This was to go out earlier but posting stopped working so this is as
much as test of that as anything else.

In article <1172004140.753012.311...@l53g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
gb6...@yahoo.com says...





On Feb 20, 1:15 pm, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelati...@hotmail.com
wrote:
"gb6...@yahoo.com" wrote:
One needs energy to separate H and O atoms in water.

Indeed.

How much energy?

More than you get back by burning the hydrogen. A *lot* more in fact.

That's where all such dreams about using hydrogen as a fuel fall down. It's
hopelessly inefficient.

Graham

15000-16500 watts. Chemical factories producing hydrogen use 16500
watts.

The above statement is completely meaningless, it mentions power bu
neither time nor the amout of hydrogen produced both of which are
ncessary for any needed comparison. The power the factory uses depends
on its size. Also as As Graham pointed out you confuse power and energy
in your previous posts and on the referenced site.

Let me try an analogy. Think of power as speed and energy as distance.
Watts are units of power watt-hours are units of energy. You purchase
electricity generally as Kilowatt-hours. I just looked at a commercial
electrolyser that produces 2kWh to produce 300 l of H2, which BTW works
out to < 50% efficiency.

Given 1 watt is 746 horsepowers, that is equivalent to

No, 1 Hp is 746 Watts

You have invented the most inefficient electric motor I've ever seen
(battery to H2 to ICE to kinetic energy, the mind boggles). I'm sure
someone will point out worse now.

Robert

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Robert Adsett <s...@aeolusdevelopment.com> wrote:

You have invented the most inefficient electric motor I've ever seen
(battery to H2 to ICE to kinetic energy, the mind boggles). I'm sure
someone will point out worse now.

Robert

Battery to H2 to engine, regulated run-time, 2 million dollar system
to allow 300kW electrolysis. BMW is working on it already,

I talked to them.

theloneranger100@aol.com wrote:

"Dan Bloomquist" <public21@lakeweb.com> wrote in message
Eeyore wrote:
Dan Bloomquist wrote:
Eeyore wrote:

Since when have you ever made a single positive contribution here ?

Oh, please do define 'positive contribution'...


Anything other than "it can't be done" or "it won't make a difference"
maybe ?

And, why don't you support the hydrogen economy? Why all the negative
posts?


Sorry to jump in, if you can prove that your car can run on Hydrogen
alone,
then I would believe you.

On the other hand, I can prove that a car can run efficiently with
Gasoline
alone, no hybrid, no hydrogen. 2X on performance and mileage.

So prove it. Lean burn by any chance ?

Graham

"Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote in message
theloneranger100@aol.com wrote:
"Dan Bloomquist" <public21@lakeweb.com> wrote in message
Eeyore wrote:
Dan Bloomquist wrote:
Eeyore wrote:

Since when have you ever made a single positive contribution here ?

Oh, please do define 'positive contribution'...


Anything other than "it can't be done" or "it won't make a difference"
maybe ?

And, why don't you support the hydrogen economy? Why all the negative
posts?

Sorry to jump in, if you can prove that your car can run on Hydrogen
alone, then I would believe you.

On the other hand, I can prove that a car can run efficiently with
Gasoline alone, no hybrid, no hydrogen. 2X on performance and mileage.

So prove it. Lean burn by any chance ?

Graham


You're smart but you can't get mine... Heeheee....

theloneranger100@aol.com wrote:

"Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote in message
theloneranger100@aol.com wrote:
"Dan Bloomquist" <public21@lakeweb.com> wrote in message
Eeyore wrote:
Dan Bloomquist wrote:
Eeyore wrote:

Since when have you ever made a single positive contribution here
?

Oh, please do define 'positive contribution'...


Anything other than "it can't be done" or "it won't make a
difference"
maybe ?

And, why don't you support the hydrogen economy? Why all the
negative
posts?

Sorry to jump in, if you can prove that your car can run on Hydrogen
alone, then I would believe you.

On the other hand, I can prove that a car can run efficiently with
Gasoline alone, no hybrid, no hydrogen. 2X on performance and
mileage.

So prove it. Lean burn by any chance ?

Graham


You're smart but you can't get mine... Heeheee....

Come on, let's hear it.

GDI uses lean burn effectively. I wonder if hydrogen injection can help
there.
Or even ethanol ? Or steam ?

Graham

GDI uses lean burn effectively. I wonder if hydrogen injection can help there.
Or even ethanol ? Or steam ?

"Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote
theloneranger100@aol.com wrote:
"Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote
theloneranger100@aol.com wrote:.

On the other hand, I can prove that a car can run efficiently with
Gasoline alone, no hybrid, no hydrogen. 2X on performance and
mileage.

So prove it. Lean burn by any chance ?

Graham

You're smart but you can't get mine... Heeheee....

Come on, let's hear it.

GDI uses lean burn effectively. I wonder if hydrogen injection can help
there. Or even ethanol ? Or steam ?

Nop! it's not it! hydrogen's density is too low, I have no faith in it.

Who is GDI?

Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelati...@hotmail.com> wrote:

GDI uses lean burn effectively. I wonder if hydrogen injection can help there.
Or even ethanol ? Or steam ?

Whatever happened to Smokey Yunick's "Adiabiatic
Engine"?..........That was a Thousand Years Ago...........

theloneranger100@aol.com wrote:


"Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote in message

theloneranger100@aol.com wrote:

"Dan Bloomquist" <public21@lakeweb.com> wrote in message

Eeyore wrote:

Dan Bloomquist wrote:

Eeyore wrote:


Since when have you ever made a single positive contribution here ?

Oh, please do define 'positive contribution'...


Anything other than "it can't be done" or "it won't make a difference"
maybe ?

And, why don't you support the hydrogen economy? Why all the negative
posts?

Sorry to jump in, if you can prove that your car can run on Hydrogen
alone, then I would believe you.

On the other hand, I can prove that a car can run efficiently with
Gasoline alone, no hybrid, no hydrogen. 2X on performance and mileage.

So prove it. Lean burn by any chance ?

Graham


You're smart but you can't get mine... Heeheee....


Come on, let's hear it.

GDI uses lean burn effectively. I wonder if hydrogen injection can help there.
Or even ethanol ? Or steam ?

Graham

On Feb 22, 11:45?am, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelati...@hotmail.com
wrote:

GDI uses lean burn effectively. I wonder if hydrogen injection can help
there.
Or even ethanol ? Or steam ?

Whatever happened to Smokey Yunick's "Adiabiatic
Engine"?..........That was a Thousand Years Ago...........

theloneranger...@aol.com wrote:
Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelati...@hotmail.com> wrote:

GDI uses lean burn effectively. I wonder if hydrogen injection can help there.
Or even ethanol ? Or steam ?

Whatever happened to Smokey Yunick's "Adiabiatic
Engine"?..........That was a Thousand Years Ago...........

The Swedish chap ? I found some stuff about it but it wasn't very well described.

Graham

Eeyore wrote:

theloneranger...@aol.com wrote:

"Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelati...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

theloneranger...@aol.com wrote:

"Dan Bloomquist" <publi...@lakeweb.com> wrote in message

Eeyore wrote:

Dan Bloomquist wrote:

Eeyore wrote:

Since when have you ever made a single positive contribution here ?

Oh, please do define 'positive contribution'...

Anything other than "it can't be done" or "it won't make a difference"
maybe ?

And, why don't you support the hydrogen economy? Why all the negative
posts?

Sorry to jump in, if you can prove that your car can run on Hydrogen
alone, then I would believe you.

On the other hand, I can prove that a car can run efficiently with
Gasoline alone, no hybrid, no hydrogen.   2X on performance and mileage.

So prove it. Lean burn by any chance ?

Graham

You're smart but you can't get mine... Heeheee....

Come on, let's hear it.

GDI uses lean burn effectively. I wonder if hydrogen injection can help there.
Or even ethanol ? Or steam ?

Graham

Steam does have some compelling advantages like not needing a clutch or
transmission, continuously variable power ratios, fewer accessories such
as camshafts and timing belts, and having power on every stroke.

Curiously, the primary reason for the demise of the steam automobile in
America was hoof and mouth disease.

www.geocities.com/gmbajszar/new_hydrogen_car.htm

Eeyore wrote:

theloneranger...@aol.com wrote:

"Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelati...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

theloneranger...@aol.com wrote:

"Dan Bloomquist" <publi...@lakeweb.com> wrote in message

Eeyore wrote:

Dan Bloomquist wrote:

Eeyore wrote:

Since when have you ever made a single positive contribution here
?

Oh, please do define 'positive contribution'...

Anything other than "it can't be done" or "it won't make a
difference"
maybe ?

And, why don't you support the hydrogen economy? Why all the negative
posts?

Sorry to jump in, if you can prove that your car can run on Hydrogen
alone, then I would believe you.

On the other hand, I can prove that a car can run efficiently with
Gasoline alone, no hybrid, no hydrogen. 2X on performance and
mileage.

So prove it. Lean burn by any chance ?

Graham

You're smart but you can't get mine... Heeheee....

Come on, let's hear it.

GDI uses lean burn effectively. I wonder if hydrogen injection can help
there.
Or even ethanol ? Or steam ?

Graham

Steam does have some compelling advantages like not needing a clutch or
transmission, continuously variable power ratios, fewer accessories such
as camshafts and timing belts, and having power on every stroke.

Curiously, the primary reason for the demise of the steam automobile in
America was hoof and mouth disease.