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JOHN
Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2007 10:20 am
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http://www.whale.to/a/overell_b.html

300 million animals are absued and killed every year to get Allopathic
monopoly medicine http://www.whale.to/a/allopathy_h.html on the market, that
end up being the third leading cause of death
http://www.whale.to/a/dean.html

and the leading cause of child disease like autism
http://www.whale.to/vaccines/vax_autism_q.html
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Rob
Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 7:16 am
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JOHN wrote:
Quote:
http://www.whale.to/a/overell_b.html

300 million animals are absued and killed every year to get Allopathic
monopoly medicine http://www.whale.to/a/allopathy_h.html on the market, that
end up being the third leading cause of death
http://www.whale.to/a/dean.html

and the leading cause of child disease like autism

ERR bullshit.

Quote:
http://www.whale.to/vaccines/vax_autism_q.html

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?DB=pubmed

Put "MMR Autism" into the search box
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This imbecile thinks that Smallpox and Polio just decided to leave this
planet at about the same time that Vaccines were produced.

Don't believe me? Ask him !

You want to follow this flat earth science - good luck! Your children
will need it.

In the meantime here is what whooping cough looks like

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZ5jf-5MobE
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JOHN
Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 9:37 am
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Moron alert!

Quote:
Put "MMR Autism" into the search box

Is that an argument? e all know the propaganda

Quote:
This imbecile thinks that Smallpox and Polio just decided to leave this
planet at about the same time that Vaccines were produced.

the smallpox hoax http://www.whale.to/a/smallpox_hoax.html
Polio hoax http://www.whale.to/v/polio2.htm

Quote:

Don't believe me? Ask him !

You want to follow this flat earth science - good luck! Your children will
need it.

Yeah, they need luck to dodge the vaccine bullet. Must be a few million
vaccine ADD people now.


Quote:
In the meantime here is what whooping cough looks like

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZ5jf-5MobE



DPT damage http://www.whale.to/vaccine/dpt1.html

"It now transpires that during the Clinical Trials children did in fact
suffer severe and irreversible brain damage as a result of the Pertussis
Vaccine and accepted as such by Medical Experts appointed by the Department
of Health........It is now an established fact that the present figure now
stands at over 900 which is an absolute disgrace in a civilised country."--M
Wain http://www.whale.to/vaccines/wain.html

Searching for children who had not been exposed to mercury in vaccines --
the kind of population that scientists typically use as a "control" in
experiments -- Dan Olmsted scoured the Amish of Lancaster County,
Pennsylvania, who refuse to immunize their infants. Given the national rate
of autism, Olmsted calculated that there should be 130 autistics among the
Amish. He found only four. One had been exposed to high levels of mercury
from a power plant. The other three -- including one child adopted from
outside the Amish community -- had received their vaccines.----Deadly
Immunity By ROBERT F. KENNEDY JR.

"When in Germany, vaccinations against whooping cough were suspended between
1975 and 1991, the declining trend in the number of deaths from the disease
continued as before."--Dr Buchwald (The Decline of Tuberculosis despite
"Protective" Vaccination by Dr. Gerhard Buchwald M.D. p135)
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JOHN
Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 9:57 am
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"Rob" <User@example.com> wrote in message
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This imbecile thinks that Smallpox and Polio just decided to leave this
planet at about the same time that Vaccines were produced.


Moron, smallpox vax was intro'd in 1790's
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Rob
Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 3:12 am
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JOHN wrote:
Quote:
"Rob" <User@example.com> wrote in message
news:Y4aLh.12924$8U4.1076@news-server.bigpond.net.au...

This imbecile thinks that Smallpox and Polio just decided to leave this
planet at about the same time that Vaccines were produced.


Moron, smallpox vax was intro'd in 1790's


And mass vaccination started the same year.


Imbecile.
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Rob
Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 3:57 am
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JOHN wrote:
Quote:
"Rob" <User@example.com> wrote in message
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Moron alert!

Put "MMR Autism" into the search box

Is that an argument? e all know the propaganda

Pubmed is a database of all the published scientific data. Yeah Doctors
and Scientists are prepared to risk the lives children so they can get a
10 minute consult.

I think the readers of this message will look at your site and Pubmed
and decide which one is Propaganda.

Quote:
This imbecile thinks that Smallpox and Polio just decided to leave this
planet at about the same time that Vaccines were produced.

the smallpox hoax http://www.whale.to/a/smallpox_hoax.html
Polio hoax http://www.whale.to/v/polio2.htm

Don't believe me? Ask him !

You want to follow this flat earth science - good luck! Your children will
need it.

Yeah, they need luck to dodge the vaccine bullet. Must be a few million
vaccine ADD people now.


In the meantime here is what whooping cough looks like

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZ5jf-5MobE



DPT damage http://www.whale.to/vaccine/dpt1.html

"It now transpires that during the Clinical Trials children did in fact
suffer severe and irreversible brain damage as a result of the Pertussis
Vaccine and accepted as such by Medical Experts appointed by the Department
of Health........It is now an established fact that the present figure now
stands at over 900 which is an absolute disgrace in a civilised country."--M
Wain http://www.whale.to/vaccines/wain.html

Searching for children who had not been exposed to mercury in vaccines --
the kind of population that scientists typically use as a "control" in
experiments -- Dan Olmsted scoured the Amish of Lancaster County,
Pennsylvania, who refuse to immunize their infants. Given the national rate
of autism, Olmsted calculated that there should be 130 autistics among the
Amish. He found only four. One had been exposed to high levels of mercury
from a power plant. The other three -- including one child adopted from
outside the Amish community -- had received their vaccines.----Deadly
Immunity By ROBERT F. KENNEDY JR.

"When in Germany, vaccinations against whooping cough were suspended between
1975 and 1991, the declining trend in the number of deaths from the disease
continued as before."--Dr Buchwald (The Decline of Tuberculosis despite
"Protective" Vaccination by Dr. Gerhard Buchwald M.D. p135)

OK let just say for the sake of argument that the Amish have a lower
rate of Autism. The Amish do a lot of things differently not just
refuse Vaccines (As you will see later not all Amish refuse vaccination).

If you want the benefits of the Amish lifestyle you have to do
everything they do.

No TV
No Electricity.
No Cars
No Computers
No Internet.

How can you be sure that the refusal of Vaccines caused the difference
and not the factors above???

There are many studies that suggest that it is not the vaccine was not
to blame.
This study from Japan of 904 patients was unable to show a difference.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=AbstractPlus&list_uids=16865547&query_hl=1&itool=pubmed_docsum


Before you turn off your lights and unplug your computer it should be
noted the Amish do not get every thing there own way.

http://www.cdc.gov/MMWR/preview/mmwrhtml/00050435.htm
In 1979 there were 17 cases of Polio in Canada and the United States. of
those 14(all paralytic) were non vaccinated Amish + 1 Amish
infant(vaccinated 5 days prior) but had already been infected, too late
for the vaccine to take.
So in a population of 200+ million people 15 of the 17 cases of Polio in
the United States that year were from the Amish. The other 2 were from
non vaccinated non Amish.

"Immunization campaigns for the Amish are continuing; at least half of
the nation's Amish have now received 1 or more doses of oral poliovirus
vaccine." The Amish are not completely stupid.
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HCN
Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 9:08 am
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"Rob" <User@example.com> wrote in message
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Quote:
JOHN wrote:
"Rob" <User@example.com> wrote in message
news:Y4aLh.12924$8U4.1076@news-server.bigpond.net.au...

This imbecile thinks that Smallpox and Polio just decided to leave this
planet at about the same time that Vaccines were produced.


Moron, smallpox vax was intro'd in 1790's


And mass vaccination started the same year.

Imbecile.

Well, truthfully the mass vaccination did not really start until much later.
Though there was much contention with the smallpox vaccine because in the
days before microscopes or understanding of other pathogens the serial
vaccination with cowpox could also spread other nasties. More modern
vaccines like measles and Hib show a greater drop in incidence after their
introduction (cue John to try to show if happened before the vaccines!) I
just finished reading
http://www.amazon.com/Vaccine-Controversial-Medicines-Greatest-Lifesaver/dp/0393059111/

But to let you know who you are dealing with:

He also claims that satanic black lines burned his bum! From
http://www.whale.to/b/cbblack.html ... " I also burnt
my ass on it some years back when I was experimenting with psychedelics,
similar to a chemical burn right through my trousers, where the trousers
were unscathed apart from a flattening of the cord. I thought, first, that
I had been given a metaphysical kick up the backside! Perhaps I had. "

(one wonders what kind of brain damage was caused by the psychedelics)

Not a very reliable source... Comments about John Scudamore in
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-vaccinationists/Individuals include "a
large and slightly sorted collection of conspiracy theory save the whale,
illuminati, weird "science" and stuff which is not corrected to
reflect demonstrated mistakes."
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JOHN
Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 4:46 pm
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"Rob" <User@example.com> wrote in message
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Quote:

I think the readers of this message will look at your site and Pubmed and
decide which one is Propaganda.

Pubmed is just a database of articles.

Do you think it only stocks articles that support allopathy?

Try reading dr levy's book http://www.whale.to/a/levy4.html with 2,000
Pubmed citations that show vitamin C will cure infections, making
vaccination unecessary.

know for 50 years, yet still not used, which is why they suppress The
Journal of Orthomolecular Medicine, although in publication for 38 years,
has never been listed on the government database MEDLINE.

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No TV
No Electricity.
No Cars
No Computers
No Internet.

How can you be sure that the refusal of Vaccines caused the difference and
not the factors above???

its called common sense. You think those things, or lack of, are going to
cause autism, and not injecting mercury at 250 times the accepted EPA safety
levels?

Why don't you read an expert (independent one) like Dr Hayly on mercury and
then tell me TV and elctricity cause autism and not mercury
http://www.whale.to/vaccines/thimerosal.htm

"I think that the biological case against Thimerosal is so dramatically
overwhelming anymore that only a very foolish or a very dishonest person
with the credentials to
understand this research would say that Thimerosal wasn't most likely the
cause of autism."--- Interview of Dr. Boyd E. Haley by Teri Small:
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