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Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 11:57 pm |
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Dear Subscriber,
The belief in "authority" drastically warps the way most people
view reality. Oddly, people like to think the belief is a
civilizing influence, when the exact opposite is true: the most
heinous evils because generally accepted as legitimate and good
when done by a perceived "authority." Most people are utterly
incapable of viewing the world without their authority-colored
glasses dramatically twisting what they see. The belief in
"government," man-made "law," and "authority" in general, make most
people unable to see the literal truth of what is going on.
For years now the government and the media have been condemning the
evils of "terrorists." Who are they talking about? Well, if you use
the government's definition, a "terrorist" is one who uses
violence, or the threat of violence, to achieve a political end.
As many of you have heard by now, a collection of several vehicles,
apparently including an armed vehicle, filled with heavily armed
state and federal "law enforcement" personnel, was seen yesterday
heading towards the New Hampshire home of Ed and Elaine Brown. As I
understand it, those "authorities" have now laid seige to the
place, and cut the phone lines, but it sounds like there has been
no raid and no arrest as of yet. (Incidentally, I'm just getting
this from various internet posts, so don't expect me to have any
special inside info.) In one newspaper article, one of the "law
enforcement" personnel said that they had no intention whatsoever
of having a violent conflict with the Browns. Yeah, sure. I guess
they brought along the armored vehicle to do some fun off-roading
in their spare time.
Can anyone tell me, with a straight face, that the government is
NOT using violence, or the threat of violence, to achieve a
political end? Mr. and Mrs. Brown did not assault anyone, or rob
anyone, or defraud anyone. Their "sin" was to not pay the federal
terrorists their "protection" money, which (as far as I can tell)
the Browns had good reason to believe they didn't even "legally"
owe.
But whether a terrorist passes a "law" before committing his
violence makes no difference to whether his actions are righteous
or justified. Unfortunately, it does make a huge difference to
whether people PERCEIVE the actions as justified. If not for the
belief in "authority," any moron could see that the Browns are now
surrounded by a gang of terrorists. But when the terrorism is
"legal" (whatever that means), the vast majority of people suddenly
see the VICTIM as the bad guy, and the perpetrators as noble "law
enforcers."
There is one up-side to the current thuggery being used against the
Browns: it is happening in the open. Normally the terrorism
perpetrated by American "authorities" is only implied, which helps
people not think of it as terrorism. EVERY demand by government is
backed by the ability and willingness to use force, including
deadly force. Because most people comply long before such a threat
ever becomes blatant, we rarely see the true nature of the beast.
Only when people like the Browns refuse to comply with the veiled
threats dressed up as "requests" do we get to see the NON-veiled
threats, which show the true nature of the American terrorists.
If you want a taste of what lies behind the euphemism of American
"law enforcement," go rent "Waco: Rules of Engagement." These
people are murderers and terrorists. Behind their uniforms and
pretended legitimacy, they are despicable, power-happy, authority-
worshiping fascists, who will not hesitate to injure, torture, or
kill their fellow man if the "government" myth tells them to.
I very much hope that the Browns have a better end result than the
Branch Davidians did. One advantage they have is that a lot more
people are paying attention to what is really going on up there
(though it sounds like the terrorists, who like their sins to be
done in secret, have cut their phone lines).
It was only a few short years ago that I considered myself to be a
supporter of "law enforcement." After a few first-hand experiences
(a lot more tame than what the Browns are going through) showed me
who and what these people really are, I am proud to say that I will
forever be an enemy of the state, as any decent person should be.
You cannot be pro-government and anti-terrorism. The two are one in
the same.
Sincerely,
Larken Rose
www.larkenrose.com |
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Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2007 3:59 pm |
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knews4u2chew@yahoo.com wrote:
Quote: Dear Subscriber,
The belief in "authority" drastically warps the way most people
view reality. Oddly, people like to think the belief is a
civilizing influence, when the exact opposite is true: the most
heinous evils because generally accepted as legitimate and good
when done by a perceived "authority." Most people are utterly
incapable of viewing the world without their authority-colored
glasses dramatically twisting what they see. The belief in
"government," man-made "law," and "authority" in general, make most
people unable to see the literal truth of what is going on.
For years now the government and the media have been condemning the
evils of "terrorists." Who are they talking about? Well, if you use
the government's definition, a "terrorist" is one who uses
violence, or the threat of violence, to achieve a political end.
As many of you have heard by now, a collection of several vehicles,
apparently including an armed vehicle, filled with heavily armed
state and federal "law enforcement" personnel, was seen yesterday
heading towards the New Hampshire home of Ed and Elaine Brown. As I
understand it, those "authorities" have now laid seige to the
place, and cut the phone lines, but it sounds like there has been
no raid and no arrest as of yet. (Incidentally, I'm just getting
this from various internet posts, so don't expect me to have any
special inside info.) In one newspaper article, one of the "law
enforcement" personnel said that they had no intention whatsoever
of having a violent conflict with the Browns. Yeah, sure. I guess
they brought along the armored vehicle to do some fun off-roading
in their spare time.
Can anyone tell me, with a straight face, that the government is
NOT using violence, or the threat of violence, to achieve a
political end? Mr. and Mrs. Brown did not assault anyone, or rob
anyone, or defraud anyone. Their "sin" was to not pay the federal
terrorists their "protection" money, which (as far as I can tell)
the Browns had good reason to believe they didn't even "legally"
owe.
But whether a terrorist passes a "law" before committing his
violence makes no difference to whether his actions are righteous
or justified. Unfortunately, it does make a huge difference to
whether people PERCEIVE the actions as justified. If not for the
belief in "authority," any moron could see that the Browns are now
surrounded by a gang of terrorists. But when the terrorism is
"legal" (whatever that means), the vast majority of people suddenly
see the VICTIM as the bad guy, and the perpetrators as noble "law
enforcers."
There is one up-side to the current thuggery being used against the
Browns: it is happening in the open. Normally the terrorism
perpetrated by American "authorities" is only implied, which helps
people not think of it as terrorism. EVERY demand by government is
backed by the ability and willingness to use force, including
deadly force. Because most people comply long before such a threat
ever becomes blatant, we rarely see the true nature of the beast.
Only when people like the Browns refuse to comply with the veiled
threats dressed up as "requests" do we get to see the NON-veiled
threats, which show the true nature of the American terrorists.
If you want a taste of what lies behind the euphemism of American
"law enforcement," go rent "Waco: Rules of Engagement." These
people are murderers and terrorists. Behind their uniforms and
pretended legitimacy, they are despicable, power-happy, authority-
worshiping fascists, who will not hesitate to injure, torture, or
kill their fellow man if the "government" myth tells them to.
I very much hope that the Browns have a better end result than the
Branch Davidians did. One advantage they have is that a lot more
people are paying attention to what is really going on up there
(though it sounds like the terrorists, who like their sins to be
done in secret, have cut their phone lines).
It was only a few short years ago that I considered myself to be a
supporter of "law enforcement." After a few first-hand experiences
(a lot more tame than what the Browns are going through) showed me
who and what these people really are, I am proud to say that I will
forever be an enemy of the state, as any decent person should be.
You cannot be pro-government and anti-terrorism. The two are one in
the same.
Sincerely,
Larken Rose
www.larkenrose.com
You are a hopeless goon. You repeat anything such discredited
individuals as Rose display. You are totally gullible and without a
single critical cell in your head.
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Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2007 4:32 pm |
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On Jun 9, 1:59 pm, Fred Kasner <fkas...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Quote: knews4u2c...@yahoo.com wrote:
Dear Subscriber,
The belief in "authority" drastically warps the way most people
view reality. Oddly, people like to think the belief is a
civilizing influence, when the exact opposite is true: the most
heinous evils because generally accepted as legitimate and good
when done by a perceived "authority." Most people are utterly
incapable of viewing the world without their authority-colored
glasses dramatically twisting what they see. The belief in
"government," man-made "law," and "authority" in general, make most
people unable to see the literal truth of what is going on.
For years now the government and the media have been condemning the
evils of "terrorists." Who are they talking about? Well, if you use
the government's definition, a "terrorist" is one who uses
violence, or the threat of violence, to achieve a political end.
As many of you have heard by now, a collection of several vehicles,
apparently including an armed vehicle, filled with heavily armed
state and federal "law enforcement" personnel, was seen yesterday
heading towards the New Hampshire home of Ed and Elaine Brown. As I
understand it, those "authorities" have now laid seige to the
place, and cut the phone lines, but it sounds like there has been
no raid and no arrest as of yet. (Incidentally, I'm just getting
this from various internet posts, so don't expect me to have any
special inside info.) In one newspaper article, one of the "law
enforcement" personnel said that they had no intention whatsoever
of having a violent conflict with the Browns. Yeah, sure. I guess
they brought along the armored vehicle to do some fun off-roading
in their spare time.
Can anyone tell me, with a straight face, that the government is
NOT using violence, or the threat of violence, to achieve a
political end? Mr. and Mrs. Brown did not assault anyone, or rob
anyone, or defraud anyone. Their "sin" was to not pay the federal
terrorists their "protection" money, which (as far as I can tell)
the Browns had good reason to believe they didn't even "legally"
owe.
But whether a terrorist passes a "law" before committing his
violence makes no difference to whether his actions are righteous
or justified. Unfortunately, it does make a huge difference to
whether people PERCEIVE the actions as justified. If not for the
belief in "authority," any moron could see that the Browns are now
surrounded by a gang of terrorists. But when the terrorism is
"legal" (whatever that means), the vast majority of people suddenly
see the VICTIM as the bad guy, and the perpetrators as noble "law
enforcers."
There is one up-side to the current thuggery being used against the
Browns: it is happening in the open. Normally the terrorism
perpetrated by American "authorities" is only implied, which helps
people not think of it as terrorism. EVERY demand by government is
backed by the ability and willingness to use force, including
deadly force. Because most people comply long before such a threat
ever becomes blatant, we rarely see the true nature of the beast.
Only when people like the Browns refuse to comply with the veiled
threats dressed up as "requests" do we get to see the NON-veiled
threats, which show the true nature of the American terrorists.
If you want a taste of what lies behind the euphemism of American
"law enforcement," go rent "Waco: Rules of Engagement." These
people are murderers and terrorists. Behind their uniforms and
pretended legitimacy, they are despicable, power-happy, authority-
worshiping fascists, who will not hesitate to injure, torture, or
kill their fellow man if the "government" myth tells them to.
I very much hope that the Browns have a better end result than the
Branch Davidians did. One advantage they have is that a lot more
people are paying attention to what is really going on up there
(though it sounds like the terrorists, who like their sins to be
done in secret, have cut their phone lines).
It was only a few short years ago that I considered myself to be a
supporter of "law enforcement." After a few first-hand experiences
(a lot more tame than what the Browns are going through) showed me
who and what these people really are, I am proud to say that I will
forever be an enemy of the state, as any decent person should be.
You cannot be pro-government and anti-terrorism. The two are one in
the same.
Sincerely,
Larken Rose
www.larkenrose.com
You are a hopeless goon. You repeat anything such discredited
individuals as Rose display. You are totally gullible and without a
single critical cell in your head.
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Ad hominem.
Why don't you simply address ONE of his points? |
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Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2007 4:39 pm |
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On Jun 9, 5:32 pm, knews4u2chew@yahoo.com wrote:
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On Jun 9, 1:59 pm, Fred Kasner <fkas...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
knews4u2c...@yahoo.com wrote:
Dear Subscriber, knews4u2chew@yahoo.com
Larken Rose aka "The scammer in the slammer"
www.larkenrose.com/tax.scams
You are a hopeless goon. You repeat anything such discredited
individuals as Rose display. You are totally gullible and without a
single critical cell in your head.
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Ad hominem.
Why don't you simply address ONE of his points?
How about all of his points?
www.evans-legal.com/dan/tpfaq.html
www.quatloos.com internet tax scams
www.fraudsandscams.com
www.quatlosers.com
Tax Fraud reporting -
IRS Form 3949-A (available online)
When a scam gets rolling, all sorts of human cockroaches come out of
the woodwork to try to cash in. This is the perfect description of
Larken Rose, a scammer come lately to the world of tax protesting who
runs tax scam website www.taxableincome.net. Not being smart enough
to come up with any unique theory of his own, Larken has simply
latched on to the "861" or "Income Can't Be Defined" arguments that
end up with the conclusion that only foreigners are required to pay
income tax. Larkin's argument has been exploded more times than a pack
of Blackcats at a 4th of July festival (see below) but this hasn't
stopped Larken from marketing his video for $20 on his other website
http://www.theft-by-deception.com or www.larkenrose.com
Larken Rose of Hollywood, Pennsylvania was sentenced in federal
district court to 15 months imprisonment for failing to file tax
returns for the years 1998 -2002, the Justice Department and Internal
Revenue Service (IRS) announced today. In compliance with Judge
Michael M. Baylson's admonition following Rose's conviction in August,
Rose submitted delinquent tax returns for the years 1997-2004 and paid
a substantial deposit to the IRS toward his outstanding tax liability.
The court sentenced Rose to one year of supervised release following
his prison term and ordered Rose to pay a fine of $10,000 and all
taxes, interest, and penalties he owes to the IRS.
"People who intentionally fail to file returns or pay taxes as
required by law can expect to face criminal prosecution, conviction
and imprisonment," said Eileen J. O'Connor, Assistant Attorney General
for the Justice Department's Tax Division. "And they will still be
required to pay the taxes they tried to avoid, plus interest and
penalties."
Rose, a former co-owner of a medical transcription business, was
convicted by a jury in August 2005 of five counts of willfully failing
to file federal income tax returns. The evidence at trial established
that Rose did not file returns for 1998-2002 |
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Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2007 5:47 pm |
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<knews2chew@yahoos.com> wrote
Quote: Why don't you simply address ONE of his points?
What point was made?
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provides a relief denied by prayer"
Mark Twain
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Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2007 5:56 pm |
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<knews2chew@yahoos.com> wrote
Quote: Why don't you simply address ONE of his points?
I addressed his points back in the late 1990's on this
group, he did not listen, and ended up in prison.
So go learn from his error of willful ignorance.
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Richard A. Macdonald, CPA/EA
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the government we're paying for.
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Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2007 6:01 pm |
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Quote: There is one up-side to the current thuggery being used against the
Browns: it is happening in the open. Normally the terrorism
perpetrated by American "authorities" is only implied, which helps
people not think of it as terrorism. EVERY demand by government is
backed by the ability and willingness to use force, including
deadly force. Because most people comply long before such a threat
ever becomes blatant, we rarely see the true nature of the beast.
Only when people like the Browns refuse to comply with the veiled
threats dressed up as "requests" do we get to see the NON-veiled
threats, which show the true nature of the American terrorists.
President Bush should give his slumping approval ratings a boost by sending
the Browns and Paris Hilton to Gitmo where there are no taxes, no lawyers,
no Entertainment Tonight, and no habeas corpus.
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Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2007 7:51 pm |
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knews4u2chew@yahoo.com wrote:
Quote: On Jun 9, 1:59 pm, Fred Kasner <fkas...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
knews4u2c...@yahoo.com wrote:
Dear Subscriber,
The belief in "authority" drastically warps the way most people
view reality. Oddly, people like to think the belief is a
civilizing influence, when the exact opposite is true: the most
heinous evils because generally accepted as legitimate and good
when done by a perceived "authority." Most people are utterly
incapable of viewing the world without their authority-colored
glasses dramatically twisting what they see. The belief in
"government," man-made "law," and "authority" in general, make most
people unable to see the literal truth of what is going on.
For years now the government and the media have been condemning the
evils of "terrorists." Who are they talking about? Well, if you use
the government's definition, a "terrorist" is one who uses
violence, or the threat of violence, to achieve a political end.
As many of you have heard by now, a collection of several vehicles,
apparently including an armed vehicle, filled with heavily armed
state and federal "law enforcement" personnel, was seen yesterday
heading towards the New Hampshire home of Ed and Elaine Brown. As I
understand it, those "authorities" have now laid seige to the
place, and cut the phone lines, but it sounds like there has been
no raid and no arrest as of yet. (Incidentally, I'm just getting
this from various internet posts, so don't expect me to have any
special inside info.) In one newspaper article, one of the "law
enforcement" personnel said that they had no intention whatsoever
of having a violent conflict with the Browns. Yeah, sure. I guess
they brought along the armored vehicle to do some fun off-roading
in their spare time.
Can anyone tell me, with a straight face, that the government is
NOT using violence, or the threat of violence, to achieve a
political end? Mr. and Mrs. Brown did not assault anyone, or rob
anyone, or defraud anyone. Their "sin" was to not pay the federal
terrorists their "protection" money, which (as far as I can tell)
the Browns had good reason to believe they didn't even "legally"
owe.
But whether a terrorist passes a "law" before committing his
violence makes no difference to whether his actions are righteous
or justified. Unfortunately, it does make a huge difference to
whether people PERCEIVE the actions as justified. If not for the
belief in "authority," any moron could see that the Browns are now
surrounded by a gang of terrorists. But when the terrorism is
"legal" (whatever that means), the vast majority of people suddenly
see the VICTIM as the bad guy, and the perpetrators as noble "law
enforcers."
There is one up-side to the current thuggery being used against the
Browns: it is happening in the open. Normally the terrorism
perpetrated by American "authorities" is only implied, which helps
people not think of it as terrorism. EVERY demand by government is
backed by the ability and willingness to use force, including
deadly force. Because most people comply long before such a threat
ever becomes blatant, we rarely see the true nature of the beast.
Only when people like the Browns refuse to comply with the veiled
threats dressed up as "requests" do we get to see the NON-veiled
threats, which show the true nature of the American terrorists.
If you want a taste of what lies behind the euphemism of American
"law enforcement," go rent "Waco: Rules of Engagement." These
people are murderers and terrorists. Behind their uniforms and
pretended legitimacy, they are despicable, power-happy, authority-
worshiping fascists, who will not hesitate to injure, torture, or
kill their fellow man if the "government" myth tells them to.
I very much hope that the Browns have a better end result than the
Branch Davidians did. One advantage they have is that a lot more
people are paying attention to what is really going on up there
(though it sounds like the terrorists, who like their sins to be
done in secret, have cut their phone lines).
It was only a few short years ago that I considered myself to be a
supporter of "law enforcement." After a few first-hand experiences
(a lot more tame than what the Browns are going through) showed me
who and what these people really are, I am proud to say that I will
forever be an enemy of the state, as any decent person should be.
You cannot be pro-government and anti-terrorism. The two are one in
the same.
Sincerely,
Larken Rose
www.larkenrose.com
You are a hopeless goon. You repeat anything such discredited
individuals as Rose display. You are totally gullible and without a
single critical cell in your head.
FK- Hide quoted text -
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Ad hominem.
Why don't you simply address ONE of his points?
Why bother? Your support of his work is enough for me. You are so
thoroughly a discredited fool that it is a totally acceptable maxim that
anything you support is total nonsense. There have been no exception to
date about your unerring ability to be taken in by utter nonsense. You
are without doubt the universal village idiot. Of course there have also
been your own forays into utter stupidity (e.g., the attempt to incite
a police officer into losing his cool). If for no other reason that
every item so far supported by you has been totally specious. All the
so-called science you support has to this day produced no example of
anything that can be supported by usable product to accomplish what you
claim others have proven. Political positions you take are almost
exclusively part of con games by others to sell products. You are a
helpless imbecile. Get help. You need psychiatric attention.
FK |
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Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2007 10:41 pm |
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On Jun 9, 5:51 pm, Fred Kasner <fkas...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Quote: knews4u2c...@yahoo.com wrote:
On Jun 9, 1:59 pm, Fred Kasner <fkas...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
knews4u2c...@yahoo.com wrote:
Dear Subscriber,
The belief in "authority" drastically warps the way most people
view reality. Oddly, people like to think the belief is a
civilizing influence, when the exact opposite is true: the most
heinous evils because generally accepted as legitimate and good
when done by a perceived "authority." Most people are utterly
incapable of viewing the world without their authority-colored
glasses dramatically twisting what they see. The belief in
"government," man-made "law," and "authority" in general, make most
people unable to see the literal truth of what is going on.
For years now the government and the media have been condemning the
evils of "terrorists." Who are they talking about? Well, if you use
the government's definition, a "terrorist" is one who uses
violence, or the threat of violence, to achieve a political end.
As many of you have heard by now, a collection of several vehicles,
apparently including an armed vehicle, filled with heavily armed
state and federal "law enforcement" personnel, was seen yesterday
heading towards the New Hampshire home of Ed and Elaine Brown. As I
understand it, those "authorities" have now laid seige to the
place, and cut the phone lines, but it sounds like there has been
no raid and no arrest as of yet. (Incidentally, I'm just getting
this from various internet posts, so don't expect me to have any
special inside info.) In one newspaper article, one of the "law
enforcement" personnel said that they had no intention whatsoever
of having a violent conflict with the Browns. Yeah, sure. I guess
they brought along the armored vehicle to do some fun off-roading
in their spare time.
Can anyone tell me, with a straight face, that the government is
NOT using violence, or the threat of violence, to achieve a
political end? Mr. and Mrs. Brown did not assault anyone, or rob
anyone, or defraud anyone. Their "sin" was to not pay the federal
terrorists their "protection" money, which (as far as I can tell)
the Browns had good reason to believe they didn't even "legally"
owe.
But whether a terrorist passes a "law" before committing his
violence makes no difference to whether his actions are righteous
or justified. Unfortunately, it does make a huge difference to
whether people PERCEIVE the actions as justified. If not for the
belief in "authority," any moron could see that the Browns are now
surrounded by a gang of terrorists. But when the terrorism is
"legal" (whatever that means), the vast majority of people suddenly
see the VICTIM as the bad guy, and the perpetrators as noble "law
enforcers."
There is one up-side to the current thuggery being used against the
Browns: it is happening in the open. Normally the terrorism
perpetrated by American "authorities" is only implied, which helps
people not think of it as terrorism. EVERY demand by government is
backed by the ability and willingness to use force, including
deadly force. Because most people comply long before such a threat
ever becomes blatant, we rarely see the true nature of the beast.
Only when people like the Browns refuse to comply with the veiled
threats dressed up as "requests" do we get to see the NON-veiled
threats, which show the true nature of the American terrorists.
If you want a taste of what lies behind the euphemism of American
"law enforcement," go rent "Waco: Rules of Engagement." These
people are murderers and terrorists. Behind their uniforms and
pretended legitimacy, they are despicable, power-happy, authority-
worshiping fascists, who will not hesitate to injure, torture, or
kill their fellow man if the "government" myth tells them to.
I very much hope that the Browns have a better end result than the
Branch Davidians did. One advantage they have is that a lot more
people are paying attention to what is really going on up there
(though it sounds like the terrorists, who like their sins to be
done in secret, have cut their phone lines).
It was only a few short years ago that I considered myself to be a
supporter of "law enforcement." After a few first-hand experiences
(a lot more tame than what the Browns are going through) showed me
who and what these people really are, I am proud to say that I will
forever be an enemy of the state, as any decent person should be.
You cannot be pro-government and anti-terrorism. The two are one in
the same.
Sincerely,
Larken Rose
www.larkenrose.com
You are a hopeless goon. You repeat anything such discredited
individuals as Rose display. You are totally gullible and without a
single critical cell in your head.
FK- Hide quoted text -
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Ad hominem.
Why don't you simply address ONE of his points?
Why bother? Your support of his work is enough for me. You are so
thoroughly a discredited fool that it is a totally acceptable maxim that
anything you support is total nonsense. There have been no exception to
date about your unerring ability to be taken in by utter nonsense. You
are without doubt the universal village idiot. Of course there have also
been your own forays into utter stupidity (e.g., the attempt to incite
a police officer into losing his cool). If for no other reason that
every item so far supported by you has been totally specious. All the
so-called science you support has to this day produced no example of
anything that can be supported by usable product to accomplish what you
claim others have proven. Political positions you take are almost
exclusively part of con games by others to sell products. You are a
helpless imbecile. Get help. You need psychiatric attention.
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What exactly does Rose sell besides his labor when not sitting in
prison for standing up for principle and truth?
Whose the goon?
Show me how the income tax as "advertised" is not a direct tax on the
exchange of labor which by law is to be apportioned?
Show me how I can sell my labor avoid it and still eat if it is not a
direct tax and is indirect which is by definition avoidable.
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On Jun 9, 4:01 pm, "Condor" <Con...@loosecannon.net> wrote:
Quote: There is one up-side to the current thuggery being used against the
Browns: it is happening in the open. Normally the terrorism
perpetrated by American "authorities" is only implied, which helps
people not think of it as terrorism. EVERY demand by government is
backed by the ability and willingness to use force, including
deadly force. Because most people comply long before such a threat
ever becomes blatant, we rarely see the true nature of the beast.
Only when people like the Browns refuse to comply with the veiled
threats dressed up as "requests" do we get to see the NON-veiled
threats, which show the true nature of the American terrorists.
President Bush should give his slumping approval ratings a boost by sending
the Browns and Paris Hilton to Gitmo where there are no taxes, no lawyers,
no Entertainment Tonight, and no habeas corpus.
Condor
I still don't get how the U.S. can completely cut off a country like
Cuba from all other political and business relations, yet be able keep
a prison camp there.
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Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2007 10:51 pm |
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On Jun 9, 4:01 pm, "Condor" <Con...@loosecannon.net> wrote:
Quote: There is one up-side to the current thuggery being used against the
Browns: it is happening in the open. Normally the terrorism
perpetrated by American "authorities" is only implied, which helps
people not think of it as terrorism. EVERY demand by government is
backed by the ability and willingness to use force, including
deadly force. Because most people comply long before such a threat
ever becomes blatant, we rarely see the true nature of the beast.
Only when people like the Browns refuse to comply with the veiled
threats dressed up as "requests" do we get to see the NON-veiled
threats, which show the true nature of the American terrorists.
President Bush should give his slumping approval ratings a boost by sending
the Browns and Paris Hilton to Gitmo where there are no taxes, no lawyers,
no Entertainment Tonight, and no habeas corpus.
Condor
There is'nt any habeas corpus in the U.S. either:
http://www.google.com/search?ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=habeas+corpus&sa=Search&domains=rense.com&sitesearch=rense.com
And you can kill all the lawyers and it wouldn't bother me,
so.......your point? |
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Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 12:32 am |
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"Fred Kasner" <fkasner@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:bWHai.14431$rO7.5828@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net...
Quote: knews4u2chew@yahoo.com wrote:
On Jun 9, 1:59 pm, Fred Kasner <fkas...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
knews4u2c...@yahoo.com wrote:
Dear Subscriber,
The belief in "authority" drastically warps the way most people
view reality. Oddly, people like to think the belief is a
civilizing influence, when the exact opposite is true: the most
heinous evils because generally accepted as legitimate and good
when done by a perceived "authority." Most people are utterly
incapable of viewing the world without their authority-colored
glasses dramatically twisting what they see. The belief in
"government," man-made "law," and "authority" in general, make most
people unable to see the literal truth of what is going on.
For years now the government and the media have been condemning the
evils of "terrorists." Who are they talking about? Well, if you use
the government's definition, a "terrorist" is one who uses
violence, or the threat of violence, to achieve a political end.
As many of you have heard by now, a collection of several vehicles,
apparently including an armed vehicle, filled with heavily armed
state and federal "law enforcement" personnel, was seen yesterday
heading towards the New Hampshire home of Ed and Elaine Brown. As I
understand it, those "authorities" have now laid seige to the
place, and cut the phone lines, but it sounds like there has been
no raid and no arrest as of yet. (Incidentally, I'm just getting
this from various internet posts, so don't expect me to have any
special inside info.) In one newspaper article, one of the "law
enforcement" personnel said that they had no intention whatsoever
of having a violent conflict with the Browns. Yeah, sure. I guess
they brought along the armored vehicle to do some fun off-roading
in their spare time.
Can anyone tell me, with a straight face, that the government is
NOT using violence, or the threat of violence, to achieve a
political end? Mr. and Mrs. Brown did not assault anyone, or rob
anyone, or defraud anyone. Their "sin" was to not pay the federal
terrorists their "protection" money, which (as far as I can tell)
the Browns had good reason to believe they didn't even "legally"
owe.
But whether a terrorist passes a "law" before committing his
violence makes no difference to whether his actions are righteous
or justified. Unfortunately, it does make a huge difference to
whether people PERCEIVE the actions as justified. If not for the
belief in "authority," any moron could see that the Browns are now
surrounded by a gang of terrorists. But when the terrorism is
"legal" (whatever that means), the vast majority of people suddenly
see the VICTIM as the bad guy, and the perpetrators as noble "law
enforcers."
There is one up-side to the current thuggery being used against the
Browns: it is happening in the open. Normally the terrorism
perpetrated by American "authorities" is only implied, which helps
people not think of it as terrorism. EVERY demand by government is
backed by the ability and willingness to use force, including
deadly force. Because most people comply long before such a threat
ever becomes blatant, we rarely see the true nature of the beast.
Only when people like the Browns refuse to comply with the veiled
threats dressed up as "requests" do we get to see the NON-veiled
threats, which show the true nature of the American terrorists.
If you want a taste of what lies behind the euphemism of American
"law enforcement," go rent "Waco: Rules of Engagement." These
people are murderers and terrorists. Behind their uniforms and
pretended legitimacy, they are despicable, power-happy, authority-
worshiping fascists, who will not hesitate to injure, torture, or
kill their fellow man if the "government" myth tells them to.
I very much hope that the Browns have a better end result than the
Branch Davidians did. One advantage they have is that a lot more
people are paying attention to what is really going on up there
(though it sounds like the terrorists, who like their sins to be
done in secret, have cut their phone lines).
It was only a few short years ago that I considered myself to be a
supporter of "law enforcement." After a few first-hand experiences
(a lot more tame than what the Browns are going through) showed me
who and what these people really are, I am proud to say that I will
forever be an enemy of the state, as any decent person should be.
You cannot be pro-government and anti-terrorism. The two are one in
the same.
Sincerely,
Larken Rose
www.larkenrose.com
You are a hopeless goon. You repeat anything such discredited
individuals as Rose display. You are totally gullible and without a
single critical cell in your head.
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Ad hominem.
Why don't you simply address ONE of his points?
Why bother? Your support of his work is enough for me. You are so
thoroughly a discredited fool that it is a totally acceptable maxim that
anything you support is total nonsense. There have been no exception to
date about your unerring ability to be taken in by utter nonsense. You are
without doubt the universal village idiot. Of course there have also been
your own forays into utter stupidity (e.g., the attempt to incite a police
officer into losing his cool). If for no other reason that every item so
far supported by you has been totally specious. All the so-called science
you support has to this day produced no example of anything that can be
supported by usable product to accomplish what you claim others have
proven. Political positions you take are almost exclusively part of con
games by others to sell products. You are a helpless imbecile. Get help.
You need psychiatric attention.
Another spineless asshole chimes in to proclaim his love of the all mighty
state.
Bye-bye, fuckwit.
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Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 1:26 pm |
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knews4u2chew@yahoo.com wrote:
Quote: On Jun 9, 5:51 pm, Fred Kasner <fkas...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
knews4u2c...@yahoo.com wrote:
On Jun 9, 1:59 pm, Fred Kasner <fkas...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
knews4u2c...@yahoo.com wrote:
Dear Subscriber,
The belief in "authority" drastically warps the way most people
view reality. Oddly, people like to think the belief is a
civilizing influence, when the exact opposite is true: the most
heinous evils because generally accepted as legitimate and good
when done by a perceived "authority." Most people are utterly
incapable of viewing the world without their authority-colored
glasses dramatically twisting what they see. The belief in
"government," man-made "law," and "authority" in general, make most
people unable to see the literal truth of what is going on.
For years now the government and the media have been condemning the
evils of "terrorists." Who are they talking about? Well, if you use
the government's definition, a "terrorist" is one who uses
violence, or the threat of violence, to achieve a political end.
As many of you have heard by now, a collection of several vehicles,
apparently including an armed vehicle, filled with heavily armed
state and federal "law enforcement" personnel, was seen yesterday
heading towards the New Hampshire home of Ed and Elaine Brown. As I
understand it, those "authorities" have now laid seige to the
place, and cut the phone lines, but it sounds like there has been
no raid and no arrest as of yet. (Incidentally, I'm just getting
this from various internet posts, so don't expect me to have any
special inside info.) In one newspaper article, one of the "law
enforcement" personnel said that they had no intention whatsoever
of having a violent conflict with the Browns. Yeah, sure. I guess
they brought along the armored vehicle to do some fun off-roading
in their spare time.
Can anyone tell me, with a straight face, that the government is
NOT using violence, or the threat of violence, to achieve a
political end? Mr. and Mrs. Brown did not assault anyone, or rob
anyone, or defraud anyone. Their "sin" was to not pay the federal
terrorists their "protection" money, which (as far as I can tell)
the Browns had good reason to believe they didn't even "legally"
owe.
But whether a terrorist passes a "law" before committing his
violence makes no difference to whether his actions are righteous
or justified. Unfortunately, it does make a huge difference to
whether people PERCEIVE the actions as justified. If not for the
belief in "authority," any moron could see that the Browns are now
surrounded by a gang of terrorists. But when the terrorism is
"legal" (whatever that means), the vast majority of people suddenly
see the VICTIM as the bad guy, and the perpetrators as noble "law
enforcers."
There is one up-side to the current thuggery being used against the
Browns: it is happening in the open. Normally the terrorism
perpetrated by American "authorities" is only implied, which helps
people not think of it as terrorism. EVERY demand by government is
backed by the ability and willingness to use force, including
deadly force. Because most people comply long before such a threat
ever becomes blatant, we rarely see the true nature of the beast.
Only when people like the Browns refuse to comply with the veiled
threats dressed up as "requests" do we get to see the NON-veiled
threats, which show the true nature of the American terrorists.
If you want a taste of what lies behind the euphemism of American
"law enforcement," go rent "Waco: Rules of Engagement." These
people are murderers and terrorists. Behind their uniforms and
pretended legitimacy, they are despicable, power-happy, authority-
worshiping fascists, who will not hesitate to injure, torture, or
kill their fellow man if the "government" myth tells them to.
I very much hope that the Browns have a better end result than the
Branch Davidians did. One advantage they have is that a lot more
people are paying attention to what is really going on up there
(though it sounds like the terrorists, who like their sins to be
done in secret, have cut their phone lines).
It was only a few short years ago that I considered myself to be a
supporter of "law enforcement." After a few first-hand experiences
(a lot more tame than what the Browns are going through) showed me
who and what these people really are, I am proud to say that I will
forever be an enemy of the state, as any decent person should be.
You cannot be pro-government and anti-terrorism. The two are one in
the same.
Sincerely,
Larken Rose
www.larkenrose.com
You are a hopeless goon. You repeat anything such discredited
individuals as Rose display. You are totally gullible and without a
single critical cell in your head.
FK- Hide quoted text -
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Ad hominem.
Why don't you simply address ONE of his points?
Why bother? Your support of his work is enough for me. You are so
thoroughly a discredited fool that it is a totally acceptable maxim that
anything you support is total nonsense. There have been no exception to
date about your unerring ability to be taken in by utter nonsense. You
are without doubt the universal village idiot. Of course there have also
been your own forays into utter stupidity (e.g., the attempt to incite
a police officer into losing his cool). If for no other reason that
every item so far supported by you has been totally specious. All the
so-called science you support has to this day produced no example of
anything that can be supported by usable product to accomplish what you
claim others have proven. Political positions you take are almost
exclusively part of con games by others to sell products. You are a
helpless imbecile. Get help. You need psychiatric attention.
FK- Hide quoted text -
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What exactly does Rose sell besides his labor when not sitting in
prison for standing up for principle and truth?
Whose the goon?
Show me how the income tax as "advertised" is not a direct tax on the
exchange of labor which by law is to be apportioned?
Show me how I can sell my labor avoid it and still eat if it is not a
direct tax and is indirect which is by definition avoidable.
Address the 1925 law like Rose requests of the "Professor."
I don't have to show you anything. The IRS and the circuit court of the
USA has dealt with that to my satisfaction. Rose is a convicted felon.
You are supporting a convicted felon and are too stupid to understand
how it destroys the tiniest bit of credibility you believe you retain.
Why wasn't Rose sent to one of those concentration camps you insisted
are ready all over the USA? You are one sick puppy. Get help. Try to
return to planet Earth and live a real life. Your so called labor is
worthless. I wouldn't hire you to pick up the droppings of my dog. You
would somehow or other screw that up also. Get help. Time is running out.
FK |
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Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 1:29 pm |
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knews4u2chew@yahoo.com wrote:
Quote: On Jun 9, 4:01 pm, "Condor" <Con...@loosecannon.net> wrote:
There is one up-side to the current thuggery being used against the
Browns: it is happening in the open. Normally the terrorism
perpetrated by American "authorities" is only implied, which helps
people not think of it as terrorism. EVERY demand by government is
backed by the ability and willingness to use force, including
deadly force. Because most people comply long before such a threat
ever becomes blatant, we rarely see the true nature of the beast.
Only when people like the Browns refuse to comply with the veiled
threats dressed up as "requests" do we get to see the NON-veiled
threats, which show the true nature of the American terrorists.
President Bush should give his slumping approval ratings a boost by sending
the Browns and Paris Hilton to Gitmo where there are no taxes, no lawyers,
no Entertainment Tonight, and no habeas corpus.
Condor
I still don't get how the U.S. can completely cut off a country like
Cuba from all other political and business relations, yet be able keep
a prison camp there.
Doesn't ANYONE wonder about this shit?
The USA has a long term lease on the Guantanamo base. Any attempt by the
Cuban government to fail to honor the lease would likely be viewed as an
act of war by the USA. The devastation of the Cuban economy would be
almost total if an air war were launched on Cuba by the USA. They know
this and do not fail to honor the lease. They don't even try to harass
the small garrison stationed there.
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Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 1:33 pm |
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knews4u2chew@yahoo.com wrote:
Quote: On Jun 9, 4:01 pm, "Condor" <Con...@loosecannon.net> wrote:
There is one up-side to the current thuggery being used against the
Browns: it is happening in the open. Normally the terrorism
perpetrated by American "authorities" is only implied, which helps
people not think of it as terrorism. EVERY demand by government is
backed by the ability and willingness to use force, including
deadly force. Because most people comply long before such a threat
ever becomes blatant, we rarely see the true nature of the beast.
Only when people like the Browns refuse to comply with the veiled
threats dressed up as "requests" do we get to see the NON-veiled
threats, which show the true nature of the American terrorists.
President Bush should give his slumping approval ratings a boost by sending
the Browns and Paris Hilton to Gitmo where there are no taxes, no lawyers,
no Entertainment Tonight, and no habeas corpus.
Condor
There is'nt any habeas corpus in the U.S. either:
http://www.google.com/search?ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=habeas+corpus&sa=Search&domains=rense.com&sitesearch=rense.com
And you can kill all the lawyers and it wouldn't bother me,
so.......your point?
For USA citizens there certainly is a habeas corpus. However those who
are not native born citizens have been abused and certainly denied
access to the courts for defense of their position, especially when they
are arrested outside the USA. The Supremes recently pointed out the
limitations of partial denial of habeas corpus on the part of the
government.
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