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| Chris |
Posted: Wed May 23, 2007 12:16 pm |
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Hi there,
One of our ex-battery hens is looking a bit sick, she is moving quite
slowly, wings drooping and tail lowered. She has done this several times
before and I assumed she was egg bound, funny thing is i've never managed to
get her to pass an egg but she has always recovered after a few days.
I've just felt around and under her vent and its far harder to the touch
than the other hens - some sort of pressure down there.
Surely if she was egg bound she would not recover as she has done in the
past without passing eggs. Any ideas what it might be and ways to help her?
Thanks in advance,
Chris (in the UK) |
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| Jill |
Posted: Wed May 23, 2007 4:16 pm |
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Chris wrote:
Quote: Hi there,
One of our ex-battery hens is looking a bit sick, she is moving quite
slowly, wings drooping and tail lowered. She has done this several
times before and I assumed she was egg bound, funny thing is i've
never managed to get her to pass an egg but she has always recovered
after a few days.
I've just felt around and under her vent and its far harder to the
touch than the other hens - some sort of pressure down there.
Surely if she was egg bound she would not recover as she has done in
the past without passing eggs. Any ideas what it might be and ways to
help her?
Thanks in advance,
Chris (in the UK)
Cancerous tumours are common in these birds, as is egg peritonitis [a
cracked egg inside]
;(
Is she passing anything?
Is she eating and drinking?
What condition is her comb?
If you can afford it, you might try the vet to see if a more anatomically
knowledgeable pair of hands can help you. At least you get an opinion on the
bird from first hand experience.
--
regards
Jill Bowis
Pure bred utility chickens and ducks
Housing; Equipment, Books, Videos, Gifts
Herbaceous; Herb and Alpine nursery
Working Holidays in Scotland
http://www.kintaline.co.uk |
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| Chris |
Posted: Wed May 23, 2007 4:41 pm |
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Quote: Chris wrote:
Hi there,
One of our ex-battery hens is looking a bit sick, she is moving quite
slowly, wings drooping and tail lowered. She has done this several
times before and I assumed she was egg bound, funny thing is i've
never managed to get her to pass an egg but she has always recovered
after a few days.
I've just felt around and under her vent and its far harder to the
touch than the other hens - some sort of pressure down there.
Surely if she was egg bound she would not recover as she has done in
the past without passing eggs. Any ideas what it might be and ways to
help her?
Thanks in advance,
Chris (in the UK)
Cancerous tumours are common in these birds, as is egg peritonitis [a
cracked egg inside]
;(
Is she passing anything?
Is she eating and drinking?
What condition is her comb?
If you can afford it, you might try the vet to see if a more anatomically
knowledgeable pair of hands can help you. At least you get an opinion on
the bird from first hand experience.
--
regards
Jill Bowis
Pure bred utility chickens and ducks
Housing; Equipment, Books, Videos, Gifts
Herbaceous; Herb and Alpine nursery
Working Holidays in Scotland
http://www.kintaline.co.uk
Jill,
Thanks for that.
She has had an episode similar to this several times over the last few
months - I have been treating it as if she was egg bound, not seen any eggs
etc passed but the hen just seemed to recover (i.e. back to normal). Most
recently she looked quite poorly, I thought I was going to loose her.
This time round i'm not sure about droppings as yet, i'll check in the
morning where she is roosting. Last time round she was passing watery dark
green and white droppings from memory - at least definitely not solid and
quite unlike normal. But they did return to normal when she recovered.
Nothing egg like though.
She is still eating and drinking but not with the usual vigour you would
expect.
Comb is quite firm but last time turned a little darker than normal and
possibly a little shrunken (dehydration?)
I noticed this time how bulbous her abdomen looks and how firm it is
compared to our other healthy hens.
I was thinking about the possibility of tumours but if that were the case I
wouldn't expect her to 'recover'?
I have also done a little internal exam with a latex glove and some oil to
make things easier, I couldn't feel any obstructions of any kind at least
most of the length of my little finger! She didn't complain too much about
it either so it couldn't have been painful.
Yes I think our local vet may be the best option - although they don't seem
that knowledgeable about hens.
Chris. |
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Posted: Wed May 23, 2007 5:11 pm |
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Posted: Wed May 23, 2007 5:53 pm |
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Chris wrote:
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This time round i'm not sure about droppings as yet,
Can you isolate her with food and water so you know what she is actually
eating and drinking and producing?
Quote:
Comb is quite firm but last time turned a little darker than normal
and possibly a little shrunken (dehydration?)
Can indicate internal problems - strain on heart.
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I noticed this time how bulbous her abdomen looks and how firm it is
compared to our other healthy hens.
I was thinking about the possibility of tumours but if that were the
case I wouldn't expect her to 'recover'?
If the ones were in places where it was less physiologically critical it can
happen
[having supported a friend through terminal cancer here last winter I know
it can be surprising how much they can rally just before the end]
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I have also done a little internal exam with a latex glove and some
oil to make things easier, I couldn't feel any obstructions of any
kind at least most of the length of my little finger! She didn't
complain too much about it either so it couldn't have been painful.
Yes I think our local vet may be the best option - although they
don't seem that knowledgeable about hens.
I know -- its a shame. We are doing our best with the generations to come.
We have about 40 vet student weeks here this year.
They all leave with a clear understanding that chooks and dooks are as
important as bunnys and puddy cats<grin>
Its a shame so many are from overseas !!!!
--
regards
Jill Bowis
Pure bred utility chickens and ducks
Housing; Equipment, Books, Videos, Gifts
Herbaceous; Herb and Alpine nursery
Working Holidays in Scotland
http://www.kintaline.co.uk
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Posted: Thu May 24, 2007 2:06 pm |
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Jill, thanks for your advice.
We took her to the vet today, he wasn't all that clear but appeared to agree
with the diagnosis. He didn't perform any surgery but sent us away with
antibiotics.
The hen looks a little better today but i'm not sure that's going to last.
Anyhow fingers crossed.
Thanks again,
Chris. |
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| Christina Websell |
Posted: Thu May 24, 2007 2:57 pm |
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"Chris" <chris@pleasenospamprosser99.plus.com> wrote in message
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Quote: Jill, thanks for your advice.
We took her to the vet today, he wasn't all that clear but appeared to
agree with the diagnosis. He didn't perform any surgery but sent us away
with antibiotics.
The hen looks a little better today but i'm not sure that's going to last.
Anyhow fingers crossed.
Thanks again.
The problem with hybrids is that they lay themselves to death. I started
with hybrids as most of us do, but egg peritonitis made me get pure breeds.
Okay, hybrids give you a lot of eggs all at once and then die. I prefer to
have mine live 10 years and give me eggs in the spring and summer and early
autumn. It's all right with me if they have a rest in the winter.
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| Jill |
Posted: Thu May 24, 2007 3:02 pm |
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Chris wrote:
Quote: Jill, thanks for your advice.
We took her to the vet today, he wasn't all that clear but appeared
to agree with the diagnosis. He didn't perform any surgery but sent
us away with antibiotics.
The hen looks a little better today but i'm not sure that's going to
last. Anyhow fingers crossed.
Thanks again,
Chris.
You are giving her the best chance.
My only advice now is to look at quality above quantity and if she starts to
decline to do the decent thing rather than ignore it.
Good luck and hope she rallies
--
regards
Jill Bowis
Pure bred utility chickens and ducks
Housing; Equipment, Books, Videos, Gifts
Herbaceous; Herb and Alpine nursery
Working Holidays in Scotland
http://www.kintaline.co.uk |
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| Chris Prosser |
Posted: Fri May 25, 2007 2:07 am |
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"Chris" <chris@pleasenospamprosser99.plus.com> wrote in message
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Jill, thanks for your advice.
We took her to the vet today, he wasn't all that clear but appeared to
agree with the diagnosis. He didn't perform any surgery but sent us away
with antibiotics.
The hen looks a little better today but i'm not sure that's going to
last. Anyhow fingers crossed.
Thanks again.
The problem with hybrids is that they lay themselves to death. I started
with hybrids as most of us do, but egg peritonitis made me get pure
breeds. Okay, hybrids give you a lot of eggs all at once and then die. I
prefer to have mine live 10 years and give me eggs in the spring and
summer and early autumn. It's all right with me if they have a rest in
the winter.
Tina
Yes, I see what you mean ... however, remember these are ex-battery so
giving them a couple of stress free free-range years at the end of their
life is surely a good thing? Maybe you dont agree? I'm sure the group could
debate this one for days!
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Posted: Fri May 25, 2007 2:10 am |
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"Jill" <news@NOSPAMkintaline.co.uk> wrote in message
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Quote: Chris wrote:
Jill, thanks for your advice.
We took her to the vet today, he wasn't all that clear but appeared
to agree with the diagnosis. He didn't perform any surgery but sent
us away with antibiotics.
The hen looks a little better today but i'm not sure that's going to
last. Anyhow fingers crossed.
Thanks again,
Chris.
You are giving her the best chance.
My only advice now is to look at quality above quantity and if she starts
to decline to do the decent thing rather than ignore it.
Good luck and hope she rallies
regards
Jill Bowis
Yep - will give it our best shot over the next few days. She is walking
around the grass (slowly) looking for insects at the moment, so not looking
too bad. Keep your fingers crossed.
Yes, if she is suffering its the only thing to do.
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Posted: Fri May 25, 2007 2:34 am |
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Chris Prosser wrote:
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Yes, I see what you mean ... however, remember these are ex-battery so
giving them a couple of stress free free-range years at the end of
their life is surely a good thing? Maybe you dont agree? I'm sure the
group could debate this one for days!
We have
<grin>
--
regards
Jill Bowis
Pure bred utility chickens and ducks
Housing; Equipment, Books, Videos, Gifts
Herbaceous; Herb and Alpine nursery
Working Holidays in Scotland
http://www.kintaline.co.uk |
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Posted: Fri May 25, 2007 2:52 am |
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"Jill" <news@NOSPAMkintaline.co.uk> wrote in message
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Quote: Chris Prosser wrote:
Yes, I see what you mean ... however, remember these are ex-battery so
giving them a couple of stress free free-range years at the end of
their life is surely a good thing? Maybe you dont agree? I'm sure the
group could debate this one for days!
We have
grin
--
regards
Jill Bowis
Pure bred utility chickens and ducks
Housing; Equipment, Books, Videos, Gifts
Herbaceous; Herb and Alpine nursery
Working Holidays in Scotland
http://www.kintaline.co.uk
Is there a recent thread or can you summarise the feeling?
I guess in an ideal world no one would buy battery (or barn) eggs or meat
and the issue wouldn't arise ... but until then i'm lucky enough to have
enough garden to divide off an ample section for half a dozen ex-battery
ladies. They love it - doing all the things chickens should :-)
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| Jill |
Posted: Fri May 25, 2007 3:27 am |
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Chris Prosser wrote:
Quote: Is there a recent thread or can you summarise the feeling?
Groups.google.com sci.agriculture.poultry
There are as many opinions as people!
I will play devils advocate for you tho! this is based on many years
experience, research into all sectors of the industry, keeping several
hundred birds and raising several hundreds more each year, and spending much
of every day helping people with backyard birds in and out of many
situations.
Quote: I guess in an ideal world no one would buy battery (or barn) eggs or
meat and the issue wouldn't arise ..
Why?
There is just as much poor husbandry in backyard flocks and in free range
flocks
There is greater disease threats and challenges outside.
They have to cope with weather, other chickens which are pretty horrid to
each other, wild birds, and fluctuating diet.
Very few backyard setups are ideal for birds
-- too little space [chickens will travel over an area of 100 - 200
metres in any direction with ease daily given the choice. If given the space
and other birds then their natural aggression shows once again, chickens can
be evil to each other.]
-- too little shelter [one henhouse that is at capacity for roosting is
not adequate in our climate]
-- too poor a diet [fortunately feed scraps is now not legal but even so
many humans insist on feeding a "natural" grain diet to birds who are
desparately trying to produce eggs on a input that is far too low in
protein and essential minerals etc]
-- etc
Inside they have constant light cycle, constant good food and water, ambient
temperature, known companions, and stringent disease control.
Commercial hybrids have been bred by Man to be strong layers for 2 years.
The costs of this selection is poor feathering, poor disease resistance,
poor shell quality.
The benefits are extreme docility and high efficiency, but high demands to
do it well.
They are bred to be indoors. They will never have the quality of the
feathering that pure breeds or the likes of Black Rocks have, however often
they moult so they will always be struggling against our weather
They are reared indoors so they go through periods of great stress when put
outside for the first time after 2 years. Many "rescues" do not make it past
the first weeks.
There are 40 million hens in battery production in this country at any one
time.
There are much better birds for backyards being produced by breeders who
have selected for the features that make birds who can cope with the adverse
conditions of being outside in the UK climate and the vagaries of the
backyard keeper.
Being outside is not all that its cracked up to be for a chicken, a battery
bird has not one iota of a concept that it even exists.
More "rescued" battery birds die an agonising death of peritonitis or
cancers with the inexperienced owners looking on at poor Henrietta who was
just a bit quiet for a week or so.
It is a complex topic but if you think like a chicken instead of like a
human then one's perspective alters.
;)
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regards
Jill Bowis
Pure bred utility chickens and ducks
Housing; Equipment, Books, Videos, Gifts
Herbaceous; Herb and Alpine nursery
Working Holidays in Scotland
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| Christina Websell |
Posted: Fri May 25, 2007 4:32 pm |
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Jill, thanks for your advice.
We took her to the vet today, he wasn't all that clear but appeared to
agree with the diagnosis. He didn't perform any surgery but sent us away
with antibiotics.
The hen looks a little better today but i'm not sure that's going to
last. Anyhow fingers crossed.
Thanks again.
The problem with hybrids is that they lay themselves to death. I started
with hybrids as most of us do, but egg peritonitis made me get pure
breeds. Okay, hybrids give you a lot of eggs all at once and then die. I
prefer to have mine live 10 years and give me eggs in the spring and
summer and early autumn. It's all right with me if they have a rest in
the winter.
Tina
Yes, I see what you mean ... however, remember these are ex-battery so
giving them a couple of stress free free-range years at the end of their
life is surely a good thing? Maybe you dont agree? I'm sure the group
could debate this one for days!
Yes, it's a good thing to do this. I found that I got upset that most of
them died of egg peritonitis in a couple of years and that's why I switched
to pure breeds. They do not lay like the hybrids, true, and they take all
winter off as I do not use artificial light, but I like having them live 10+
years.
Tina |
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