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| Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD |
 Posted: Sat Feb 10, 2007 5:50 am |
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convicted neighbor Kumar wrote:
"May not be overnourished in all nutients in foods inspite
overeating.."
Where there is overeating, there is an overabundance of all nutrients.
The truth is absolute and invincible.
"I am the way, the truth, and the life..." -- LORD Jesus Christ
Amen ! Laus Deo ! ! ! Marana tha ! ! ! ! ! ! !
Clearly you remain convicted by the Holy Spirit:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts
May you wisely choose to surrender to HIM by publicly confessing with
your mouth that "Jesus is LORD:"
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/TheWay
Andrew <><
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http://EmoryCardiology.com |
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| Kumar |
| Posted: Sat Feb 10, 2007 6:37 am |
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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
few but eating all...so overabundance of few or all nutrients ?
Instabilities can mean such thing. Unintentional abnormal Weight gain,
stay constant or weight loss related to simultaneous weakness,
wastings etc. indicative.
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| Posted: Sat Feb 10, 2007 10:48 am |
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"Where there is overeating, there is an overabundance of all nutrients."
"All" nutrients, what about the overeating person with a vit/min intake
not up to par? It is this kind of over generalized nonsense which is
the mark of a sloppy thinker and/or one driven by a non-scientific
agenda.
One can easily overeat on the two pound diet and have a subpar nutrient
nutrition profile, consider two pounds of lard. |
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| kumar |
| Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 5:29 am |
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anonymous@nowhere.you.know wrote:
Quote: "Where there is overeating, there is an overabundance of all nutrients."
"All" nutrients, what about the overeating person with a vit/min intake
not up to par? It is this kind of over generalized nonsense which is
the mark of a sloppy thinker and/or one driven by a non-scientific
agenda.
One can easily overeat on the two pound diet and have a subpar nutrient
nutrition profile, consider two pounds of lard.
I think diabetics2 suffer from binge eating disorder as interpreted on
following link;Binge eating disorder is a psychiatric disorder in
which a subject:
"Binge eating disorder
Binge eating disorder is a **psychiatric** disorder in which a subject
periodically does not exercise control over consumption of food
eats an unusually large amount of food at one time, like a whole
pizza
eats much more quickly during binge episodes than during normal eating
episodes
eats until physically uncomfortable
eats large amounts of food, even when they are not really hungry
always eats alone during binge eating episodes, in order to avoid
discovery of the disorder
often eats alone during periods of normal eating, owing to feelings of
embarrassment about food
feels disgusted, depressed, or guilty after binge eating
Binge eating disorder is not the most common eating disorder. It is
the third most dangerous eating disorder. Most people with this
problem are either overweight or obese (discussed below), but people
of normal weight can also have the disorder.
Complications
People with binge eating disorder can get sick because they may not be
getting the right nutrients. They usually eat large amounts of fats
and sugars, which don't have a lot of vitamins or minerals.
People with binge eating disorder are usually very upset by their
binge eating and may become very depressed.
People who are obese and also have binge eating disorder are at risk
for type 2 diabetes, high blood pressure, high blood cholesterol,
levels, gallbladder disease, heart disease, certain types of cancer.
Most people with binge eating disorder have tried to control it on
their own, but have not been able to control it for very long. Some
people miss work, school, or social activities to binge eat. Persons
who are obese with binge eating disorder often feel bad about
themselves and may avoid social gatherings.
Most people who binge eat, whether they are obese or not, feel ashamed
and try to hide their problem. Often they become so good at hiding it
that even close friends and family members don't know they binge eat.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binge_eating_disorder
"Hunger;
Hunger is a feeling experienced when the glycogen level of the liver
falls below a threshold, usually followed by a desire to eat. The
usually unpleasant feeling originates in the hypothalamus and is
released through receptors in the liver. Although an average nourished
human can survive about 50 days without food intake [1], the sensation
of hunger typically begins after several hours without eating.
Hunger can also be applied metaphorically to cravings of other sorts,
e.g. "hungry for victory."
Satiety
A young girl experiencing the feeling of satiety after a mealSatiety,
or the feeling of fullness and disappearance of appetite after a meal,
is a process mediated by the ventromedial nucleus in the hypothalamus.
It is therefore the "satiety centre".
Various hormones, first of all cholecystokinin, have been implicated
in conveying the feeling of satiety to the brain. Leptin increases on
satiety, while ghrelin increases when the stomach is empty.
Therefore, satiety refers to the psychological feeling of "fullness"
or satisfaction rather than to the physical feeling of being engorged,
i.e. the feeling of physical fullness after eating a very large meal.
Satiety directly influences feelings of appetite that are generated in
the limbic system, and hunger that is controlled by neurohormones,
especially serotonin in the lateral hypothalamus.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunger |
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| Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD |
| Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 10:06 pm |
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convicted neighbor Kumar wrote:
Those who believe that they could possibly be undernourished while
overeating are suffering from a great delusion arising from the false
belief that "hunger is bad."
Quote: Probably, we may be needing one/
few but eating all...so overabundance of few or all nutrients ?
Deficiencies of one or more nutrients leads to a loss of the hunger
that drives the brainwashed to overeat.
Quote: Instabilities can mean such thing. Unintentional abnormal Weight gain,
stay constant or weight loss related to simultaneous weakness,
wastings etc. indicative.
Overeating does not arise from instabilities.
Someone who is unstable (ie dying) will not be hungry.
Quote: The truth is absolute and invincible.
"I am the way, the truth, and the life..." -- LORD Jesus Christ
Amen ! Laus Deo ! ! ! Marana tha ! ! ! ! ! ! !
Clearly you remain convicted by the Holy Spirit:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts
May you wisely choose to surrender to HIM by publicly confessing with
your mouth that "Jesus is LORD:"
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/TheWay
Andrew <><
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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
http://EmoryCardiology.com |
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| kumar |
| Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2007 11:44 pm |
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On Feb 17, 7:06 am, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <l...@thetruth.com>
wrote:
Quote: convicted neighbor Kumar wrote:
Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
convicted neighbor Kumar wrote:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/6d728ff9844134d2?
"May not be overnourished in all nutients in foods inspite
overeating.."
Where there is overeating, there is an overabundance of all nutrients.
It may depend on what you are eating.
Those who believe that they could possibly be undernourished while
overeating are suffering from a great delusion arising from the false
belief that "hunger is bad."
Can any same thing be valid for all? Can't there be personality or
individual differences?
Quote: Probably, we may be needing one/
few but eating all...so overabundance of few or all nutrients ?
Deficiencies of one or more nutrients leads to a loss of the hunger
that drives the brainwashed to overeat.
If insulin is lacking or bot working properly as in IR, will it cause
defficiencies to cells resulting loss of hunger so lesser eatings?
Quote: Instabilities can mean such thing. Unintentional abnormal Weight gain,
stay constant or weight loss related to simultaneous weakness,
wastings etc. indicative.
Overeating does not arise from instabilities.
Someone who is unstable (ie dying) will not be hungry.
As such, a person with defficient and impaired insulin/metabolism will
be lesser hungry that a person with more?
Quote: The truth is absolute and invincible.
"I am the way, the truth, and the life..." -- LORD Jesus Christ
Amen ! Laus Deo ! ! ! Marana tha ! ! ! ! ! ! !
Clearly you remain convicted by the Holy Spirit:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts
May you wisely choose to surrender to HIM by publicly confessing with
your mouth that "Jesus is LORD:"
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/TheWay
Andrew
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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhDhttp://EmoryCardiology.com |
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| Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD |
| Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 11:49 am |
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convicted neighbor kumar wrote:
Quote: Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
convicted neighbor Kumar wrote:
Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
convicted neighbor Kumar wrote:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/6d728ff9844134d2?
"May not be overnourished in all nutients in foods inspite
overeating.."
Where there is overeating, there is an overabundance of all nutrients.
It may depend on what you are eating.
Those who believe that they could possibly be undernourished while
overeating are suffering from a great delusion arising from the false
belief that "hunger is bad."
Can any same thing be valid for all?
Only for that which strays from to the truth, Who is LORD Jesus
Christ.
Quote: Can't there be personality or individual differences?
Delusion is not a difference in either personality or character.
Quote: Probably, we may be needing one/
few but eating all...so overabundance of few or all nutrients ?
Deficiencies of one or more nutrients leads to a loss of the hunger
that drives the brainwashed to overeat.
If insulin is lacking or bot working properly as in IR, will it cause
defficiencies to cells resulting loss of hunger so lesser eatings?
Insulin resistance (IR) does not happen except when there has been
glucose excess, which does not result in loss of hunger.
Quote: Instabilities can mean such thing. Unintentional abnormal Weight gain,
stay constant or weight loss related to simultaneous weakness,
wastings etc. indicative.
Overeating does not arise from instabilities.
Someone who is unstable (ie dying) will not be hungry.
As such, a person with defficient and impaired insulin/metabolism will
be lesser hungry that a person with more?
A person with VAT will be less hungry because s/he will be less
healthy.
Quote: The truth is absolute and invincible.
"I am the way, the truth, and the life..." -- LORD Jesus Christ
Amen ! Laus Deo ! ! ! Marana tha ! ! ! ! ! ! !
Clearly you remain convicted by the Holy Spirit:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts
May you wisely choose to surrender to HIM by publicly confessing with
your mouth that "Jesus is LORD:"
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/TheWay
Andrew <><
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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
http://EmoryCardiology.com |
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| Kumar |
| Posted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 12:27 am |
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On Feb 19, 8:49 pm, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
<ach...@emorycardiology.com> wrote:
Quote: convicted neighbor kumar wrote:
Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
convicted neighbor Kumar wrote:
Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
convicted neighbor Kumar wrote:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/6d728ff9844134d2?
"May not be overnourished in all nutients in foods inspite
overeating.."
Where there is overeating, there is an overabundance of all nutrients.
It may depend on what you are eating.
Those who believe that they could possibly be undernourished while
overeating are suffering from a great delusion arising from the false
belief that "hunger is bad."
Can any same thing be valid for all?
Only for that which strays from to the truth, Who is LORD Jesus
Christ.
Can't there be personality or individual differences?
Delusion is not a difference in either personality or character.
Probably, we may be needing one/
few but eating all...so overabundance of few or all nutrients ?
Deficiencies of one or more nutrients leads to a loss of the hunger
that drives the brainwashed to overeat.
If insulin is lacking or bot working properly as in IR, will it cause
defficiencies to cells resulting loss of hunger so lesser eatings?
Insulin resistance (IR) does not happen except when there has been
glucose excess, which does not result in loss of hunger.
If a person don't lose hunger inspite of glucose excess, is it defect
in god's design?
Quote: Instabilities can mean such thing. Unintentional abnormal Weight gain,
stay constant or weight loss related to simultaneous weakness,
wastings etc. indicative.
Overeating does not arise from instabilities.
Someone who is unstable (ie dying) will not be hungry.
As such, a person with defficient and impaired insulin/metabolism will
be lesser hungry that a person with more?
A person with VAT will be less hungry because s/he will be less
healthy.
Still he overeat?
The truth is absolute and invincible.
"I am the way, the truth, and the life..." -- LORD Jesus Christ
Amen ! Laus Deo ! ! ! Marana tha ! ! ! ! ! ! !
Clearly you remain convicted by the Holy Spirit:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts
May you wisely choose to surrender to HIM by publicly confessing with
your mouth that "Jesus is LORD:"
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/TheWay
Andrew
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| Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD |
| Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2007 1:11 pm |
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convicted neighbor Kumar wrote:
Quote: Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
convicted neighbor kumar wrote:
Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
convicted neighbor Kumar wrote:
Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
convicted neighbor Kumar wrote:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/6d728ff9844134d2?
"May not be overnourished in all nutients in foods inspite
overeating.."
Where there is overeating, there is an overabundance of all nutrients.
It may depend on what you are eating.
Those who believe that they could possibly be undernourished while
overeating are suffering from a great delusion arising from the false
belief that "hunger is bad."
Can any same thing be valid for all?
Only for that which strays from the truth, Who is LORD Jesus
Christ.
Can't there be personality or individual differences?
Delusion is not a difference in either personality or character.
Probably, we may be needing one/
few but eating all...so overabundance of few or all nutrients ?
Deficiencies of one or more nutrients leads to a loss of the hunger
that drives the brainwashed to overeat.
If insulin is lacking or bot working properly as in IR, will it cause
defficiencies to cells resulting loss of hunger so lesser eatings?
Insulin resistance (IR) does not happen except when there has been
glucose excess, which does not result in loss of hunger.
If a person don't lose hunger inspite of glucose excess, is it defect
in god's design?
No. If a person were to lose his/her hunger as soon as there is
hyperglycemia, then this person would be unable to eat enough.
Quote: Instabilities can mean such thing. Unintentional abnormal Weight gain,
stay constant or weight loss related to simultaneous weakness,
wastings etc. indicative.
Overeating does not arise from instabilities.
Someone who is unstable (ie dying) will not be hungry.
As such, a person with defficient and impaired insulin/metabolism will
be lesser hungry that a person with more?
A person with VAT will be less hungry because s/he will be less
healthy.
Still he overeat?
Only if he still falsely believes that "hunger is bad."
This false belief does lead to the irrational behavior of eating until
all hunger/appetite is gone and even possibly until there is even pain/
discomfort.
Quote: The truth is absolute and invincible.
"I am the way, the truth, and the life..." -- LORD Jesus Christ
Amen ! Laus Deo ! ! ! Marana tha ! ! ! ! ! ! !
Clearly you remain convicted by the Holy Spirit:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts
May you wisely choose to surrender to HIM by publicly confessing with
your mouth that "Jesus is LORD:"
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/TheWay
Andrew <><
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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
http://EmoryCardiology.com |
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| kumar |
| Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2007 10:41 pm |
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On Feb 22, 10:11 pm, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <l...@thetruth.com>
wrote:
Quote: convicted neighbor Kumar wrote:
Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
convicted neighbor kumar wrote:
Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
convicted neighbor Kumar wrote:
Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
convicted neighbor Kumar wrote:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/6d728ff9844134d2?
"May not be overnourished in all nutients in foods inspite
overeating.."
Where there is overeating, there is an overabundance of all nutrients.
It may depend on what you are eating.
Those who believe that they could possibly be undernourished while
overeating are suffering from a great delusion arising from the false
belief that "hunger is bad."
Can any same thing be valid for all?
Only for that which strays from the truth, Who is LORD Jesus
Christ.
Can't there be personality or individual differences?
Delusion is not a difference in either personality or character.
Probably, we may be needing one/
few but eating all...so overabundance of few or all nutrients ?
Deficiencies of one or more nutrients leads to a loss of the hunger
that drives the brainwashed to overeat.
If insulin is lacking or bot working properly as in IR, will it cause
defficiencies to cells resulting loss of hunger so lesser eatings?
Insulin resistance (IR) does not happen except when there has been
glucose excess, which does not result in loss of hunger.
If a person don't lose hunger inspite of glucose excess, is it defect
in god's design?
No. If a person were to lose his/her hunger as soon as there is
hyperglycemia, then this person would be unable to eat enough.
Can getting hunger inspite of persisting hyperglycemia be a disorder?
Whether breakdown of energy stores promote loss of hunger?
Quote: Instabilities can mean such thing. Unintentional abnormal Weight gain,
stay constant or weight loss related to simultaneous weakness,
wastings etc. indicative.
Overeating does not arise from instabilities.
Someone who is unstable (ie dying) will not be hungry.
As such, a person with defficient and impaired insulin/metabolism will
be lesser hungry that a person with more?
A person with VAT will be less hungry because s/he will be less
healthy.
Still he overeat?
Only if he still falsely believes that "hunger is bad."
If mediating decreased/resisted break down of energy stores by added
insulin is wrong?
Quote: This false belief does lead to the irrational behavior of eating until
all hunger/appetite is gone and even possibly until there is even pain/
discomfort.
The truth is absolute and invincible.
"I am the way, the truth, and the life..." -- LORD Jesus Christ
Amen ! Laus Deo ! ! ! Marana tha ! ! ! ! ! ! !
Clearly you remain convicted by the Holy Spirit:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts
May you wisely choose to surrender to HIM by publicly confessing with
your mouth that "Jesus is LORD:"
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/TheWay
Andrew
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| Posted: Sun Feb 25, 2007 6:50 am |
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On Feb 25, 12:15 am, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
<ach...@emorycardiology.com> wrote:
Quote: convicted neighbor kumar wrote:
Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
convicted neighbor Kumar wrote:
Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
convicted neighbor kumar wrote:
Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
convicted neighbor Kumar wrote:
Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
convicted neighbor Kumar wrote:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/6d728ff9844134d2?
"May not be overnourished in all nutients in foods inspite
overeating.."
Where there is overeating, there is an overabundance of all nutrients.
It may depend on what you are eating.
Those who believe that they could possibly be undernourished while
overeating are suffering from a great delusion arising from the false
belief that "hunger is bad."
Can any same thing be valid for all?
Only for that which strays from the truth, Who is LORD Jesus
Christ.
Can't there be personality or individual differences?
Delusion is not a difference in either personality or character.
Probably, we may be needing one/
few but eating all...so overabundance of few or all nutrients ?
Deficiencies of one or more nutrients leads to a loss of the hunger
that drives the brainwashed to overeat.
If insulin is lacking or bot working properly as in IR, will it cause
defficiencies to cells resulting loss of hunger so lesser eatings?
Insulin resistance (IR) does not happen except when there has been
glucose excess, which does not result in loss of hunger.
If a person don't lose hunger inspite of glucose excess, is it defect
in god's design?
No. If a person were to lose his/her hunger as soon as there is
hyperglycemia, then this person would be unable to eat enough.
Can getting hunger inspite of persisting hyperglycemia be a disorder?
Not getting hunger in any situation is a symptom known as anorexia.
Anorexia indicates that a person is at death's door.
Whether breakdown of energy stores promote loss of hunger?
No.
Instabilities can mean such thing. Unintentional abnormal Weight gain,
stay constant or weight loss related to simultaneous weakness,
wastings etc. indicative.
Overeating does not arise from instabilities.
Someone who is unstable (ie dying) will not be hungry.
As such, a person with defficient and impaired insulin/metabolism will
be lesser hungry that a person with more?
A person with VAT will be less hungry because s/he will be less
healthy.
Still he overeat?
Only if he still falsely believes that "hunger is bad."
If mediating decreased/resisted break down of energy stores by added
insulin is wrong?
Only if it causes a loss of hunger (ie from causing hypoglycemia which
is imminent death).
Thanks.
This false belief does lead to the irrational behavior of eating until
all hunger/appetite is gone and even possibly until there is even pain/
discomfort.
The truth is absolute and invincible.
"I am the way, the truth, and the life..." -- LORD Jesus Christ
Amen ! Laus Deo ! ! ! Marana tha ! ! ! ! ! ! !
Clearly you remain convicted by the Holy Spirit:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts
May you wisely choose to surrender to HIM by publicly confessing with
your mouth that "Jesus is LORD:"
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/TheWay
Andrew
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| Posted: Mon Feb 26, 2007 2:28 pm |
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convicted neighbor Kumar wrote:
Quote: Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
convicted neighbor kumar wrote:
Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
convicted neighbor Kumar wrote:
Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
convicted neighbor kumar wrote:
Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
convicted neighbor Kumar wrote:
Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
convicted neighbor Kumar wrote:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/6d728ff9844134d2?
"May not be overnourished in all nutients in foods inspite
overeating.."
Where there is overeating, there is an overabundance of all nutrients.
It may depend on what you are eating.
Those who believe that they could possibly be undernourished while
overeating are suffering from a great delusion arising from the false
belief that "hunger is bad."
Can any same thing be valid for all?
Only for that which strays from the truth, Who is LORD Jesus
Christ.
Can't there be personality or individual differences?
Delusion is not a difference in either personality or character.
Probably, we may be needing one/
few but eating all...so overabundance of few or all nutrients ?
Deficiencies of one or more nutrients leads to a loss of the hunger
that drives the brainwashed to overeat.
If insulin is lacking or bot working properly as in IR, will it cause
defficiencies to cells resulting loss of hunger so lesser eatings?
Insulin resistance (IR) does not happen except when there has been
glucose excess, which does not result in loss of hunger.
If a person don't lose hunger inspite of glucose excess, is it defect
in god's design?
No. If a person were to lose his/her hunger as soon as there is
hyperglycemia, then this person would be unable to eat enough.
Can getting hunger inspite of persisting hyperglycemia be a disorder?
Not getting hunger in any situation is a symptom known as anorexia.
Anorexia indicates that a person is at death's door.
Whether breakdown of energy stores promote loss of hunger?
No.
Instabilities can mean such thing. Unintentional abnormal Weight gain,
stay constant or weight loss related to simultaneous weakness,
wastings etc. indicative.
Overeating does not arise from instabilities.
Someone who is unstable (ie dying) will not be hungry.
As such, a person with defficient and impaired insulin/metabolism will
be lesser hungry that a person with more?
A person with VAT will be less hungry because s/he will be less
healthy.
Still he overeat?
Only if he still falsely believes that "hunger is bad."
If mediating decreased/resisted break down of energy stores by added
insulin is wrong?
Only if it causes a loss of hunger (ie from causing hypoglycemia which
is imminent death).
Thanks.
You are welcome.
All thanks and praises belong to GOD, Who is the Source of all
knowledge and wisdom.
HE is the reason why the brethren of LORD Jesus Christ are infinitely
more knowledgeable and wiser than satan's demons.
Laus Deo ! ! !
Andrew <><
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