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Rich Travsky
Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 11:40 pm
Guest
Anthony Campbell wrote:
Quote:

On 2007-02-17, Marc Verhaegen <fa204466@skynet.be> wrote:

training in athletes can causes cardial arrhythmias and sudden death.
J.Ector cs.2007 "Reduced right ventricular ejection fraction in endurance
athletes presenting with ventricular arrhythmias: a quantitative
angiographic assessment" Eur.Heart J.28:183-189.



This reference is wrong; it is to an article called:

"Evaluation of a radiation protection cabin for invasive
electrophysiological procedures"

Smile Smile
Marc Verhaegen
Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2007 9:40 am
Guest
Op 19-03-2007 05:40, in artikel 45FE144D.1C7A14DA@hotmMOVEail.com, Rich
Travsky <traRvEsky@hotmMOVEail.com> schreef:

Quote:
Anthony Campbell wrote:

On 2007-02-17, Marc Verhaegen <fa204466@skynet.be> wrote:

training in athletes can causes cardial arrhythmias and sudden death.
J.Ector cs.2007 "Reduced right ventricular ejection fraction in endurance
athletes presenting with ventricular arrhythmias: a quantitative
angiographic assessment" Eur.Heart J.28:183-189.

This reference is wrong; it is to an article called:
"Evaluation of a radiation protection cabin for invasive
electrophysiological procedures"

:) Smile

And of course Travsky isn't smart enough the find the correct paper...
I could have thought...

:) Smile
Marc Verhaegen
Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2007 9:43 am
Guest
Op 19-03-2007 05:39, in artikel 45FE141D.635F8A26@hotmMOVEail.com, Rich
Travsky <traRvEsky@hotmMOVEail.com> schreef:

Quote:
Marc Verhaegen wrote:

"Rich Travsky" <traRvEsky@hotmMOVEail.com> wrote in message
news:45BD774C.667AAB65@hotmMOVEail.com...
Marc Verhaegen wrote:

"Rich Travsky" <traRvEsky@hotmMOVEail.com> wrote in message
news:458B5CEC.A6CE478B@hotmMOVEail.com...

Somebody sent this to AAT http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AAT but I
think
this
sort of "discussions" are more suited for s.a.p [some comments between
brackets --MV]

Quoted in Natural History Magazine, Decmber 2006-January 2007
(http://www.naturalhistorymag.com/). Click on Online Extras -
Samplings to view:
Running Man
Couch potatoes may disagree, but people are fairly well built to run
in the heat.["people"?? A adult young men of a few remote
populations,
they mean?]

Marthons. Millions run in them and shorter races.

The first one who ran the marathon dropped dead... :-D

And the first one in the water probably drowned :-D

Yes, my boy, not unlikely: most aquatic mammals ultimately drown. Smile
But they don't drown with their first long swim...

We sweat more per unit of body surface area than any
other animal, [Yes, never seen in cursorial mammals: it's a waste of
water+sodium: as Montagna said, "a real physiological blunder"]
and our upright posture exposes less body surface to
the sun than would walking on all fours, [yes, that's why all
cursorial
animals walk on all twos... Very Happy The upright/shadow "argument"
goes
back
to Lee 1950 (Schmidt-Nielsen "Desert animals"), but it holds only if
you
stand still & completely vertical at 12 o'clock... Nobody hunts
"upright",
of course: it's the best way to alarm your prey...)
and more surface to the
cooling wind. ["cooling" wind in "heat" where air temperatures at
midday
far exceed 37°C??]

When you run, you generate air flow.

:-D
Enough nonsense.

Just because you don't exercise doesn't mean no one else doesn't...

Apparently you are unaware that recent research suggests that endurance
training in athletes can causes cardial arrhythmias and sudden death.
J.Ector cs.2007 "Reduced right ventricular ejection fraction in endurance
athletes presenting with ventricular arrhythmias: a quantitative
angiographic assessment" Eur.Heart J.28:183-189.

Apparently you're unaware they had a sample size of only 47. There's
considerably
more than 47 in these pictures


http://www.marathonsinternational.com/

http://www.marathonsinternational.com/images/mainimage.jpg

http://graphics.boston.com/bonzai-fba/AP_Photo/2005/04/18/1113847213_7503.jpg

http://www.limebooks.co.uk/f/marathon_l.jpg

http://daysof47.com:8080/plone/events-2006/images/marathon-10k.jpg

Yes. So? And?
The point is not whether human can run.
The point, my boy, is whether humans had waterside ancestors or ancestors
running over your savanna.p
Inform a little bit before jumping in with irrelevancies:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AAT
AAT = shoreline adaptations of the genus Homo
* Aquatic Ape Theory of human evolution (original term Morgan 1982)
* Aquarboreal Apes Theory of Mio-Pliocene apes (aqua=water, arbor=tree)
* Amphibious Ancestors Theory of Plio-Pleistocene Homo (AAT strict sense)
AAT s.s. is based on the behavior-anatomy-physiology-DNA of living humans
vs. chimps & other animals. Sea/lake-side ancestors collecting coconuts,
fruits, bird eggs, turtles, shell-, crayfish, algae etc. explains unique
Homo traits (not seen in apes or australopiths) better than plains- or
forest-dwelling : brain size, diving skills, breath control, vocality, small
mouth & chewing muscles, tongue bone descent, longer airway, projecting
nose, poor sense of smell, handiness, tool use, late puberty, long legs,
aligned body, poor climbing, fur loss, fatness, high needs of water, sodium,
iodine & poly-unsaturated fatty acids etc.
Homo & Pan split ~6-4 Ma. In spite of sea level fluctuations (difficult
fossilisation), Homo tools/fossils 2.5-0.1 Ma are found near Rift valley
lakes, Indian Ocean & African coasts : Mojokerto, Dungo V Baia Farta, Terra
Amata, Table Bay, Eritrea etc. (18 km sea crossing to reach Flores
http://allserv.rug.ac.be/~mvaneech/outthere.htm ). Most likely, Homo
populations dispersed along coasts & rivers, in savannas & elsewhere.
* Max Westenhöfer 1942 "Der Eigenweg des Menschen" Mannstaede
* Alister Hardy 1960 "Was Man more aquatic in the past?" NS 7:624
* Maggie Roede cs. 1991 "The Aquatic Ape: Fact or Fiction?" Souvenir
* Elaine Morgan 1997 "The Aquatic Ape Hypothesis" Souvenir London
* Marc Verhaegen cs. 2002 "Aquarboreal ancestors?" TREE 17:212
* Stephen Cunnane 2005 "Survival of the Fattest" World Scientific
http://allserv.rug.ac.be/~mvaneech/Symposium.html
http://allserv.rug.ac.be/~mvaneech/Verhaegen.html
<http://allserv.rug.ac.be/~mvaneech/Verhaegen.html>
 
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