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 Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 6:24 am |
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I'm not sure about exact terms. Maxillary lateral incisors are not
aligned (almost correct) with central incisors (rotated back). I will
need some aesthetic rotation (not translation, but forward rotation)
of my maxillary central incisors (lateral incisors and canines are
fine), along with rotating backward all mandibular incisors (not sure
about canines). There will not be a problem with occlusion after the
movement/rotation. Amount of movement at tips of incisors will be up
to 6mm (upper and lower). There is some mandibular crowding, but the
maxillary incisors are the only important aestheric change (mandibular
rotation is for occlusion).
I noticed a patent for "Do-it-yourself orthodontic kit and method" at
http://www.freshpatents.com/Do-it-yourself-orthodontic-kit-and-method-dt20060518ptan20060105287.php
I'm not sure if that product is available, or if it would work in my
case. It sounds like an Essix retainer. But it got me thinking:
It appears that with some assistance I could etch and bond brackets to
my own teeth. Has this been done and what are the success rates? Do
orthodontists ever bond brackets on themselves? I am not trained in
orthodontics and not sure if there are any specific books or other
resources that I can use.
Looks like R brackets would be the best, but I am not sure if I need
banded molar brackets for rotating incisors? Or can less brackets be
used and a shorter archwire for changes to incisors only? What would
be the duration? 6 months? Looks like a fixed retainer afterwards. Is
there a low visibility fixed retainer that can be bonded on the
outside of maxillary incisors? Plastic wire?
If your only reply is "you are silly. go and pay an orthodontist"
don't bother. Anyone that can point me in the right direction here is
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| carabelli |
| Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 6:53 am |
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<techcalgary@hotmail.com> wrote in .................. If your only reply is
"you are silly. go and pay an orthodontist"
Quote: don't bother. Anyone that can point me in the right direction here is
appreciated....
Well, I think,,,,,,,,,nevermind.
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| Mark & Steven Bornfeld |
| Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 9:31 am |
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carabelli wrote:
Quote: techcalgary@hotmail.com> wrote in .................. If your only reply is
"you are silly. go and pay an orthodontist"
don't bother. Anyone that can point me in the right direction here is
appreciated....
Well, I think,,,,,,,,,nevermind.
carabelli
A little knowledge is a dangerous thing. A very little knowledge...
Steve
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Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS
http://www.dentaltwins.com
Brooklyn, NY
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| Newbie |
| Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 1:25 pm |
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On 19 Mar 2007 04:24:32 -0700, techcalgary@hotmail.com wrote:
Quote: If your only reply is "you are silly. go and pay an orthodontist"
don't bother. Anyone that can point me in the right direction here is
appreciated.
Self dental diagnosis is strongly discouraged.
Self dental treatment is even more strongly discouraged.
There is an old saying in medicine, the doctor who treats
himself has a fool for a patient. |
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| Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 7:07 pm |
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On Mar 19, 11:25 am, Newbie <n...@bix.nex> wrote:
Quote: On 19 Mar 2007 04:24:32 -0700, techcalg...@hotmail.com wrote:
If your only reply is "you are silly. go and pay an orthodontist"
don't bother. Anyone that can point me in the right direction here is
appreciated.
Self dental diagnosis is strongly discouraged.
Self dental treatment is even more strongly discouraged.
There is an old saying in medicine, the doctor who treats
himself has a fool for a patient.
Ha ha, disappointing. I'm not self diagnosed, I've had dental and
orthodontic work before, and incompetence is why I'm left with ugly
buck teech and an underbite. You know, something like "if you use the
wrong archwire and put too much force on your teeth, you'll lose them"
or "if you have no experience etching you'll take off the enamel and
lose your teeth" was be the kind of useful advice I'd hoped for. But
instead I get fucking morons. I know there have been successful self
appendectomies with local anesthetic, orthodontic can't be that bad.
The orthodontists in my area won't do what patients ask them to do,
and the 3 minutes the spend with a patient is expensive. I'm not a
moron but I guess you'll never be convinced. The dumbass replies I've
received will make me do it in spite of you, even if I end up with
implants.
I KNOW there are orthodontists and orthodontic students out there that
could help. I won't sue you for malpractise. If you have to reply to
tell me I'm a fool, then give me some intelligent reasons not to do
it. If a GP can't treat himself, then he's not a doctor I'd ever want
to care for me.
What about the "Do-it-yourself orthodontic kit and method" retainers?
Is that product available? |
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| Alexander Vasserman DDS |
| Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 2:04 am |
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On Mar 19, 4:07 pm, techcalg...@hotmail.com wrote:
Quote: On Mar 19, 11:25 am, Newbie <n...@bix.nex> wrote:
On 19 Mar 2007 04:24:32 -0700, techcalg...@hotmail.com wrote:
If your only reply is "you are silly. go and pay an orthodontist"
don't bother. Anyone that can point me in the right direction here is
appreciated.
Self dental diagnosis is strongly discouraged.
Self dental treatment is even more strongly discouraged.
There is an old saying in medicine, the doctor who treats
himself has a fool for a patient.
Ha ha, disappointing. I'm not self diagnosed, I've had dental and
orthodontic work before, and incompetence is why I'm left with ugly
buck teech and an underbite. You know, something like "if you use the
wrong archwire and put too much force on your teeth, you'll lose them"
or "if you have no experience etching you'll take off the enamel and
lose your teeth" was be the kind of useful advice I'd hoped for. But
instead I get fucking morons. I know there have been successful self
appendectomies with local anesthetic, orthodontic can't be that bad.
The orthodontists in my area won't do what patients ask them to do,
and the 3 minutes the spend with a patient is expensive. I'm not a
moron but I guess you'll never be convinced. The dumbass replies I've
received will make me do it in spite of you, even if I end up with
implants.
I KNOW there are orthodontists and orthodontic students out there that
could help. I won't sue you for malpractise. If you have to reply to
tell me I'm a fool, then give me some intelligent reasons not to do
it. If a GP can't treat himself, then he's not a doctor I'd ever want
to care for me.
What about the "Do-it-yourself orthodontic kit and method" retainers?
Is that product available?
It is possible to bond brackets and move teeth oneself. Although I
doubt you can do it. I know some dentists that have done it and it was
difficult for them but not impossible They also had assistants and all
the dental equipment to help.
I do not see why you can't find somebody to fix your problem and save
yourself the consequences of not knowing what you are doing. You can
mess yourself up pretty bad and you are lacking x-ray equipment etc...
to do the job right. You seem to know more than average amount of
dental terminology for a lay person but that is not enough. Over the
internet nobody is going to tell you how to treat yourself without
actually seeing you. And nobody wants to take on the liability for
telling you that you are qualified to treat yourself. It does not
matter if you sign a consent or a release of liability form, if this
hits the fan and the police get in the picture it will not be pleasant
for anyone.
I do not see you doing this yourself. If for example your treatment
would involve air rotor stripping, I can not imagine anyone doing this
on themselves especially someone how does not have hand control or has
never drilled on a tooth.
I strongly encourage you to seek an orthodontist. |
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| carabelli |
| Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 7:12 am |
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<techcalgary@hotmail.com> wrote ............. I know there have been
successful self
Quote: appendectomies with local anesthetic...............
wimp
carabelli |
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| Amatus Cremona |
| Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 7:20 am |
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This person wanted someone to tell them how smart he is and what a great
idea he has. What is the matter with everyone. Tell him! While he is at
it, he could build a rocket ship in his barn to explore Mars. What could
NASA possibly know that he could not do with a mysterious kit he could buy?
................. ..................... Sorry for the sarcasm,
but what you want to do is just not going to work out *remotely* well. Most
general dentists don't want to mess with orthodontics on their own patients.
They don't want to mess with the complexity of proper diagnosis, planning,
and treatment. And, they already have trained their fine motor skills to
perform these types of tasks, have trained staff, and the equipment needed
to do the bonding.
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Amatus
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<techcalgary@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1174349239.294598.179050@l75g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
Quote: On Mar 19, 11:25 am, Newbie <n...@bix.nex> wrote:
On 19 Mar 2007 04:24:32 -0700, techcalg...@hotmail.com wrote:
If your only reply is "you are silly. go and pay an orthodontist"
don't bother. Anyone that can point me in the right direction here is
appreciated.
Self dental diagnosis is strongly discouraged.
Self dental treatment is even more strongly discouraged.
There is an old saying in medicine, the doctor who treats
himself has a fool for a patient.
Ha ha, disappointing. I'm not self diagnosed, I've had dental and
orthodontic work before, and incompetence is why I'm left with ugly
buck teech and an underbite. You know, something like "if you use the
wrong archwire and put too much force on your teeth, you'll lose them"
or "if you have no experience etching you'll take off the enamel and
lose your teeth" was be the kind of useful advice I'd hoped for. But
instead I get fucking morons. I know there have been successful self
appendectomies with local anesthetic, orthodontic can't be that bad.
The orthodontists in my area won't do what patients ask them to do,
and the 3 minutes the spend with a patient is expensive. I'm not a
moron but I guess you'll never be convinced. The dumbass replies I've
received will make me do it in spite of you, even if I end up with
implants.
I KNOW there are orthodontists and orthodontic students out there that
could help. I won't sue you for malpractise. If you have to reply to
tell me I'm a fool, then give me some intelligent reasons not to do
it. If a GP can't treat himself, then he's not a doctor I'd ever want
to care for me.
What about the "Do-it-yourself orthodontic kit and method" retainers?
Is that product available?
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| carabelli |
| Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 7:38 am |
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"Amatus Cremona" <Nicola@sottovocce.com> wrote...........While he is at it,
he could build a rocket ship in his barn ............
Sounds like a great idea for a movie
carabelli |
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| Steven Fawks |
| Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 9:41 am |
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Quote: I KNOW there are orthodontists and orthodontic students out there that
could help. I won't sue you for malpractise. If you have to reply to
tell me I'm a fool, then give me some intelligent reasons not to do
it. If a GP can't treat himself, then he's not a doctor I'd ever want
to care for me.
What about the "Do-it-yourself orthodontic kit and method" retainers?
Is that product available?
To my knowledge, what you ask for is not available.
I have done a limited amount of minor orthodontic treatment over
my 27 years of practice. These were simple one or two tooth
cases with room to achieve a satisfactory result.
I had a class II bite and I was wearing the lingual surfaces of
my maxillary incisors to the point that I knew I would need
to at least have them crowned before I was 40 without ortho.
Two of my kids needed ortho.
Did I try and treat myself or either of my kids? No f-ing way!
If you have been treated previously and are not happy with the
results, it is *extremely* unlikely that you could correct
the problems that even a mediocre orthodontist could not (even
if you were e-mailing X-rays and photos to Carabelli and he
were e-mailing instructions back!). I know that I probably
couldn't do it myself.
The chances of damaging your teeth, even to the point of
causing tooth loss is very real. The chances of having a
successful outcome are pretty low. Sounds like a sucker
bet to me.
D |
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| Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 8:54 pm |
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No ARS needed, mandibular crowding is not a problem aesthetically,
just the rotation for treatment of underbite. Actually there is enough
room, already had some reshaping done. I have damage to an upper and a
lower incisor. Crowns and eventually implants might be needed either
way.
Sorry for getting angry, didn't want to hear dismissive or sarcastic
replies.
This isn't surgery, the police won't get involved, obviously I didn't
expect an orthodontist to "guide me" through the procedure and that
isn't really what I was asking for. I have X rays but they don't tell
me anything that I don't already know. What I wanted was technical
reasons why I shouldn't do it, because obviously if I'm crazy enough
to do it anyway, that advice might prevent me from causing myself too
many problems.
The most serious problem that I can see is losing some enamel. An
optimum result is what I want obviously.
I know this doesn't sound like a "smart" idea, even to me. But it is
interesting. No offence to orthodontists, but my case is probably one
of the easiest. Of course a professional orthodontist would want to
move everything and reconstruct my jaw ;)
I wouldn't even consider it if it involved ARS, translations,
reshaping, anything with molars, TMJ treatment or whatever you can
think of. They take experience. But I'm not completely convinced that
I couldn't do it. Keep trying.
Steven Fawks wrote:
Quote:
What about the "Do-it-yourself orthodontic kit and method" retainers?
Is that product available?
To my knowledge, what you ask for is not available.
Too bad, it sounds like it might work for very minor aesthetic
corrections. |
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| The Webby |
| Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 10:44 pm |
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In article <1174442069.378765.35810@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
techcalgary@hotmail.com wrote:
[snip]
Quote:
I wouldn't even consider it if it involved ARS, translations,
reshaping, anything with molars, TMJ treatment or whatever you can
think of. They take experience. But I'm not completely convinced that
I couldn't do it. Keep trying.
I'll sleep much better knowing that you wouldn't even consider doing
"this" yourself if it involved "TMJ treatment". Whew! I was really
worried about that part.
Webby
Quote:
Steven Fawks wrote:
What about the "Do-it-yourself orthodontic kit and method" retainers?
Is that product available?
To my knowledge, what you ask for is not available.
Too bad, it sounds like it might work for very minor aesthetic
corrections. |
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| Amatus Cremona |
| Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 6:04 am |
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Webby, this person is clearly a N-C. He is only interested in reading
postings which support his ridiculous ideas. Anyone who disagrees is
dismissed or insulted. Reminds me of someone else..................
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Amatus
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"The Webby" <tmjiatroepidemic@cox.net> wrote in message
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Quote: In article <1174442069.378765.35810@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
techcalgary@hotmail.com wrote:
[snip]
I wouldn't even consider it if it involved ARS, translations,
reshaping, anything with molars, TMJ treatment or whatever you can
think of. They take experience. But I'm not completely convinced that
I couldn't do it. Keep trying.
I'll sleep much better knowing that you wouldn't even consider doing
"this" yourself if it involved "TMJ treatment". Whew! I was really
worried about that part.
Webby
Steven Fawks wrote:
What about the "Do-it-yourself orthodontic kit and method" retainers?
Is that product available?
To my knowledge, what you ask for is not available.
Too bad, it sounds like it might work for very minor aesthetic
corrections. |
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| The Webby |
| Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 9:29 am |
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In article <tj8Mh.226$YL5.77@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net>,
"Amatus Cremona" <Nicola@sottovocce.com> wrote:
Quote: Webby, this person is clearly a N-C. He is only interested in reading
postings which support his ridiculous ideas. Anyone who disagrees is
dismissed or insulted. Reminds me of someone else..................
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Amatus
Good thing I don't "disagree" then... ;-)
Webby
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"The Webby" <tmjiatroepidemic@cox.net> wrote in message
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In article <1174442069.378765.35810@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
techcalgary@hotmail.com wrote:
[snip]
I wouldn't even consider it if it involved ARS, translations,
reshaping, anything with molars, TMJ treatment or whatever you can
think of. They take experience. But I'm not completely convinced that
I couldn't do it. Keep trying.
I'll sleep much better knowing that you wouldn't even consider doing
"this" yourself if it involved "TMJ treatment". Whew! I was really
worried about that part.
Webby
Steven Fawks wrote:
What about the "Do-it-yourself orthodontic kit and method" retainers?
Is that product available?
To my knowledge, what you ask for is not available.
Too bad, it sounds like it might work for very minor aesthetic
corrections. |
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| Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 10:22 pm |
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On Mar 21, 4:04 am, "Amatus Cremona" <Nic...@sottovocce.com> wrote:
Quote: Webby, this person is clearly a N-C. He is only interested in reading
postings which support his ridiculous ideas. Anyone who disagrees is
dismissed or insulted. Reminds me of someone else..................
On Mar 20, 8:44 pm, The Webby <tmjiatroepide...@cox.net> wrote:
Quote: I'll sleep much better knowing that you wouldn't even consider doing
"this" yourself if it involved "TMJ treatment". Whew! I was really
worried about that part.
Why don't you tell us your real objection instead of idiotic carcastic
replies. You know, I should've said that I HOPED for intelligent
replies, but I EXPECTED retards like you two. I guess since nobody can
give me a remotely convincing reason not to, I will do it. I'll keep
everyone updated, just to satisfy you if I hurt myself, or to satisfy
myself if it works.
Not like you care. I know you'll have even worse opinions of me when I
say: Those homeopathy "crazies" are right about organized dentistry
after all. |
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