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| Matt Giwer |
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http://newsvote.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/6310173.stm
Frozen sea may harbour Mars life
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But he added: "The Holy Grail for astrobiologists is finding a living cell that
we can warm up, feed nutrients and reawaken for study.
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From my point of view he is looking for life he can kill by boiling to death.
Even though I have harbored that thought for Brad Guth for some time I find it
difficult to believe in light of evolution, assuming the Earth expression of it
is at work on Mars, that life did not adapt to the temperature.
Even for those who hold to our life is the only possible life idea against the
temperature of Mars must admit if life once evolved it cooling slowly in
geological terms, Maybe at worst it took a million years or 365x2x1000000
generations in earth days which are close enough to Martian days. At the least
we should be able to bring it back here and make our glaciers bloom. |
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| Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2007 1:00 pm |
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On Apr 14, 12:21 am, Matt Giwer <jul...@tampabay.REMover.rr.com>
wrote:
Quote: http://newsvote.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/6310173.stm
Frozen sea may harbour Mars life
...
But he added: "The Holy Grail for astrobiologists is finding a living cell that
we can warm up, feed nutrients and reawaken for study.
---
From my point of view he is looking for life he can kill by boiling to death.
Even though I have harbored that thought for Brad Guth for some time I find it
difficult to believe in light of evolution, assuming the Earth expression of it
is at work on Mars, that life did not adapt to the temperature.
Even for those who hold to our life is the only possible life idea against the
temperature of Mars must admit if life once evolved it cooling slowly in
geological terms, Maybe at worst it took a million years or 365x2x1000000
generations in earth days which are close enough to Martian days. At the least
we should be able to bring it back here and make our glaciers bloom.
Perhaps this second posing is the lucky charm, as my first reply as
supposedly accepted doesn't seems as having been added to this topic's
index.
I have no doubts that somewhere deep enough underground or cozy within
Mars ice that's covered by a healthy layer of dry-ice is still
providing a good enough environment for the likes of Martian diatoms
or whatever little forms of weird life to coexist. Thus the "Holy
Grail" of ET life is as you say, down to our uncovering a mere microbe
or spore of something from another planet or moon. But is that "Holy
Grail" worth all the decades plus trillions of such investment dollars
and euros, and is it otherwise worth our dying for?
Whereas the nearby life that's existing/coexisting on Venus may not
have been entirely of locally brewed evolution, but that of panspermia
and/or of simply hosting intelligent ETs doing their thing because, at
least the planetology of Venus itself is very much alive and kicking
like a newish evolved planetology of a mostly geothermally forced
environment should, with loads of local environment benefits including
near unlimited energy to burn (sort of speak). Of course, of whatever
intelligent life that's existing/coexisting on Venus would have to be
a little smarter than a hot rock, of which that hot rock is often
smarter than most of what this mostly anti-think-tank Usenet has to
offer.
As long as there's considerable time to work with, of gradually
adapting over thousands if not millions of generation cycles to the
hot or the cold, is what I'd call somewhat iffy but technically doable
by many forms of such randomly happenstance evolved life, or
especially if being expedited along by that of intelligent designed
life, such as having to more quickly adapt to changes in pressure or
the change in the available O2, or even surviving in spite of a near
lack of h2o. However, adapting the likes of DNA/RNA to cosmic and
solar radiation as being the case on Mars is perhaps asking much more
of most any surface or even near surface life than we know of, except
for other than extremely robust little spores and darn few other forms
of microbe life that's more survival intelligent than we'd thought
possible, or of whatever's well enough sequestered underground and/or
deep enough into a protective environment of ice that's getting those
nifty shield benefits.
Mars likely has some degree of remaining life to behold, and if we
spend enough hundreds of our hard earned billions or perhaps a spare
trillion here or there, plus utilized those horrific amounts of our
having to expend such to/from energy and unavoidably further polluting
our badly failing environment upon such efforts of safely locating and
dealing with such tough old Martian life, as such it should prove
rather interesting and even of some future benefit to perhapt the
upper most 0.01% of us humans on Earth, that is if nothing goes
terribly wrong that causes much of Earth's existing life to get
infected in any bad sort of way by Mars.
However, the notions of your "make our glaciers bloom" is not exactly
what I'd call safe interplanetary sex, whereas keeping Mars life off-
world seems the only viable alternative, at least until we manage to
prove beyond any reasonable double as to our knowing enough, as to
realizing of what we're doing that isn't going to cause more local
harm than good, and of that trial and error phase alone could take a
few extra spendy decades before turning whatever tough old Martian
life lose within our environment.
Smart Martians of any human like intelligence would long ago have gone
underground, or simply having left town while they could. The nearest
other planet being Earth seems rather likely as their next best home
away from home. However, at the time (say a billion years ago) Earth
might have looked extremely lethal to most any form of dry and cold
adapted life, and if you had or were otherwise given space travel
capability, why stop at Earth or for that matter any other such energy
limited planet that was so wet and salty?
Earth offers a mere 10% of it's surface as being sufficiently livable
by human standards, and perhaps as little as half of that much is
currently worth fighting over, and if by any chance you're Muslim or
perhaps of some other faith-based or physiological minority, as such
there's an even less chance of your surviving the wrath of others
claiming to being smarter or more entitled (even those of your own
kind having been known throughout recorded history to having put nice
folks on a stick, if not having you literally for their dinner).
In other words, Earth is not exactly an ET friendly planet, and as
such would more than likely have been on the old ET 'NO FLY' list,
which is perhaps better than our current status of their 'DON'T GO
ANYWHERE NEAR' list of taboos.
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Brad Guth |
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On Apr 14, 12:21 am, Matt Giwer <jul...@tampabay.REMover.rr.com>
wrote:
Quote: http://newsvote.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/6310173.stm
Frozen sea may harbour Mars life
...
But he added: "The Holy Grail for astrobiologists is finding a living cell that
we can warm up, feed nutrients and reawaken for study.
---
From my point of view he is looking for life he can kill by boiling to death.
Even though I have harbored that thought for Brad Guth for some time I find it
difficult to believe in light of evolution, assuming the Earth expression of it
is at work on Mars, that life did not adapt to the temperature.
Even for those who hold to our life is the only possible life idea against the
temperature of Mars must admit if life once evolved it cooling slowly in
geological terms, Maybe at worst it took a million years or 365x2x1000000
generations in earth days which are close enough to Martian days. At the least
we should be able to bring it back here and make our glaciers bloom.
Perhaps this second posing was the necessary lucky charm, as so often
my first reply reported as supposedly accepted by Usenet doesn't seem
as though having been added to this topic's index.
I have no doubts that somewhere deep enough underground or cozy within
Mars ice that's covered by a healthy layer of dry-ice is still
providing a good enough environment for the likes of Martian diatoms
or whatever little forms of weird life to coexist. Thus the "Holy
Grail" of ET life is as you say, down to our uncovering a mere microbe
or spore of something from another planet or moon. But is that "Holy
Grail" worth all the decades plus trillions of such investment dollars
and euros, and is it otherwise worth our dying for?
Whereas the nearby life that's existing/coexisting on Venus may not
have been entirely of locally brewed evolution, but that of panspermia
and/or of simply hosting intelligent ETs doing their thing because, at
least the planetology of Venus itself is very much alive and kicking
like a newish evolved planetology of a mostly geothermally forced
environment should, with loads of local environment benefits including
near unlimited energy to burn (sort of speak). Of course, of whatever
intelligent life that's existing/coexisting on Venus would have to be
a little smarter than a hot rock, of which that hot rock is often
smarter than most of what this mostly anti-think-tank Usenet has to
offer.
As long as there's considerable time to work with, of gradually
adapting over thousands if not millions of generation cycles to the
hot or the cold, is what I'd call somewhat iffy but technically doable
by many forms of such randomly happenstance evolved life, or
especially if being expedited along by that of intelligent designed
life, such as having to more quickly adapt to changes in pressure or
the change in the available O2, or even surviving in spite of a near
lack of h2o. However, adapting the likes of DNA/RNA to cosmic and
solar radiation as being the case on Mars is perhaps asking much more
of most any surface or even near surface life than we know of, except
for other than extremely robust little spores and darn few other forms
of microbe life that's more survival intelligent than we'd thought
possible, or of whatever's well enough sequestered underground and/or
deep enough into a protective environment of ice that's getting those
nifty shield benefits.
Mars likely has some degree of remaining life to behold, and if we
spend enough hundreds of our hard earned billions or perhaps a spare
trillion here or there, plus utilized those horrific amounts of our
having to expend such to/from energy and unavoidably further polluting
our badly failing environment upon such efforts of safely locating and
dealing with such tough old Martian life, as such it should prove
rather interesting and even of some future benefit to perhapt the
upper most 0.01% of us humans on Earth, that is if nothing goes
terribly wrong that causes much of Earth's existing life to get
infected in any bad sort of way by Mars.
However, the notions of your "make our glaciers bloom" is not exactly
what I'd call safe interplanetary sex, whereas keeping Mars life off-
world seems the only viable alternative, at least until we manage to
prove beyond any reasonable double as to our knowing enough, as to
realizing of what we're doing that isn't going to cause more local
harm than good, and of that trial and error phase alone could take a
few extra spendy decades before turning whatever tough old Martian
life lose within our environment.
Smart Martians of any human like intelligence would long ago have gone
underground, or simply having left town while they could. The nearest
other planet being Earth seems rather likely as their next best home
away from home. However, at the time (say a billion years ago) Earth
might have looked extremely lethal to most any form of dry and cold
adapted life, and if you had or were otherwise given space travel
capability, why stop at Earth or for that matter any other such energy
limited planet that was so wet and salty?
Earth offers a mere 10% of it's surface as being sufficiently livable
by human standards, and perhaps as little as half of that much is
currently worth fighting over, and if by any chance you're Muslim or
perhaps of some other faith-based or physiological minority, as such
there's an even less chance of your surviving the wrath of others
claiming to being smarter or more entitled (even those of your own
kind having been known throughout recorded history to having put nice
folks on a stick, if not having you literally for their dinner).
In other words, Earth is not exactly an ET friendly planet, and as
such would more than likely have been on the old ET 'NO FLY' list,
which is perhaps better than our current status of their 'DON'T GO
ANYWHERE NEAR' list of taboos.
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| Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2007 7:19 pm |
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On Apr 17, 11:23 pm, Matt Giwer <jul...@tampabay.REMover.rr.com>
Quote: You are an idiot. Go away.
What exactly is your silly Jewish anti-ET problem?
I guess if you think those frozen Mars microbes are rad-hard enough as
is, then obviously you must think human DNA/RNA is rad-hard enough for
walking moonsuit butt naked on our moon.
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