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| Professor |
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Greeting's to all
My name is Samuel but I return message's to my nickname of professor
I live in Juneau, Ak I am a retired history professor.
Ive lived here in Juneau for about 20 yrs and as I have had somwhat
extensively
traveled some of this planet I havent found any place better to
live...
Juneau is landlocked and this means the only way out of here is by
boat or plane
/or the Internet (smile's)
I do love archeolgy, Palentology, as well as responsible and educated
phylosophy |
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| Day Brown |
| Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 3:45 pm |
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On Mar 27, 2:12 pm, "Professor" <slprofes...@gmail.com> wrote:
Quote: Greeting's to all
My name is Samuel but I return message's to my nickname of professor
I live in Juneau, Ak I am a retired history professor.
Welcome.
Do you know of anyone diving to search for now submerged stone age
habitation sites?
I've read of stone points being dredged up off the AK coast.... |
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| Professor |
| Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 6:20 pm |
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On Mar 27, 12:45 pm, "Day Brown" <daybr...@hughes.net> wrote:
Quote: On Mar 27, 2:12 pm, "Professor" <slprofes...@gmail.com> wrote:> Greeting's to all
My name is Samuel but I return message's to my nickname of professor
I live in Juneau, Ak I am a retired history professor.
Welcome.
Do you know of anyone diving to search for now submerged stone age
habitation sites?
I've read of stone points being dredged up off the AK coast....
I do so try and keep up with headlines as this
But as you may or may not know Alaska is twice as big as Texas
and so I am not in this as yet but perhaps this will help...
http://www.uaf.edu/geology/Research/research/paleo.html
try this addy as It is one of my favs. |
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| Roger Bagula |
| Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2007 10:25 am |
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Professor wrote:
Quote: On Mar 27, 12:45 pm, "Day Brown" <daybr...@hughes.net> wrote:
I do so try and keep up with headlines as this
But as you may or may not know Alaska is twice as big as Texas
and so I am not in this as yet but perhaps this will help...
http://www.uaf.edu/geology/Research/research/paleo.html
try this addy as It is one of my favs.
I think what Day Brown was getting at
is that during the ice age the coast line recedes outward/downward as
the ice uses up the
ocean's water. The recent Texas work showed:
Quote: the scientists
did find what they believe to be signs of the ancient shoreline about
330 feet below the ocean's surface.
If that was uniform for the Atlantic as well as the Pacific oceans,
then their should be relatively well preserved coastal fishing villages
down 330 ft
even in Alaska.
This kind of research seems to be the hot topic of underwater archeology
these days. |
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| Day Brown |
| Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2007 3:11 pm |
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On Mar 28, 9:25 am, Roger Bagula <rlbag...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Quote: This kind of research seems to be the hot topic of underwater archeology
these days.
Agreed, but I find it curious that there's been so little to go on.
They've been posting about ships in the bottom of the Black Sea,
exciting because the anerobic conditions even preserved the rigging,
but other than Ballard's somewhat ambiguous report off Sinope, nothing
about any habitation sites.
Whether Ryan & Pitman's report in "Noah's Flood" is accurrate or not,
the ocean & sea levels have risen since structures were invented, and
some awta be there where rivers meet the sea, lake, or whatever. Are
they too stupid to look, to follow the now submerged river channels to
ancient coastlines, or have they looked, but not found anything, and
so did not report what they didnt find.
At the very least, there'd be midden piles off the Alaskan coast, that
mite even have charcoal allowing them to be dated, and settle a lotta
the issues about Clovis. And if not, then there'd be midden piles of
bones along the stipulated ice free corridor thru Canada where rivers
fork. Even if they didnt have canoes, during the winter, the rivers
made nice flat roads you could drag sleds of meat on back to the
village, and never get lost in a blizzard. There are six such forks
within 20 miles Ft. McMurry. Wouldda been Fat City.
Anybody looked? Not far as I can tell. People would rather rant. |
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| pete |
| Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2007 4:53 pm |
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In sci.anthropology.paleo, on 28 Mar 2007 13:11:49 -0700, Day Brown
<daybrown@hughes.net> sez:
Quote: On Mar 28, 9:25 am, Roger Bagula <rlbag...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
This kind of research seems to be the hot topic of underwater archeology
these days.
Agreed, but I find it curious that there's been so little to go on.
They've been posting about ships in the bottom of the Black Sea,
exciting because the anerobic conditions even preserved the rigging,
but other than Ballard's somewhat ambiguous report off Sinope, nothing
about any habitation sites.
Whether Ryan & Pitman's report in "Noah's Flood" is accurrate or not,
the ocean & sea levels have risen since structures were invented, and
some awta be there where rivers meet the sea, lake, or whatever. Are
they too stupid to look, to follow the now submerged river channels to
ancient coastlines, or have they looked, but not found anything, and
so did not report what they didnt find.
It's ongoing, but there's not a lot of budget for paleoarchaeology
in north america, and underwater work is quite expensive and
eats up the meager funding quite quickly compared to above
ground work, so people aren't in a big hurry to move to it,
despite the obvious indications that this is where the hot
stuff is to be found. I am surprised that there isn't a
goldrush of europeans to the Black Sea, as there is a mature
underwater skillbase there, but it probably has to do with
most of the work that has been done in the Med having been
fortuitous discoveries at shallow depths, while the probable
depths of stuff in the Black Sea is in the order of 50-100m,
which is a somewhat more advanced skillset.
Quote: At the very least, there'd be midden piles off the Alaskan coast, that
mite even have charcoal allowing them to be dated, and settle a lotta
the issues about Clovis. And if not, then there'd be midden piles of
bones along the stipulated ice free corridor thru Canada where rivers
fork. Even if they didnt have canoes, during the winter, the rivers
made nice flat roads you could drag sleds of meat on back to the
village, and never get lost in a blizzard. There are six such forks
within 20 miles Ft. McMurry. Wouldda been Fat City.
Anybody looked? Not far as I can tell. People would rather rant.
Here's a better link for what's going on out of UAFairbanks:
http://www.uaf.edu/anthro/field.html
Note that in BC, the University of Northern BC is quite new,
just 10y old, but it's well situated to move into that
region.
http://www.unbc.ca/anthropology/field_schools.html
They have a small faculty, but it contains one active
paleoarchaeologist who seems so far to have been focused
on the central coast. I suppose he would be more likely
to pursue underwater archaeology than looking at river
valleys on the eastern slope, but this summer's field
school is slated for the central interior, site not yet
announced.
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vincent@triumf[munge].ca Pete Vincent
Disclaimer: all I know I learned from reading Usenet. |
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