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Amatus Cremona
Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 6:11 am
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If there was only a verbal contract,,,,, yes he can. If you have a written
contract signed by you and him, then, no he cannot. (Assuming I understand
contract law properly).

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Amatus

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"secox via MedKB.com" <u32599@uwe> wrote in message
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no the prcedure was done in August.I had no problem with the fee,it's when
I
am expecting $3500.00 and get a bill for $7500.00 without any (as you say)
communication.Again this is out of my pocket,after the insurance paid
there
part.My entire question was based on can a dentist do what he did without
talking to me first..

Amatus Cremona wrote:
"Sued" ?>?>?>???? I thought the work was just started?

There is definately a breakdown in communication. This is the biggest
problem in any relationship between humans. Why and how the difference
comes up, I cannot comment on since I don't know.

My normal fee for such a procedure would be roughly one thousand dollars
for
every tooth being crowned or replaced with the bridge. So, the fee you
have
sounds cheap to me.

Sometimes we get surprised in the middle of treatment, but I would think
a
treatment plan of this size would be carefully reviewed prior to
beginning
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then
what was talked about.I am now being sued by this dentist for the
balance.

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Steven Fawks
Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 7:25 am
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While I am not an attorney, I think oral contracts can be binding in
some cases (just might be hard to prove).

Of course, if the 'contract' was for 6 units of crown and bridge,
and the patient ended up with 12 units of crown and bridge, that
was not in the original oral agreement and the original oral
agreement might be void at that moment.

We have all had to alter treatment plans in the middle of a case.
However, I always try to prepare the patient for such an eventuality.
*Most* borderline situations are evident before treatment is begun.
I then tell patients the estimates if everything goes perfectly,
and I tell them how much more it will cost if x,y, or z happens.

Any treatment more than a few fillings, should have a clear, written
estimate that the patient can understand. Surprises like this should
not occur.

Steve

Amatus Cremona wrote:
Quote:
If there was only a verbal contract,,,,, yes he can. If you have a written
contract signed by you and him, then, no he cannot. (Assuming I understand
contract law properly).
secox via MedKB.com
Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 6:47 pm
Guest
All I have is the original estimate the office manager filled out showing
what the dentist was going to do.This was right after the x-rays and the oral
exam.The office manager was going by what the dentist had given to her.This
is when I was given te first and only out of pocket payment.There was NO
discussion relating to ant other work.

Steven Fawks wrote:
Quote:
While I am not an attorney, I think oral contracts can be binding in
some cases (just might be hard to prove).

Of course, if the 'contract' was for 6 units of crown and bridge,
and the patient ended up with 12 units of crown and bridge, that
was not in the original oral agreement and the original oral
agreement might be void at that moment.

We have all had to alter treatment plans in the middle of a case.
However, I always try to prepare the patient for such an eventuality.
*Most* borderline situations are evident before treatment is begun.
I then tell patients the estimates if everything goes perfectly,
and I tell them how much more it will cost if x,y, or z happens.

Any treatment more than a few fillings, should have a clear, written
estimate that the patient can understand. Surprises like this should
not occur.

Steve

If there was only a verbal contract,,,,, yes he can. If you have a written
contract signed by you and him, then, no he cannot. (Assuming I understand
contract law properly).

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Guest
Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2007 8:51 pm
The dentists replying to this thread seem to be ignoring the obvious.
To extract teeth without the patient's permission, without prior
informed consent, without informing that patient at all, as this
patient suggests, is considered a big no-no in dentistry.
Technically, a case can be made for the dentist committing assault and
battery. On top of this, the dentist, is according to the patient is
slamming the patient with an extra $4,000 charge. Maybe the patient
liked those teeth the dentist ripped out. Maybe the patient had other
financial priorities in mind besides coughing up an extra $4,000 for
teeth. Maybe he wanted to buy a big flat screen TV instead. What
right does the dentist have to rip out the guy's body parts without
express informed consent (written) along with a (written) plan of how
much $$$ the guy would need to fork over?
Amatus Cremona
Posted: Sun Mar 25, 2007 8:55 am
Guest
Nope, the OP is only complaining about the cost.

There has been no clear statement about whether or not there was any sort of
informed consent on extra extractions. You are not being fair or
considerate in your assumption.


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Quote:
The dentists replying to this thread seem to be ignoring the obvious.
To extract teeth without the patient's permission, without prior
informed consent, without informing that patient at all, as this
patient suggests, is considered a big no-no in dentistry.
Technically, a case can be made for the dentist committing assault and
battery. On top of this, the dentist, is according to the patient is
slamming the patient with an extra $4,000 charge. Maybe the patient
liked those teeth the dentist ripped out. Maybe the patient had other
financial priorities in mind besides coughing up an extra $4,000 for
teeth. Maybe he wanted to buy a big flat screen TV instead. What
right does the dentist have to rip out the guy's body parts without
express informed consent (written) along with a (written) plan of how
much $$$ the guy would need to fork over?
secox via MedKB.com
Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 6:52 pm
Guest
You are the first person to admit that something is not right here.

mamounjo3@yahoo.com wrote:
Quote:
The dentists replying to this thread seem to be ignoring the obvious.
To extract teeth without the patient's permission, without prior
informed consent, without informing that patient at all, as this
patient suggests, is considered a big no-no in dentistry.
Technically, a case can be made for the dentist committing assault and
battery. On top of this, the dentist, is according to the patient is
slamming the patient with an extra $4,000 charge. Maybe the patient
liked those teeth the dentist ripped out. Maybe the patient had other
financial priorities in mind besides coughing up an extra $4,000 for
teeth. Maybe he wanted to buy a big flat screen TV instead. What
right does the dentist have to rip out the guy's body parts without
express informed consent (written) along with a (written) plan of how
much $$$ the guy would need to fork over?

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secox via MedKB.com
Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 7:10 pm
Guest
Yes I am talking about cost.The dentist as I have stated before had NO
written or oral consecnt to pull the extra teeth.The only written agreement
for the 5 teeth to be pulled.And for the amout of $3500.00.Again the dentist
pulled the extra teeth ON HIS OWN ACCORD.And then billed me for the extra
work
Amatus Cremona wrote:
Quote:
Nope, the OP is only complaining about the cost.

There has been no clear statement about whether or not there was any sort of
informed consent on extra extractions. You are not being fair or
considerate in your assumption.

The dentists replying to this thread seem to be ignoring the obvious.
To extract teeth without the patient's permission, without prior
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express informed consent (written) along with a (written) plan of how
much $$$ the guy would need to fork over?

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Amatus Cremona
Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 6:13 am
Guest
Please forgive us, but there is no way to comment on your specific case
without more detail about what exactly was done, what the diagnosis was,
what the anticipated outcome was, etc.

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Amatus

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"secox via MedKB.com" <u32599@uwe> wrote in message
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Quote:
Yes I am talking about cost.The dentist as I have stated before had NO
written or oral consecnt to pull the extra teeth.The only written
agreement
for the 5 teeth to be pulled.And for the amout of $3500.00.Again the
dentist
pulled the extra teeth ON HIS OWN ACCORD.And then billed me for the extra
work
Amatus Cremona wrote:
Nope, the OP is only complaining about the cost.

There has been no clear statement about whether or not there was any sort
of
informed consent on extra extractions. You are not being fair or
considerate in your assumption.

The dentists replying to this thread seem to be ignoring the obvious.
To extract teeth without the patient's permission, without prior
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
express informed consent (written) along with a (written) plan of how
much $$$ the guy would need to fork over?

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