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Peter
Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 10:47 pm
Guest
I've seen undercover research in Reader's Digest and from an
un-broadcasted Prime Time Live episode from 1997 that, statistically,
most dentists are greedy, if not greedy liars. This is my personal
experience as well.

My wife and I both were deceived by two different dentists recently,
both of which failed to show us that we could have paid $175 under our
insurance plans for metal-porcelain crowns. Instead they upsold us
with ranges from $495 to $1100 and never mentioned the lower prices.
Unfortunately we trusted them, and found out too late about our
insurance coverage (two days after they began her onlay), and my
wife's dentist now swears they showed her all the prices.

We cancelled the $795 onlay job after discovering this, paid a $200
lab cancellation fee, and today as my wife was getting her $175 crown
started, her dentist was completely rude and snappy at her the entire
time, even warning how worse her nickel crown would be because 20% of
people are allergic, etc.

I feel like we're going to bad mechanics who try to scare us into
timing belt changes every time we need an oil change. (My wife, they
said, needed the $220 "deep" cleaning rather than the normal cleaning
our insurance provides that costs us nothing).

This is my personal experience from the last three dentists I've been
to, all of them in nice areas with the latest equipment, etc. My wife
says only one out of the last four she has been was good overall, and
some were downright awful (like our current one). After these
experiences we both agreed we're going to go to one dentist she liked,
even though he isn't under our plan. We just don't feel like risking
it again.

So I know good dentists exist but why so few? I am just unlucky?
Guest
Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 11:59 pm
On Mar 22, 8:47 am, Peter <short...@gmail.com> wrote:
Quote:
I've seen undercover research in Reader's Digest and from an
un-broadcasted Prime Time Live episode from 1997 that, statistically,
most dentists are greedy, if not greedy liars. This is my personal
experience as well.

My wife and I both were deceived by two different dentists recently,
both of which failed to show us that we could have paid $175 under our
insurance plans for metal-porcelain crowns. Instead they upsold us
with ranges from $495 to $1100 and never mentioned the lower prices.
Unfortunately we trusted them, and found out too late about our
insurance coverage (two days after they began her onlay), and my
wife's dentist now swears they showed her all the prices.

We cancelled the $795 onlay job after discovering this, paid a $200
lab cancellation fee, and today as my wife was getting her $175 crown
started, her dentist was completely rude and snappy at her the entire
time, even warning how worse her nickel crown would be because 20% of
people are allergic, etc.

I feel like we're going to bad mechanics who try to scare us into
timing belt changes every time we need an oil change. (My wife, they
said, needed the $220 "deep" cleaning rather than the normal cleaning
our insurance provides that costs us nothing).

This is my personal experience from the last three dentists I've been
to, all of them in nice areas with the latest equipment, etc. My wife
says only one out of the last four she has been was good overall, and
some were downright awful (like our current one). After these
experiences we both agreed we're going to go to one dentist she liked,
even though he isn't under our plan. We just don't feel like risking
it again.

So I know good dentists exist but why so few? I am just unlucky?


Hi Peter
I do feel sorry for this kind of thing happening in my profession but
maybe they are more of businessmen than doctors which i would never
like to or do in my life ..i have been in practcie since 8 yrs i might
have not made much money as those doing this kind of practice but im
proud to say that my patients swear by me for being a dentist who
takes care ,gives the painless treatment possible and gives honest
advise ..as i would prefer having a name for being honest than for
having millions of bucks ..

..i m and will continue this way as
i love my work and love to take challenging cases and love the smile
which patient gives when he discovers the treatment is over ,he not
realising as he didnt go through the pain he was anticipating ...
well,i feel i just got carried away ,,,but yes fell sorry for those
who practice this way which i wuold say is unethical..

Dr Sachin Arora ,India
Guest
Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 12:01 am
On Mar 22, 9:59 am, drarora.sac...@gmail.com wrote:
Quote:
On Mar 22, 8:47 am, Peter <short...@gmail.com> wrote:



I've seen undercover research in Reader's Digest and from an
un-broadcasted Prime Time Live episode from 1997 that, statistically,
most dentists are greedy, if not greedy liars. This is my personal
experience as well.

My wife and I both were deceived by two different dentists recently,
both of which failed to show us that we could have paid $175 under our
insurance plans for metal-porcelain crowns. Instead they upsold us
with ranges from $495 to $1100 and never mentioned the lower prices.
Unfortunately we trusted them, and found out too late about our
insurance coverage (two days after they began her onlay), and my
wife's dentist now swears they showed her all the prices.

We cancelled the $795 onlay job after discovering this, paid a $200
lab cancellation fee, and today as my wife was getting her $175 crown
started, her dentist was completely rude and snappy at her the entire
time, even warning how worse her nickel crown would be because 20% of
people are allergic, etc.

I feel like we're going to bad mechanics who try to scare us into
timing belt changes every time we need an oil change. (My wife, they
said, needed the $220 "deep" cleaning rather than the normal cleaning
our insurance provides that costs us nothing).

This is my personal experience from the last three dentists I've been
to, all of them in nice areas with the latest equipment, etc. My wife
says only one out of the last four she has been was good overall, and
some were downright awful (like our current one). After these
experiences we both agreed we're going to go to one dentist she liked,
even though he isn't under our plan. We just don't feel like risking
it again.

So I know good dentists exist but why so few? I am just unlucky?

Hi Peter
I do feel sorry for this kind of thing happening in my profession but
maybe they are more of businessmen than doctors which i would never
like to or do in my life ..i have been in practcie since 8 yrs i might
have not made much money as those doing this kind of practice but im
proud to say that my patients swear by me for being a dentist who
takes care ,gives the painless treatment possible and gives honest
advise ..as i would prefer having a name for being honest than for
having millions of bucks ..

.i m and will continue this way as
i love my work and love to take challenging cases and love the smile
which patient gives when he discovers the treatment is over ,he not
realising as he didnt go through the pain he was anticipating ...
well,i feel i just got carried away ,,,but yes fell sorry for those
who practice this way which i wuold say is unethical..

Dr Sachin Arora ,India


please dont use the phrase dinhonest with the word
dentist.................
Amatus Cremona
Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 5:18 am
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"Peter" <shortpet@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Quote:
I've seen undercover research in Reader's Digest and from an
un-broadcasted Prime Time Live episode from 1997 that, statistically,
most dentists are greedy, if not greedy liars. This is my personal
experience as well.

My wife and I both were deceived by two different dentists recently,
both of which failed to show us that we could have paid $175 under our
insurance plans for metal-porcelain crowns. Instead they upsold us
with ranges from $495 to $1100 and never mentioned the lower prices.
Unfortunately we trusted them, and found out too late about our
insurance coverage (two days after they began her onlay), and my
wife's dentist now swears they showed her all the prices.

We cancelled the $795 onlay job after discovering this, paid a $200
lab cancellation fee, and today as my wife was getting her $175 crown
started, her dentist was completely rude and snappy at her the entire
time, even warning how worse her nickel crown would be because 20% of
people are allergic, etc.

I feel like we're going to bad mechanics who try to scare us into
timing belt changes every time we need an oil change. (My wife, they
said, needed the $220 "deep" cleaning rather than the normal cleaning
our insurance provides that costs us nothing).

This is my personal experience from the last three dentists I've been
to, all of them in nice areas with the latest equipment, etc. My wife
says only one out of the last four she has been was good overall, and
some were downright awful (like our current one). After these
experiences we both agreed we're going to go to one dentist she liked,
even though he isn't under our plan. We just don't feel like risking
it again.

So I know good dentists exist but why so few? I am just unlucky?

Not in an HMO plan


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Amatus
Amatus Cremona
Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 5:20 am
Guest
Sachin,

This is typical for an office participating in an HMO. It is also referred
to as bait-and-switch.

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Amatus

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<drarora.sachin@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1174539718.749628.4090@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
Quote:
On Mar 22, 9:59 am, drarora.sac...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mar 22, 8:47 am, Peter <short...@gmail.com> wrote:



I've seen undercover research in Reader's Digest and from an
un-broadcasted Prime Time Live episode from 1997 that, statistically,
most dentists are greedy, if not greedy liars. This is my personal
experience as well.

My wife and I both were deceived by two different dentists recently,
both of which failed to show us that we could have paid $175 under our
insurance plans for metal-porcelain crowns. Instead they upsold us
with ranges from $495 to $1100 and never mentioned the lower prices.
Unfortunately we trusted them, and found out too late about our
insurance coverage (two days after they began her onlay), and my
wife's dentist now swears they showed her all the prices.

We cancelled the $795 onlay job after discovering this, paid a $200
lab cancellation fee, and today as my wife was getting her $175 crown
started, her dentist was completely rude and snappy at her the entire
time, even warning how worse her nickel crown would be because 20% of
people are allergic, etc.

I feel like we're going to bad mechanics who try to scare us into
timing belt changes every time we need an oil change. (My wife, they
said, needed the $220 "deep" cleaning rather than the normal cleaning
our insurance provides that costs us nothing).

This is my personal experience from the last three dentists I've been
to, all of them in nice areas with the latest equipment, etc. My wife
says only one out of the last four she has been was good overall, and
some were downright awful (like our current one). After these
experiences we both agreed we're going to go to one dentist she liked,
even though he isn't under our plan. We just don't feel like risking
it again.

So I know good dentists exist but why so few? I am just unlucky?

Hi Peter
I do feel sorry for this kind of thing happening in my profession but
maybe they are more of businessmen than doctors which i would never
like to or do in my life ..i have been in practcie since 8 yrs i might
have not made much money as those doing this kind of practice but im
proud to say that my patients swear by me for being a dentist who
takes care ,gives the painless treatment possible and gives honest
advise ..as i would prefer having a name for being honest than for
having millions of bucks ..

.i m and will continue this way as
i love my work and love to take challenging cases and love the smile
which patient gives when he discovers the treatment is over ,he not
realising as he didnt go through the pain he was anticipating ...
well,i feel i just got carried away ,,,but yes fell sorry for those
who practice this way which i wuold say is unethical..

Dr Sachin Arora ,India


please dont use the phrase dinhonest with the word
dentist.................
Dartos
Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 7:38 am
Guest
Peter wrote:
After these
Quote:
experiences we both agreed we're going to go to one dentist she liked,
even though he isn't under our plan. We just don't feel like risking
it again.

If every dental patient would read these two sentences and realize the
truth behind them, dental insurance would cease to exist as we now
know it.

D
Mark & Steven Bornfeld
Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 8:40 am
Guest
Peter wrote:
Quote:
I've seen undercover research in Reader's Digest and from an
un-broadcasted Prime Time Live episode from 1997 that, statistically,
most dentists are greedy, if not greedy liars. This is my personal
experience as well.

My wife and I both were deceived by two different dentists recently,
both of which failed to show us that we could have paid $175 under our
insurance plans for metal-porcelain crowns. Instead they upsold us
with ranges from $495 to $1100 and never mentioned the lower prices.
Unfortunately we trusted them, and found out too late about our
insurance coverage (two days after they began her onlay), and my
wife's dentist now swears they showed her all the prices.

We cancelled the $795 onlay job after discovering this, paid a $200
lab cancellation fee, and today as my wife was getting her $175 crown
started, her dentist was completely rude and snappy at her the entire
time, even warning how worse her nickel crown would be because 20% of
people are allergic, etc.

I feel like we're going to bad mechanics who try to scare us into
timing belt changes every time we need an oil change. (My wife, they
said, needed the $220 "deep" cleaning rather than the normal cleaning
our insurance provides that costs us nothing).

This is my personal experience from the last three dentists I've been
to, all of them in nice areas with the latest equipment, etc. My wife
says only one out of the last four she has been was good overall, and
some were downright awful (like our current one). After these
experiences we both agreed we're going to go to one dentist she liked,
even though he isn't under our plan. We just don't feel like risking
it again.

So I know good dentists exist but why so few? I am just unlucky?


Missing from your description is what the dentist's relationship is to
the insurance plan. If the dentist is not under contract to the
insurance company, he/she should not be expected to know anything about
the provisions of the plan. Even if he/she IS a contract dentist, the
first responsibility is to provide the best care available, without
restriction to covered services. I would think that a contract
insurance dentist would understand that patients will naturally tend to
think that charges will be kept to a minimum, so if the dentist is doing
a service not covered by the plan it should be explained thoroughly so
the patient understands why a non-covered service is being done in lieu
of a less-expensive option. This could be viewed as bait-and-switch (if
the change is not explained), but assuming that the insurance company
only covers the best option is a fiction.
I have no idea if your dentist is honest or not; but your objections
seem to hinge primarily on money. Naturally miscommunication on money
is one of the most common causes for dissatisfied patients. But
especially if the dentist is NOT contractually obligated to your
particular dental plan, it is YOUR responsibility to know what is and is
not covered; the good dentist will help you understand your insurance
provisions to minimize the misunderstandings you've had.
Your statement that there is a dentist you like but who "isn't under
our plan" suggests that there is more to this than money. Unfortunately
there are lousy dentists out there, and you may have found some. The
fact you know a dentist you like suggests you know the difference; you
may also consider whether the fact that this dentist is not tied into
the insurance plan may have anything to do with the fact that he/she
treats you well.

Good luck,
Steve

--
Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS
http://www.dentaltwins.com
Brooklyn, NY
718-258-5001
 
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