,m] allows us to
calculate the value of
F[I infinity,m]

PowerExpand[Integrate[1/(Sqrt[1 - t^2]*Sqrt[1 - m*t^2]), {t, 0,
I*Infinity}, GenerateConditions -> False]]
I*EllipticK[1 - m]

Here m=-1/3. So, the requesting limit is (at last!)

I*EllipticK[1 - m] /. m -> -3^(-1)
I*EllipticK[4/3]

N[%]
1.4599026317063393 + 1.8675973343933385*I

Cheers
Dimitris






/ Vladimir Bondarenko :
Quote:
Hello computer algebra adorers,

Is there a soul who can show in terms of CAS commands
how to calculate this limit

limit(InverseJacobiAM(I*arcsinh(sqrt(2)*z), I/sqrt(3)),
z= infinity);

(where InverseJacobiAM stands for the inverse of the
Jacobi amplitude function as it is defined in Maple) ?

Best wishes,

Vladimir Bondarenko

VM and GEMM architect
Co-founder, CEO, Mathematical Director

http://www.cybertester.com/ Cyber Tester, LLC
http://maple.bug-list.org/ Maple Bugs Encyclopaedia
http://www.CAS-testing.org/ CAS Testing
Vladimir Bondarenko
Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 10:32 pm
Guest
On Jun 7, 4:39 pm, dimitris <dimmec...@yahoo.com> writes:

DA> Greetings from the sunny Greece!

Greetings from the sunny Simferopol!

DA> Let's see what Mathematica and Mind can do!
DA> (I think this the deep scope of Vladimir's challenges!)

I am much impressed with your mental grasp and the exactness
you pinpointed one of main goals of the Cyber Tester's
challenges.

I will say more about the challenges and the goals soon.

DA> Let's see what Mathematica and Mind can do!
DA> InvJacAM[o_, k_] := .......................

Let's see what Mathematica 6 and Mind can do!

In[1] := InvJacAM[o_,k_]:=Integrate[1/Sqrt[1-k^2*Sin[u]^2],
{u, 0, o}, GenerateConditions -> False];

In[2] := Limit[InvJacAM[I*ArcSinh[Sqrt[2]*z],I/Sqrt[3]],
z->Infinity]

Out[2] = I*EllipticK[4/3]

.... => with Mathematica 6, nothing remains to the Mind ... ;)

Cheers,

Vladimir

Quote:
Greetings from the sunny Greece!

Let's see what Mathematica and Mind can do!
(I think this the deep scope of Vladimir's challenges!)

Let's define InverseJacobiAM (I think is not defined
as a built in function in Mathematica but this is not
a problem at all!)

$VersionNumber
5.2

InvJacAM[o_, k_] := Integrate[1/Sqrt[1 - k^2*Sin[u]^2], {u, 0, o},
GenerateConditions -> False]

So for the particular case we have

InvJacAM[I*ArcSinh[Sqrt[2]*z], I/Sqrt[3]]
EllipticF[I*ArcSinh[Sqrt[2]*z], -(1/3)]

Good!

Let's see the limit.

Limit[InvJacAM[I*ArcSinh[Sqrt[2]*z], I/Sqrt[3]], z -> Infinity]
Limit[EllipticF[I*ArcSinh[Sqrt[2]*z], -(1/3)], z -> Infinity]

It returns unevaluated. Bad!

I think the main problem is the expression ArcSinh[Sqrt[2]*z]
inside the EllipticF. For, as z->infinity, it diverges
logarithmically!
Indeed

(Simplify[#1, z > 0] & )[Normal[Series[ArcSinh[Sqrt[2]*z], {z,
Infinity, 4}]]]
-(3/(128*z^4)) + 1/(8*z^2) + Log[8]/2 + Log[z]

Limit[ArcSinh[Sqrt[2]*z], z -> Infinity]
Infinity

Let's investigate a bit the behavior of the function
EllipticF[I*ArcSinh[Sqrt[2]*z], -(1/3)],
graphically

Plot[Re[EllipticF[I*ArcSinh[Sqrt[2]*z], -(1/3)]], {z, 0, 30}, Axes -
False, Frame -> True]
Plot[Im[EllipticF[I*ArcSinh[Sqrt[2]*z], -(1/3)]], {z, 0, 30},
PlotRange -> {1.8, 1.9}, Axes -> False, Frame -> True]

It is apparent that for big z, the function tends to a constant
(complex) value.

Resorting to the integral representation of F[o,m] allows us to
calculate the value of
F[I infinity,m]

PowerExpand[Integrate[1/(Sqrt[1 - t^2]*Sqrt[1 - m*t^2]), {t, 0,
I*Infinity}, GenerateConditions -> False]]
I*EllipticK[1 - m]

Here m=-1/3. So, the requesting limit is (at last!)

I*EllipticK[1 - m] /. m -> -3^(-1)
I*EllipticK[4/3]

N[%]
1.4599026317063393 + 1.8675973343933385*I

Cheers
Dimitris

/ Vladimir Bondarenko :

Hello computer algebra adorers,

Is there a soul who can show in terms of CAS commands
how to calculate this limit

limit(InverseJacobiAM(I*arcsinh(sqrt(2)*z), I/sqrt(3)),
z= infinity);

(where InverseJacobiAM stands for the inverse of the
Jacobi amplitude function as it is defined in Maple) ?

Best wishes,

Vladimir Bondarenko

VM and GEMM architect
Co-founder, CEO, Mathematical Director

http://www.cybertester.com/ Cyber Tester, LLC
http://maple.bug-list.org/ Maple Bugs Encyclopaedia
http://www.CAS-testing.org/ CAS Testing
 
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