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Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 8:20 pm
Robert Shapiro has posted a general response at
the listed url below. He is the author of some of the
quoted papers we've all discussed on SBE.
Here is the top portion of his e-mail response to me
on comments I had about his paper.

Dear Mr. Hendricks,

Due to the volume of response, I have chosen to post a general
response at http://blog.sciam.com. Here I can only comment ....
Sincerely,
Robert Shapiro
Tim Tyler
Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2007 7:51 pm
Guest
``George Wald (in Scientific American in 1954) popularized the
idea that chance would eventually produce a replicator,
given the age and size of the Earth. Only one success was
needed over that period of time, and the number of failures
did not matter. Others have put forward similar arguments.
They usually cite odds of a billion to one (one in 10^9)
against the formation of a replicator made or RNA or some
related material. The age of the Earth, on the other hand is
of the order of 10^17 seconds. If several attempts at
synthesizing a replicator were to take place every second
across the face of the Earth, then sooner or later success
would be expected (a near miss would be worthless, as the
product would have no mechanism to improve its
performance—it would simply decompose). It can be argued on
chemical grounds, however, that the odds of forming an RNA
replicator are perhaps 1 in 10^50 ( the numeral one followed
by fifty zeroes) or worse. Success would then require a
"near miracle," as described in a quote cited in my article.''

- http://blog.sciam.com/index.php?title=simpler_origin_shapiro_replies

He is still as fixated as ever on the ridiculous 'RNA first' hypothesis.

No wonder he thinks replicators are not viable Sad
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John Wilkins
Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2007 12:24 pm
Guest
Tim Tyler <seemysig@cyberspace.org> wrote:

Quote:
``George Wald (in Scientific American in 1954) popularized the
idea that chance would eventually produce a replicator,
given the age and size of the Earth. Only one success was
needed over that period of time, and the number of failures
did not matter. Others have put forward similar arguments.
They usually cite odds of a billion to one (one in 10^9)
against the formation of a replicator made or RNA or some
related material. The age of the Earth, on the other hand is
of the order of 10^17 seconds. If several attempts at
synthesizing a replicator were to take place every second
across the face of the Earth, then sooner or later success
would be expected (a near miss would be worthless, as the
product would have no mechanism to improve its
performance-it would simply decompose). It can be argued on
chemical grounds, however, that the odds of forming an RNA
replicator are perhaps 1 in 10^50 ( the numeral one followed
by fifty zeroes) or worse. Success would then require a
"near miracle," as described in a quote cited in my article.''

- http://blog.sciam.com/index.php?title=simpler_origin_shapiro_replies

He is still as fixated as ever on the ridiculous 'RNA first' hypothesis.

No wonder he thinks replicators are not viable Sad

He's *responding* to the RNA first hypothesis in this passage. Do you
have any alternative replicator-first view in mind?
--
John S. Wilkins, Postdoctoral Research Fellow, Biohumanities Project
University of Queensland - Blog: scienceblogs.com/evolvingthoughts
"He used... sarcasm. He knew all the tricks, dramatic irony, metaphor,
bathos, puns, parody, litotes and... satire. He was vicious."
Tim Tyler
Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 7:59 am
Guest
John Wilkins wrote:
Quote:
Tim Tyler <seemysig@cyberspace.org> wrote:

``George Wald (in Scientific American in 1954) popularized the
idea that chance would eventually produce a replicator,
given the age and size of the Earth. Only one success was
needed over that period of time, and the number of failures
did not matter. Others have put forward similar arguments.
They usually cite odds of a billion to one (one in 10^9)
against the formation of a replicator made or RNA or some
related material. The age of the Earth, on the other hand is
of the order of 10^17 seconds. If several attempts at
synthesizing a replicator were to take place every second
across the face of the Earth, then sooner or later success
would be expected (a near miss would be worthless, as the
product would have no mechanism to improve its
performance-it would simply decompose). It can be argued on
chemical grounds, however, that the odds of forming an RNA
replicator are perhaps 1 in 10^50 ( the numeral one followed
by fifty zeroes) or worse. Success would then require a
"near miracle," as described in a quote cited in my article.''

- http://blog.sciam.com/index.php?title=simpler_origin_shapiro_replies

He is still as fixated as ever on the ridiculous 'RNA first' hypothesis.

No wonder he thinks replicators are not viable :-(

He's *responding* to the RNA first hypothesis in this passage.

He uses arguments about RNA to rule out replicators - e.g. see:

"A replicator was not involved in the origin of life."

- http://calorierestriction.org/pmid/?n=10868906

Quote:
Do you have any alternative replicator-first view in mind?

Yes: see the work of A. G. Cairns-Smith:

http://originoflife.net/cairns_smith/
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