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| Rich Grise |
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On Tue, 27 Feb 2007 23:21:19 +0000, Chris Jones wrote:
Quote: Jim Thompson wrote:
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Pick any kid on the street and ask them to answer...
1/3 + 1/4 + 1/5 + 1/6 = ?
My bet is most kids AND adults can't solve it without a calculator :-(
I don't think that the manipulation of figures is as important as the
understanding of mathematical concepts.
Speaking of this, there's a pretty cool show on PBS, called "Cyberchase".
It seems to be targeted at pre-schoolers:
http://pbskids.org/cyberchase/basic.html
These three kids go on adventures in "Cyber Space", where their mission
is to rescue Mother Board from the machinations of The Hacker, voiced
by Christopher Lloyd; the kids have a cyber-partner, called Digit, who's
kind of a robot bird, voiced by Gilbert Gottfried.
Anyway, in these kids' adventures, they're confronted by various simple
math problems - it's edjamacashunal without letting the kids know that
they're being taught stuff. That is, nobody says, "It's a math problem",
but "we have to figure out how to use these things (there's always
exactly the right materials lying about) to get to our goal", as it were.
And each episode is kind of devoted to one or more basic concepts, like
symmetry, or multiplication or division, and some geometry "Wow! The
angle when it bounces off is the same angle that the puck hit the wall
at!" and _use_ this new knowledge to accomplish their larger mission.
And heck, I even like watching it myself - maybe that's just my Inner
Child, but when I think of kids watching a cartoon show and learning stuff
by accident, I almost emote. :-)
Maybe call it "Stealth Educational TeeVee". ;-)
Cheers!
Rich |
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| Chuck Harris |
| Posted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 11:03 pm |
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Jim Thompson wrote:
Quote: On 27 Feb 2007 14:09:22 -0800, "JeffM" <jeffm_@email.com> wrote:
Jim Thompson wrote:
But I was looking for statistics... for example,
what percentage of the population actually need Algebra?
Geometry? Calculus?
I'm of the old old school... highest math in High School
was Solid Geometry, but I did just ducky at MIT...
5 semesters of Calculus (thru Tensors) ;-)
My argument is that we don't need more math topics,
we need more math intensity... practice makes perfect.
I hearing you say that you took SOME kind of math
each year you were in school and kept things honed.
Yes.
Pick any kid on the street and ask them to answer...
1/3 + 1/4 + 1/5 + 1/6 = ?
Well, I don't always carry a pencil with me on the street
and I needed one to keep the tally. 8-)
Now-a-days, kids don't even know their multiplication tables ;-)
...Jim Thompson
They sure do in Montgomery County, Maryland! They are required
to know them out to 13. We only had to do 10.
-Chuck |
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| Chuck Harris |
| Posted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 11:09 pm |
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Joerg wrote:
Quote: Jim Thompson wrote:
Our roofer was great, did top notch work. However, he underestimated the
(rather expensive) material by four yards or about 10%. Ok, it's a very
intricate roof. But I guess geometry wasn't their strength.
He probably forgot to allow for waste that naturally occurs in cutting.
Since your roof was pretty intricate, he probably should have increased the
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| Jim Thompson |
| Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 12:25 pm |
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On Tue, 27 Feb 2007 22:03:08 -0500, Chuck Harris
<cf-NO-SPAM-harris@erols.com> wrote:
Quote: Jim Thompson wrote:
On 27 Feb 2007 14:09:22 -0800, "JeffM" <jeffm_@email.com> wrote:
Jim Thompson wrote:
But I was looking for statistics... for example,
what percentage of the population actually need Algebra?
Geometry? Calculus?
I'm of the old old school... highest math in High School
was Solid Geometry, but I did just ducky at MIT...
5 semesters of Calculus (thru Tensors) ;-)
My argument is that we don't need more math topics,
we need more math intensity... practice makes perfect.
I hearing you say that you took SOME kind of math
each year you were in school and kept things honed.
Yes.
Pick any kid on the street and ask them to answer...
1/3 + 1/4 + 1/5 + 1/6 = ?
Well, I don't always carry a pencil with me on the street
and I needed one to keep the tally. 8-)
Now-a-days, kids don't even know their multiplication tables ;-)
...Jim Thompson
They sure do in Montgomery County, Maryland! They are required
to know them out to 13. We only had to do 10.
-Chuck
Unfortunately that's rare :-(
...Jim Thompson
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| Joerg |
| Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 2:46 pm |
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Chuck Harris wrote:
Quote: Joerg wrote:
Jim Thompson wrote:
Our roofer was great, did top notch work. However, he underestimated
the (rather expensive) material by four yards or about 10%. Ok, it's a
very intricate roof. But I guess geometry wasn't their strength.
He probably forgot to allow for waste that naturally occurs in cutting.
Since your roof was pretty intricate, he probably should have increased the
waste allowance.
Well, yeah, but that requires a good dose of math considering the
extremely flared gables here.
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Regards, Joerg
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| martin griffith |
| Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 3:04 pm |
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On Tue, 27 Feb 2007 21:41:07 +0000, in sci.electronics.design Eeyore
<rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:
Quote:
Jim Thompson wrote:
"Richard Henry" <pomerado@hotmail.com> wrote:
Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...@My-Web-Site.com> wrote:
I'm looking for statistics that show what percentage of the population
is involved in each job type.
For instance, what percentage are electrical engineers, what
percentage are working as store clerks, what percentage are burger
flippers, etc.
I have surfed myself into all kinds of crap, but not what I want.
Suggestions?
Something for the newspaper column?
Where you should go for the data will depend on what conclusion you
are trying to justify.
The column will address a local controversy about how much math should
be offered at the High School level.
My suspicions are that very few High School graduates need much more
than how to make change.
But I was looking for statistics... for example, what percentage of
the population actually need Algebra? Geometry? Calculus?
LMAO !
They don't teach that old stuff any more. Instead they teach sets and matrices.
You're so out of touch Jim !
Has anyone ever found a use for these btw ?
Graham
this might be more rewarding
http://www.skepdic.com/rumpology.html
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| Joel Kolstad |
| Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 4:08 pm |
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"Jim Thompson" <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@My-Web-Site.com> wrote in
message news:clg9u2dr3oirr0hk1rga7bvq498teksmud@4ax.com...
Quote: On Tue, 27 Feb 2007 23:21:19 +0000, Chris Jones
You are indeed a dreamer. Go into Fry's Electronics. Examine the IQ
of the check-out staff. Then tell me if these people should even be
allowed to vote 
When I was a kid the local Radio Shack was generally staffed by "long time"
employees who didn't necessarily know much about electronics, but they did
know their stock quite well, and college kids in electrical engineering.
These days it's just like Fry's... plenty of high-school and college kids, but
generally not interested in electronics and ill-informed about their stock.
Occasionally you find one who's really into, say, PC gaming, though, and at
least could tell you what a decent motherboard or video card is.  |
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| Rich Grise |
| Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 11:06 pm |
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On Tue, 27 Feb 2007 21:41:07 +0000, Eeyore wrote:
Quote: Jim Thompson wrote:
"Richard Henry" <pomerado@hotmail.com> wrote:
Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...@My-Web-Site.com> wrote:
I'm looking for statistics that show what percentage of the population
is involved in each job type.
For instance, what percentage are electrical engineers, what
percentage are working as store clerks, what percentage are burger
flippers, etc.
I have surfed myself into all kinds of crap, but not what I want.
Suggestions?
Something for the newspaper column?
Where you should go for the data will depend on what conclusion you
are trying to justify.
The column will address a local controversy about how much math should
be offered at the High School level.
My suspicions are that very few High School graduates need much more
than how to make change.
But I was looking for statistics... for example, what percentage of
the population actually need Algebra? Geometry? Calculus?
LMAO !
They don't teach that old stuff any more. Instead they teach sets and matrices.
You're so out of touch Jim !
Has anyone ever found a use for these btw ?
http://www.lyricsdir.com/tom-lehrer-new-math-lyrics.html
Cheers!
Rich |
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