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Judity

Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2007 10:36 am

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CNN is spotlighting a church where sex sermons are going on. That
doesn't bother me, but what is being said does.

The sermons stress that single people shouldn't have sex while married
men and women should enjoy it. Okay, so far it's not too offensive,
even though I don't agree with him. Being single all my life, I
believed I could have sex AND enjoy it.

HOWEVER, he is saying that GOD said this so it has to be so. GOD said
it????????????????????

Now, that's what bothers me about some religions, Christianity
included. Do any of you really believe that GOD actually tells these
ministers and priests and rabbis, etc. what their congregations should
be doing?

My temper is cooled off a bit, but I've always felt only Mum could
tell me what to do with my life, and even then I hardly ever listened
to her. Some stranger is going to tell me what I can or can't do with
my own body? I don't think so!

ARGH! Guess my temper isn't as cool as I thought yet.

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Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2007 2:36 pm

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Judity wrote:

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CNN is spotlighting a church where sex sermons are going on. That
doesn't bother me, but what is being said does.

Why do you care?

RaeMorrill

Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2007 2:53 pm

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LizzieB. Wrote:

Quote:

Judity wrote:

CNN is spotlighting a church where sex sermons are going on. That
doesn't bother me, but what is being said does.

Why do you care?
Then wasn't Ted Haggard asking the men how often their wives had

orgasms? Not sure if it was in church or not, but I did see him say
pretty much that while being interviewed. Seems a bit perverted to me
for a minister to be asking those kinds of questions.

--
RaeMorrill

Susan Mitchell

Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2007 4:53 pm

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Don't we hand out lithium to those who hear God telling them things like,
kill your kids, etc. Oh, that's right not if it's called religion and you
get money for it and have your lemmings!

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LizzieB.

Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2007 5:34 pm

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RaeMorrill wrote:

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Then wasn't Ted Haggard asking the men how often their wives had
orgasms? Not sure if it was in church or not, but I did see him say
pretty much that while being interviewed. Seems a bit perverted to me
for a minister to be asking those kinds of questions.

My point is this: If you don't hold X belief, why does anything people
with X belief have to say about it bother you?

Organized religion has a place in society for society's welfare. Just
because you or Judity or someone else doesn't like it doesn't mean A)
it's all bad, B) that a few crappy examples are indicative of the
normal, or C) that you have to pay any attention to them whatsoever.

Do I think some sects are crazy as loons? Sure I do. Do I still harbor
issues from when I was stuck in the middle of some of them, hypocrites
all? Sure I do. Do I think some sects want to kill half the world
because that half of the world doesn't believe like they believe? Sure
I do.

But really, if you're sitting around thinking about what other people
learn in their churches and GET MAD ABOUT IT, well, you've just got way
too much time on your hands.

If I got mad every time a Southern Baptist preacher preaches that my
church is a cult, I'd be mad all the time. I just roll my eyes and keep
on living my life the way I live it. What they have to say about me,
my beliefs, or anything else about my life affects not one thing about it.

(FYI: My church teaches the same thing--that single people shouldn't be
having sex and spouses should enjoy it to the fullest. So? Is there
something WRONG with that philosophy? And please don't hit me with the
"it's not realistic" argument because that's not a congruous answer to
the question.)

Jeannie

Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2007 6:26 pm

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"Judity" <Judity01@aol.com> wrote in news:1174750576.647564.146050
@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com:

Quote:

. Some stranger is going to tell me what I can or can't do with
my own body? I don't think so!

ARGH! Guess my temper isn't as cool as I thought yet.

Somebody find her the remote!! I have found that when I don't like what
I'm hearing, it always helps to change the channel. Everyone has their own
beliefs and their own opinions.

Jeannie

Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2007 6:29 pm

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"LizzieB." <blahblah@blahblahblah.com> wrote in news:56ljvlF29ge2cU3
@mid.individual.net:

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If I got mad every time a Southern Baptist preacher preaches that my
church is a cult, I'd be mad all the time.

I don't know why this made me snicker. Not in the fact that they are
"picking on your religion" but I could just picture it and it infuriates
me. We had a guest pastor one time say something ugly about the JW and I
got up and walked out. Of course, I was raised Methodist but have attended
a southern baptist church since 1997 and I have only heard that one pastor
make a comment like that. Wonder why he didn't have a home church and
traveleled around so much?

im1whalen

Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2007 7:28 pm

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Quote:

HOWEVER, he is saying that GOD said this so it has to be so. GOD said
it????????????????????

Now, that's what bothers me about some religions, Christianity
included. Do any of you really believe that GOD actually tells these
ministers and priests and rabbis, etc. what their congregations should
be doing?<<<<

I am not a believer in organized religions - or at least not in any I
have thus far been exposed to - HOWEVER - I do believe that God speaks
to me - not in words like, "Hey Mar, how the hell are you?" but I pray
- my prayers are answered, or I am give a different direction, or
SOMETHING. So, do I think he speaks to the ministers, rabbis, priests,
etc - well, sure, why not? Do I think that those people have the right
to tell me what to do with my body? Nah - and that is because I do have
a 1-on-1 with God and don't feel the need to have anyone, anything
decipher what I know to be true. It is also because I don't believe
any person has the right to tell me what to do with my body - whether
they have been chatting with the Good Lord, the devil himself, or G
dubyah!

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im1whalen

FarAwayDeb

Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2007 10:58 pm

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On Mar 24, 11:36 am, "Judity" <Judit...@aol.com> wrote:

Quote:

The sermons stress that single people shouldn't have sex while married
men and women should enjoy it. Okay, so far it's not too offensive,
even though I don't agree with him. Being single all my life, I
believed I could have sex AND enjoy it.

Pretty much all of the organized religions I have ever heard of insist
that sex outside of marriage is a sin. So I don't think that's really
so unusual. People who want to do it are going to insist it's not a
sin, and I guess they're entitled to their opinion just like everybody
else.

And why would anyone pray, if they didn't believe they were going to
get an answer? People aren't locked up because they believe God spoke
to them, only if they believe God told them to do something evil,
because almost everybody believes that God is Good and he wouldn't do
that.

Oops. I generally avoid discussions about politics and religion. For
good reason -- rarely are opinions changed regardless of how many
other opinions are offered.

"FarAwayDeb"

RaeMorrill

Posted: Sun Mar 25, 2007 10:20 am

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Melinda Meahan - take out TRASH to reply Wrote:

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Judity wrote:

Now, that's what bothers me about some religions, Christianity
included. Do any of you really believe that GOD actually tells these
ministers and priests and rabbis, etc. what their congregations
should
be doing?

Nowhere does the Bible say that the penalty for extramarital or
premarital sex is that it is not enjoyed -- in fact, it does say "there
is pleasure in sin for a season," meaning that people can do wrong but
enjoy it in the short run. But the Bible does make it clear in many
places that God does not want people having sex outside of marriage.
So
these ministers/preachers/priests/whoever are only relating what has
already been codified, much like a law professor in college would
relate
the law that exists but not really be making up new laws.

But if you don't believe in the Bible nor try to live by it, it
shouldn't worry you too much.
One huge problem for me is the ministers who pound on this day in and

day out -then get caught doing it. How DARE they? Then of course, they
obey the parts they want to, not the parts they don't - conveniently
choosing to explain that they don't apply any longer. So, yeah, I get
really, REALLY pissed when they smugly sit up there and tell others how
big of sinners they are.

--
RaeMorrill

JulieW8

Posted: Sun Mar 25, 2007 11:16 am

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[Default] On 24 Mar 2007 08:36:16 -0700, "Judity" <Judity01@aol.com>
took a break from reality and said:

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I suppose if you don't read the Bible and/or don't believe that the
Bible is the word of God, or if you don't believe in a paternalistic
or maternalistic higher order that does wish to control your life to
the extent a parent does a child, then you might not think anyone or
anything should have any say in your life.

However, if you do believe those things, then you're going to believe
that organized religion or not, that higher order takes an interest in
your life and how it turns out, just as parents take an interest in
the lives of their children and how they turn out. IMO, it's no
different than saying you obey your parents or you adhere to the
things you were taught as a child. (rhetorical question) Why would
anyone get all in a dither about that? (/rhetorical question)

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RaeMorrill

Posted: Sun Mar 25, 2007 11:36 am

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Well that, too. I have to say seeing them try to wipe the egg off their
faces is rather amusing. The sad part is they can't seem to grasp the
concept of "hypocrite."

--
RaeMorrill

LizzieB.

Posted: Sun Mar 25, 2007 11:44 am

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RaeMorrill wrote:

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So, yeah, I get
really, REALLY pissed when they smugly sit up there and tell others how
big of sinners they are.

They make me snicker and snort and guffaw.

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