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Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 1:38 pm |
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Just curious, what's the real difference between an amalgam filling
and a composite one? Is it a matter of quality or appearance? Just
visited my new dentist for a full exam and 2 X-rays. He gave me an
estimate of the work I need done, and he lists 3 amalgam fillings and
3 composite fillings. I have one periodontal pocket that needs
scraping and planing also. I should be done with everything by the
end of May.
Thanks in advance.
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| grubertm@gmail.com |
Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 8:12 pm |
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Hi Eva,
My dentist once gave me a nice ADA brochure comparing all the
available materials. Maybe yours has something like it sitting around
somewhere.
The pros/cons as far as I can tell are like this:
Amalgam
Pro: cheap, requires less skill to do right, long lasting
Con: looks ugly, large filling can expand and crack tooth, can make
tooth temperature sensitive
Composite
Pro: looks nice, unlikely to crack tooth
Cons: shrinks over time allowing decay to recur, requires a more
skilled dentist, expensive, wears more easily |
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Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2007 9:56 am |
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On Mar 23, 7:12 pm, "grube...@gmail.com" <grube...@gmail.com> wrote:
Quote: Hi Eva,
My dentist once gave me a nice ADA brochure comparing all the
available materials. Maybe yours has something like it sitting around
somewhere.
The pros/cons as far as I can tell are like this:
Amalgam
Pro: cheap, requires less skill to do right, long lasting
Con: looks ugly, large filling can expand and crack tooth, can make
tooth temperature sensitive
Composite
Pro: looks nice, unlikely to crack tooth
Cons: shrinks over time allowing decay to recur, requires a more
skilled dentist, expensive, wears more easily
Thanks! I didn't think of asking when I was in the office -- too
nervous. The metal fillings will be in back where they can't be
seen.
Eva |
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| Alexander Vasserman DDS |
Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2007 2:25 pm |
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On Mar 23, 5:12 pm, "grube...@gmail.com" <grube...@gmail.com> wrote:
Quote: Hi Eva,
My dentist once gave me a nice ADA brochure comparing all the
available materials. Maybe yours has something like it sitting around
somewhere.
The pros/cons as far as I can tell are like this:
Amalgam
Pro: cheap, requires less skill to do right, long lasting
Con: looks ugly, large filling can expand and crack tooth, can make
tooth temperature sensitive
How about minimal removal of tooth structure. ie remove the decay and
you are done. With Amalgam you have minimum depth preparation
requirements such as 1.5mm deep, dove tails, box forms box retention
undercuts, etc... With composite size of the decay determines how
much tooth is removed. With amalgam it is the decay and the
requirements for the retention of the materials that determine how
much tooth is removed.
How about lack of amalgam tattoos, lack of staining of the dentin over
time compared to amalgam. How about a chemical bond that seals all the
dentinal tubules and enamel.
Quote: Composite
Pro: looks nice, unlikely to crack tooth
Cons: shrinks over time allowing decay to recur, requires a more
skilled dentist, expensive, wears more easily
Now where do you get shrinks over time from????? once the material
cures that's it.
What do you mean allowing decay to recur how does a filling allow
decay to recur???? recurrent decay has nothing to do with the type of
restoration you will find it in patients who do not take good care of
their hygiene and it will happen around any filling composite,
amalgam, porcelain inlay gold crown.
Requires a more knowledgeable dentist in bonding composites. In fact
it takes more hand skills to do the proper preparation for an amalgam
than a composite filling.
With amalgam you are counting on mechanical retention with composite
it is the bond you can achieve.
The newer composites wear same as enamel. If the filling does not wear
at all guess what the opposing tooth does. You will always have some
wear between natural teeth even, the point is to keep it the same
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| Alexander Vasserman DDS |
Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2007 2:42 pm |
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On Mar 23, 5:12 pm, "grube...@gmail.com" <grube...@gmail.com> wrote:
Quote: Hi Eva,
My dentist once gave me a nice ADA
Nice source of information an organization that is now run buy
insurance companies the same people that determine what they will pay
for your fillings.
Composites are more expensive because of the time involved to do them
right, insurance do not like them because it means if they endorse
them they would have to pay more of your benefits = smaller profit
margin for them. What better place to control endorsement than from
the ADA itself. The CRC ADA's Code Revision Council consists of 6
insurance companies representatives (among them Delta Dental, and
Medicaid which is also managed by Delta Dental, Blue Cross, and a few
others) and not a single dentist. Of course they are not going to give
you all the facts about the materials. BTW Amalgam contains substances
that according to the state of California are known to cause birth
defects in pregnant women. The EPA is trying to get dentists to
install amalgam filters so that the amalgam waste does not get into
our water supply got forbid we drink it but it's ok if it is already
in our fillings wearing away and we are swallowing it. The city does
not want to be liable for giving it to you that's all it is
apparently. And the city waste disposal agencies way of dealing with
the current waste is to sell permits and pretend they are doing
something.
Amalgam will disappear as an option all together because composites
are better, dental schools have already shifted their curriculum away
from amalgam, so pretty soon even if you wanted to get one placed, you
will have a hard time finding a dentist to give it to you as an
option.
brochure comparing all the
Quote: available materials. Maybe yours has something like it sitting around
somewhere.
The pros/cons as far as I can tell are like this:
Amalgam
Pro: cheap, requires less skill to do right, long lasting
Con: looks ugly, large filling can expand and crack tooth, can make
tooth temperature sensitive
Composite
Pro: looks nice, unlikely to crack tooth
Cons: shrinks over time allowing decay to recur, requires a more
skilled dentist, expensive, wears more easily |
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| George |
Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2007 3:10 pm |
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Alexander is right about most things and appears rightly passionate
about composite. The thing I want to add to the discussion is an
interesting anomaly occuring in the research comparing composite and
amalgam.
There are studies that have compared the longevity of composite and
amalgam restorations under tight controls, which usually means that
the group of restorations studied was a limited number done by a few
operators (usually) highly skilled individuals with a good background
in both amalgams and composites in a university or controlled private
practice setting). Most of these studies have concluded that the
longevity of both materials is about the same. So, under optimal
conditions composite is at least as good as amalgam for the posterior
region (and may in fact be better).
However, in most large-scale studies that will study a very large
number of restorations performed by many dentists, amalgam has been
shown to last considerably longer than composite. In a large study of
general practice in Finland for example, average longevity for a
posterior composite was 6 years, whereas a posterior amalgam stayed
around for an average of 11 years.
So, there is a great difference between the optimal conditions
achieved in a research study and the results in your average everyday
practice. Possible reasons for this discrepancy include:
1) Training in many dental schools traditionally focused mainly in
amalgam, so students don't graduate with good composite understanding/
skills and will need to gradually obtain them in postgraduate training
and practice.
2) Amalgam is a very forgiving material, whereas composite will
require very strict placement conditions. This is especially true for
past composite materials, which required a certain amount of clinical
experience to place (some might actually call it "guesswork"),
although things are getting better with newer materials. Obviously, a
more complex placement procedure has a great margin of error.
3) The prevalence of dental disease and economic realities (like
dental insurance) can and will affect treatment quality.
Amalgam is perhaps the best thing that happened to dentistry. Before
amalgam, gold was used for restoring cavities, so restorative
dentistry could only be afforded by the well-off. Amalgam saved
countless of teeth from destruction or extraction and its impact on
modern dentistry cannot be overemphasised. This cheap, reliable
material made restorative dentistry available to the greater public
and without it there probably wouldn't be much interest in developing
new materials, including composites.
A few points that were not mentioned in the discussion: amalgam
generally leaks more than composite, but the silver and mercury salts
it forms are antibacterial and may protect from recurrence. It also
has a better coefficient of thermal expansion than composite.
Regards,
George |
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| Steven Fawks |
Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2007 8:47 pm |
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Works for me, but I quit using amalgam in 1985.
:-)
Steve
Quote: Now where do you get shrinks over time from????? once the material
cures that's it.
What do you mean allowing decay to recur how does a filling allow
decay to recur???? recurrent decay has nothing to do with the type of
restoration you will find it in patients who do not take good care of
their hygiene and it will happen around any filling composite,
amalgam, porcelain inlay gold crown.
Requires a more knowledgeable dentist in bonding composites. In fact
it takes more hand skills to do the proper preparation for an amalgam
than a composite filling.
With amalgam you are counting on mechanical retention with composite
it is the bond you can achieve.
The newer composites wear same as enamel. If the filling does not wear
at all guess what the opposing tooth does. You will always have some
wear between natural teeth even, the point is to keep it the same
between opposing teeth.
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| The Webby |
Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2007 8:51 pm |
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In article <1174786406_4875@news.newsville.com>,
Steven Fawks <tuthjockey@myturbonet.com> wrote:
Quote: Works for me, but I quit using amalgam in 1985.
:-)
Steve
My dentist used amalgam in 1992 (as close to a year as poosible after
bila
Quote:
Now where do you get shrinks over time from????? once the material
cures that's it.
What do you mean allowing decay to recur how does a filling allow
decay to recur???? recurrent decay has nothing to do with the type of
restoration you will find it in patients who do not take good care of
their hygiene and it will happen around any filling composite,
amalgam, porcelain inlay gold crown.
Requires a more knowledgeable dentist in bonding composites. In fact
it takes more hand skills to do the proper preparation for an amalgam
than a composite filling.
With amalgam you are counting on mechanical retention with composite
it is the bond you can achieve.
The newer composites wear same as enamel. If the filling does not wear
at all guess what the opposing tooth does. You will always have some
wear between natural teeth even, the point is to keep it the same
between opposing teeth.
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| Alexander Vasserman DDS |
Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2007 9:04 pm |
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On Mar 24, 12:10 pm, "George" <chpet...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Quote: Alexander is right about most things and appears rightly passionate
about composite. The thing I want to add to the discussion is an
interesting anomaly occuring in the research comparing composite and
amalgam.
There are studies that have compared the longevity of composite and
amalgam restorations under tight controls, which usually means that
the group of restorations studied was a limited number done by a few
operators (usually) highly skilled individuals with a good background
in both amalgams and composites in a university or controlled private
practice setting). Most of these studies have concluded that the
longevity of both materials is about the same. So, under optimal
conditions composite is at least as good as amalgam for the posterior
region (and may in fact be better).
However, in most large-scale studies that will study a very large
number of restorations performed by many dentists, amalgam has been
shown to last considerably longer than composite. In a large study of
general practice in Finland for example, average longevity for a
posterior composite was 6 years, whereas a posterior amalgam stayed
around for an average of 11 years.
So, there is a great difference between the optimal conditions
achieved in a research study and the results in your average everyday
practice. Possible reasons for this discrepancy include:
1) Training in many dental schools traditionally focused mainly in
amalgam, so students don't graduate with good composite understanding/
skills and will need to gradually obtain them in postgraduate training
and practice.
2) Amalgam is a very forgiving material, whereas composite will
require very strict placement conditions. This is especially true for
past composite materials, which required a certain amount of clinical
experience to place (some might actually call it "guesswork"),
although things are getting better with newer materials. Obviously, a
more complex placement procedure has a great margin of error.
3) The prevalence of dental disease and economic realities (like
dental insurance) can and will affect treatment quality.
Amalgam is perhaps the best thing that happened to dentistry. Before
amalgam, gold was used for restoring cavities, so restorative
dentistry could only be afforded by the well-off. Amalgam saved
countless of teeth from destruction or extraction and its impact on
modern dentistry cannot be overemphasised. This cheap, reliable
material made restorative dentistry available to the greater public
and without it there probably wouldn't be much interest in developing
new materials, including composites.
A few points that were not mentioned in the discussion: amalgam
generally leaks more than composite, but the silver and mercury salts
it forms are antibacterial and may protect from recurrence.
It also
Quote: has a better coefficient of thermal expansion than composite.
However, composite has lower thermal conductivity than Amalgam.
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| Steven Fawks |
Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2007 9:30 pm |
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I was a little ahead of my time. Back then I had to line
the dentin with glass ionomer cement before etching and
placing the composite.
Now it involves fewer steps, but I still see functional
restorations that are well over 20 years old.
:-)
Steve
Quote: Works for me, but I quit using amalgam in 1985.
:-)
Steve
My dentist used amalgam in 1992 (as close to a year as poosible after
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Posted: Sun Mar 25, 2007 1:59 pm |
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Interesting responses. I must say that one of the fillings that has
to be redone is a composite filling from around 1992. Sure didn't
last long. I have two amalgam fillings in numbers 14 and 15 that were
done 45 years ago, and they are still intact. There is no decay
around those old amalgam fillings. They have held up better than the
one composite filling I do have.
Eva |
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| The Webby |
Posted: Sun Mar 25, 2007 2:05 pm |
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In article <1174849144.084123.20640@y66g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
equesnel@unm.edu wrote:
Quote: Interesting responses. I must say that one of the fillings that has
to be redone is a composite filling from around 1992. Sure didn't
last long. I have two amalgam fillings in numbers 14 and 15 that were
done 45 years ago, and they are still intact. There is no decay
around those old amalgam fillings. They have held up better than the
one composite filling I do have.
Eva
I've been wondering if Cerec can be used on cases getting hospital
dentistry (under general anesthesia). I know that it can be very
difficult to find a hospital O.R. that is equipped to do root canal
therapy.
Just curious... calling Cerec-guys ...
Webby |
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| le huart |
Posted: Sun Mar 25, 2007 6:21 pm |
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Posted: Sun Mar 25, 2007 6:56 pm |
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On Mar 25, 5:21 pm, le huart <fritzfi...@comcast.net> wrote:
Quote: Miles Markley, anyone?
I'm thinking this has been taken off topic here. Does this have
anything to do with my original question? Just feeling a little
frustrated. Cerec means nothing to me, and neither does Miles
Markley. Hello?
Eva |
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| le huart |
Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 6:37 am |
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Miles Markley, R.I.P., was a dentist who could do wonders with amalgam,
using pins, building up broken cusps, etc. Many of his amalgams have
lasted 50+ years. |
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