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Citizen Bob
Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 9:28 am
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On Fri, 09 Mar 2007 09:46:43 +0100, =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Jan_Vorbr=FCggen?=
<jvorbrueggen@not-mediasec.de> wrote:

Quote:
Although Beethoven was born in Germany, he studied and wrote music
after he went to Vienna.

Incorrect.

You are right. His first music teacher was his father in Germany.

However, "His first works with opus numbers, a set of three piano
trios, appeared in 1795." That's when he was in Vienna.

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Ludwig van Beethoven
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Born in Bonn, Germany, he moved to Vienna, Austria, in his early
twenties, and settled there, studying with Joseph Haydn and quickly
gaining a reputation as a virtuoso pianist. In his late twenties he
began to lose his hearing gradually, and yet he continued to produce
notable masterpieces throughout his life, even when his deafness was
almost total. Beethoven was one of the first composers who worked as a
freelance - arranging subscription concerts, selling his compositions
to publishers, and gaining financial support from a number of wealthy
patrons - rather than being permanently employed by the church or by
an aristocratic court.

Beethoven's first music teacher was his father, a musician in the
Electoral court at Bonn. His first important teacher was Christian
Gottlob Neefe. In 1787 young Beethoven traveled to Vienna for the
first time, where he may have met and played for Mozart. He was forced
to return home because his mother was dying of tuberculosis.
Beethoven's mother died when he was 16, shortly followed by his
sister, and for several years he was responsible for raising his two
younger brothers because of his father's worsening alcoholism.

Beethoven moved to Vienna in 1792, where he studied for a time with
Joseph Haydn, though he had wanted to study with Wolfgang Amadeus
Mozart, who had died the previous year. He received additional
instruction from Johann Georg Albrechtsberger (Vienna's preeminent
counterpoint instructor), and Antonio Salieri. Beethoven immediately
established a reputation as a piano virtuoso. His first works with
opus numbers, a set of three piano trios, appeared in 1795. He settled
into the career pattern he would follow for the remainder of his life:
rather than working for the church or a noble court (as most composers
before him had done), he supported himself through a combination of
annual stipends or single gifts from members of the aristocracy,
income from subscription concerts, concerts, and lessons, and proceeds
from sales of his works.


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"I believe that any man who takes the liberty of another
into his keeping is bound to become a tyrant, and that
any man who yields up his liberty, in however slight the
measure, is bound to become a slave."
--H. L. Mencken
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Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 10:05 am
On Mar 9, 2:28 pm, s...@uce.gov (Citizen Bob) wrote:
Quote:
On Fri, 09 Mar 2007 09:46:43 +0100, =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Jan_Vorbr=FCggen?=

jvorbrueg...@not-mediasec.de> wrote:
Although Beethoven was born in Germany, he studied and wrote music
after he went to Vienna.
Incorrect.

You are right. His first music teacher was his father in Germany.

However, "His first works with opus numbers, a set of three piano
trios, appeared in 1795." That's when he was in Vienna.


To be fair, the whole "lampshade and gloves" side of things was an
Austrian's idea too..
Citizen Bob
Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 1:03 pm
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Guest
Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2007 5:20 am
On 9 Mar, 18:03, s...@uce.gov (Citizen Bob) wrote:
Quote:
On 9 Mar 2007 06:05:08 -0800, parri...@yahoo.com wrote:

the whole "lampshade and gloves" side of things was an
Austrian's idea too..

Whose idea was it?

Well, "lampshades and gloves" is a bit of hyperbole, but I believe a
certain Mr A. HItler did in fact hail from Austria rather than
Germany.


Quote:

--

"I believe that any man who takes the liberty of another
into his keeping is bound to become a tyrant, and that
any man who yields up his liberty, in however slight the
measure, is bound to become a slave."
--H. L. Mencken
 
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