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Pramesh Rutajit
Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2007 8:13 pm
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TC wrote:

Quote:
On Feb 22, 8:38 am, Enrico C <use_replyto_addr...@devils.com> wrote:
On 16 Feb 2007 07:18:19 -0800, TC wrote:

Interesting post. I would've thought that the high fat sausages
would've clogged his arteries in no time flat.

And that the high-carb waffles, made with flour and served with maple
syrup, would've caused diabetes...? ;-D

I've always wondered....

If fatty foods clog arteries (ie. blood vessels).... would it not clog
smaller blood vessels as well as the heart vessels? The heart vessels,
being the largest blood vessels in the body, would they not be the
last to clog? Kinda like a sieve, the larger holes would remain clear
while the smaller ones clog up first.

Anybody got an answer ot this question?

TC

The Inuit Paradox
How can people who gorge on fat and rarely see a vegetable be healthier than
we are?
http://www.discover.com/issues/oct-04/features/inuit-paradox/

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Pramesh Rutajit - p2976221tongue@newsguy.com - remove tongue to reply.
Szczepan Bialek
Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2007 4:15 am
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"TC" <tunderbar@hotmail.com> wrote
news:1172179392.400888.102120@t69g2000cwt.googlegroups.com...
Quote:
On Feb 22, 8:38 am, Enrico C <use_replyto_addr...@devils.com> wrote:
On 16 Feb 2007 07:18:19 -0800, TC wrote:

Interesting post. I would've thought that the high fat sausages
would've clogged his arteries in no time flat.

And that the high-carb waffles, made with flour and served with maple
syrup, would've caused diabetes...? ;-D

I've always wondered....

If fatty foods clog arteries (ie. blood vessels).... would it not clog
smaller blood vessels as well as the heart vessels? The heart vessels,
being the largest blood vessels in the body, would they not be the
last to clog? Kinda like a sieve, the larger holes would remain clear
while the smaller ones clog up first.

Anybody got an answer ot this question?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Optimal_Diet

S*
Leonardo
Posted: Sun Feb 25, 2007 7:45 pm
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On Feb 17, 9:41 am, spamf...@spam.heaven wrote:
Quote:

And the point is that clogged arteries are mostly genetic, a mechanism
that you deny exists AND ....


It exists alright.

My wife eats a higher-fat diet, her blood pressure is 120/65 and her
cholesterol is normal. I got off my normal diet for a while and have
been eating more like her. Now my cholesterol level is elevated. The
doctor said diet alone should bring it back to the normal range. So
its back to my old way of eating for good, which would be described as
a Mediterranean type diet, fruits, vegetables, grains, legumes and
modest amounts of meat (mostly fish and seafood).
TC
Posted: Mon Feb 26, 2007 11:36 am
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On Feb 22, 5:03 pm, "Jeff" <n...@googlemail.com> wrote:
Quote:
"TC" <tunder...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

news:1172179392.400888.102120@t69g2000cwt.googlegroups.com...
...

I've always wondered....

If fatty foods clog arteries (ie. blood vessels).... would it not clog
smaller blood vessels as well as the heart vessels? The heart vessels,
being the largest blood vessels in the body, would they not be the
last to clog? Kinda like a sieve, the larger holes would remain clear
while the smaller ones clog up first.

Actually, blood vessels in all areas of the body clog up. People who have
heart disease often have problems with circulation in the legs, the brain
(which is why people with heart disease have more strokes than those who
don't), kidneys, e.tc.

While the aorta is the largest blood vessel, it is the coronary arteries
which clog up. They are much smaller and only provide blood to the heart,
not the whole body as the aorta does.

Excellent question, TC.

Jeff

What about veins and capillaries? They are much smaller than the
coronary arteries? Should they not clog up way before the coronary
arteries? Shouldn't people first show symptoms of these vessels
clogging way before the larger coronary arteries show signs? For many,
many people, the first sign of any problems at all with fat clogged
vessels is angina, not leg or brain circulation. This seems obvious.
The smaller vessels, ie. veins and capillaries should clog way before
the larger arteries do. Especially the capillaries. Then the next
logical step is that those areas with the greatest concemtration of
capillaries should be the first obvious areas to show signs of
cloggage. Like the lungs and the stomach.

The smaller the hole, the easier it should be to clog. Why are larger
holes the first and sometimes the only one to clog?

TC
Z
Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 7:23 pm
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In article <1172504166.866494.40770@8g2000cwh.googlegroups.com>,
tunderbar@hotmail.com says...
Quote:
What about veins and capillaries? They are much smaller than the
coronary arteries? Should they not clog up way before the coronary
arteries? Shouldn't people first show symptoms of these vessels
clogging way before the larger coronary arteries show signs? For many,
many people, the first sign of any problems at all with fat clogged
vessels is angina, not leg or brain circulation. This seems obvious.
The smaller vessels, ie. veins and capillaries should clog way before
the larger arteries do. Especially the capillaries. Then the next
logical step is that those areas with the greatest concemtration of
capillaries should be the first obvious areas to show signs of
cloggage. Like the lungs and the stomach.

The smaller the hole, the easier it should be to clog. Why are larger
holes the first and sometimes the only one to clog?

TC

Well, I'm no doctor, but the answer seems obvious to me.

Clogged blood vessels are primarily the result of (gradual) excessive
buildup of cholesterol. Not the result of a huge blob of cholesterol
getting stuck in a too-small vessel (as your msg seems to imply).

BUT, normally, cholesterol doesn't stick to the interior surface of
healthy blood vessels. When the surface of a blood vessel is damaged,
it tends to collect cholesterol. Smaller blood vessels like capillaries
are more flexible than major arteries (simple material dynamics) and are
less likely to experience flexion damage. (They can bend more without
being damaged.)

On the other hand, larger vessels are less flexible. When you talk
about vessels that are flexed constantly for years on end like coronary
arteries, they are more likely than most to gradually accumulate micro-
damage that allows the cholesterol to bind at those sites.

.... Jolest
TC
Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 7:48 pm
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On Mar 4, 5:23 pm, Z <n8ihgv...@sneakemail.com> wrote:
Quote:
In article <1172504166.866494.40...@8g2000cwh.googlegroups.com>,
tunder...@hotmail.com says...





What about veins and capillaries? They are much smaller than the
coronary arteries? Should they not clog up way before the coronary
arteries? Shouldn't people first show symptoms of these vessels
clogging way before the larger coronary arteries show signs? For many,
many people, the first sign of any problems at all with fat clogged
vessels is angina, not leg or brain circulation. This seems obvious.
The smaller vessels, ie. veins and capillaries should clog way before
the larger arteries do. Especially the capillaries. Then the next
logical step is that those areas with the greatest concemtration of
capillaries should be the first obvious areas to show signs of
cloggage. Like the lungs and the stomach.

The smaller the hole, the easier it should be to clog. Why are larger
holes the first and sometimes the only one to clog?

TC

Well, I'm no doctor, but the answer seems obvious to me.

Clogged blood vessels are primarily the result of (gradual) excessive
buildup of cholesterol. Not the result of a huge blob of cholesterol
getting stuck in a too-small vessel (as your msg seems to imply).

BUT, normally, cholesterol doesn't stick to the interior surface of
healthy blood vessels. When the surface of a blood vessel is damaged,
it tends to collect cholesterol. Smaller blood vessels like capillaries
are more flexible than major arteries (simple material dynamics) and are
less likely to experience flexion damage. (They can bend more without
being damaged.)

On the other hand, larger vessels are less flexible. When you talk
about vessels that are flexed constantly for years on end like coronary
arteries, they are more likely than most to gradually accumulate micro-
damage that allows the cholesterol to bind at those sites.

... Jolest- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

You're getting close. Very close. Cholesterol gathering at those
locations are attempts at repairing damage from elevated blood glucose
and dietary vitamin deficiencies. The deficiencies leads to the
vessels walls becoming structural damaged and pitted. The cause is not
cholesterol in the diet. It is nutritional deficencies.

TC
 
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