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| Andrew Jennings |
Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 7:38 am |
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Hi all,
I just wanted to let all of you know about the release of my new book,
"The Invisible Matrix: The Evolution of Altruism, Culture, Human
Behavior and the Memory Network."
s_sr_1/105-9777402-9195607?ie=UTF8&s=books
As you may well know, the evolution of altruism/cooperation is a major
puzzle of evolutionary theory. While evolutionary psychology and game
theory, remain the traditional analytical framework for this question,
promising clues to a solution are emerging from an unexpected field -
computer science.
According to a growing body of research, delicate living systems and
bulky computers, are both information systems engaged in the storage,
transmission, and processing of information. Within the past decade,
bio-physicists like Werner Leowenstein have recast life as an
information system and by extension the evolutionary process itself as
a process of information change. (See "The Touchstone of Life:
Molecular Information, Cell Communication and the Foundations of Life)
(Also see, Decoding the Universe: How the new science of information is
explaining everything in the cosmos from our brains to black holes, by
Charles Seife.)
This allows us to seek insights into the behavior of living organisms,
including altruistic interactions, in terms of the behavior of
computing systems. Though such a comparison between unfeeling
electronic devices and emotive living human beings may seem
preposterous, it can produce a very surprising resolution to this old
puzzle.
There are two important parts to the evolutionary altruism/cooperation
puzzle.
1. What is the survival benefit to the individual who is willing to
sacrifice?
2. How do altruistic individuals manage to outcompete selfish
individuals over time? (The free-rider problem)
The answer to the first question, I argue, is information. A careful
analysis of human evolution reveals the emergence of a network
mechanism that enables a group of individuals to pool information. When
an altruist acts to help a groupmate, he is also acting to protect this
network of pooled information. This reservoir of information acts as a
crucial resource benefiting all the individuals who make up the
network.
The answer to the second question, by extension, pertains to specific
characteristics of information flow between individuals in the network
and the manner in which our hominid ancestors would have developed
their information sharing protocols. Delineating the evolution and
properties of these information sharing protocols require an
understanding of how our modern information devices share information.
Within the information network model, behaviors like cooperation,
altruism and culture are best described as emergent properties of this
network mechanism.
I am an independent researcher based in Mountain View, California. Over
the past five years, I have pursued an interdisciplinary approach to
these questions.
Copies of the book can be order through online retailers like
www.amazon.com
You can also find extended excerpts at www.altruism-evolution.com
Thank you for your time.
Sincerely,
Andrew Jennings. |
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| Alan Meyer |
Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 9:09 am |
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"Andrew Jennings" <andrewjenning@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Quote: Hi all,
I just wanted to let all of you know about the release of my new book,
"The Invisible Matrix: The Evolution of Altruism, Culture, Human
Behavior and the Memory Network."
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Andrew,
Clearly there is altruistic behavior in animals. Many different
kinds of animals from ants to wolves will defend members of
their group at great risk to themselves. That's in addition to
the obvious sacrifices made by animal parents to defend their
own young.
Would you argue that human altruism springs from the same
sources as animal altruism? If it does, how does the information
protection theory work with non-human animals?
On the other hand, if human altruism is different and has to
do with special characteristics of human intelligence, then
are survival value and natural selection still the primary factors?
In other words, could it be that altruism is not selected for by
evolution but instead is a byproduct, as it were, of being a
rational and emotional human being and living in social
relationships with other human beings?
Another way I think about these things has to do with our
understanding of the world. I know that 2+2=4, E=mc2,
water is made of two hydrogens and one oxygen, etc.
Evolution didn't instill this knowledge into my head. What
evolution did was provide me with a brain capable of
absorbing, organizing, and remembering these pieces of
information. Perhaps it also equipped me with a brain
capable of objectively evaluating my own worth as no more
than that of another human being.
I know these are unfair questions. You summarized a whole
book in one page and if I read your book, I'm sure I would
find a lot that bears on these questions that didn't make it
into your one page summary.
But this is Usenet after all and these are interesting questions
that are fun to discuss.
Alan |
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| Tim Tyler |
Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 9:09 am |
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Andrew Jennings wrote:
Quote: I just wanted to let all of you know about the release of my new book,
"The Invisible Matrix: The Evolution of Altruism, Culture, Human
Behavior and the Memory Network."
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Quote: There are two important parts to the evolutionary altruism/cooperation
puzzle.
1. What is the survival benefit to the individual who is willing to
sacrifice?
2. How do altruistic individuals manage to outcompete selfish
individuals over time? (The free-rider problem)
The answer to the first question, I argue, is information. A careful
analysis of human evolution reveals the emergence of a network
mechanism that enables a group of individuals to pool information. When
an altruist acts to help a groupmate, he is also acting to protect this
network of pooled information. This reservoir of information acts as a
crucial resource benefiting all the individuals who make up the
network.
As you may be aware, that is not the conventional answer.
It seems as though this proposed solution would only apply to
defending against threats to the /existence/ of the recipient -
and not everyday things such as whether to share food, or
whether to pick off someone's nits.
The conventional answer to this question (among non-kin)
is reciprocal altruism.
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| John Edser |
Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2007 8:35 am |
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"Alan Meyer" ameyer2@yahoo.com wrote:-
Quote: I just wanted to let all of you know about the release of my new book,
"The Invisible Matrix: The Evolution of Altruism, Culture, Human
Behavior and the Memory Network."
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Clearly there is altruistic behavior in animals. Many different
kinds of animals from ants to wolves will defend members of
their group at great risk to themselves. That's in addition to
the obvious sacrifices made by animal parents to defend their
own young.
JE:-
Alan,
This argument not only lacks rigor it reeks of political correctness.
Group selective altruism is not the only possible explanation (note that
Hamilton's rationale remains entirely group selective). In fact, all group
selection arguments remain based on an entirely false premise: an additive
in fitness group constitutes one single selectee. It doesn't and never has.
Fitness altruism is prohibited as an observation of nature by Darwinism
simply because no Darwinian form can be selected to DECREASE their fitness,
just INCREASE IT (no matter how you define fitness). Put another way:
fitness is a MAXIMAND (something which s always maximized).
The only alternative argument to fitness altruism is unequal fitness
mutuality which has commonly evolved within fitness interdependent groups.
This means that wolves defend members of their group at great risk to
themselves and parents sacrifice themselves to defend their own young simply
because it INCREASES and does not DECREASE each fertile individual's
fitness. The risk to the wolf is worth paying just like an insurance premium
is worth paying: it reduces the cost of risk to something manageable which
has to be paid if that wolf is to receive mutualised fitness gains from the
group. Only one rule applies here: the individual cost must remain less than
the individual gain over a life span. The problem is that these gains are
hardly ever equal so that the wolf which gains the less compared to the wolf
that gains the most only _superficially_ appears fitness "altruistic". The
problem here is that fitness gains have to measured absolutely per
individual and not just relatively in order to empirically distinguish
between fitness mutuality and fitness altruism. This is not possible using
Hamilton's Rule simply because it has no frame of reference. The rule was
and remains just a tautologous proposition of mathematics within which
organism fitness selfishness cannot be distinguished from organism fitness
altruism. The incompetence displayed by the gene centric theorists on this
issue was and remains, appalling. What is even worse is their consistent
evasion of this criticism. You have to decide if you are going to be duped
by them, or not.
Regards,
John Edser
Independent Researcher
edser@ozemail.com.au
Quote:
Would you argue that human altruism springs from the same
sources as animal altruism? If it does, how does the information
protection theory work with non-human animals?
On the other hand, if human altruism is different and has to
do with special characteristics of human intelligence, then
are survival value and natural selection still the primary factors?
In other words, could it be that altruism is not selected for by
evolution but instead is a byproduct, as it were, of being a
rational and emotional human being and living in social
relationships with other human beings?
Another way I think about these things has to do with our
understanding of the world. I know that 2+2=4, E=mc2,
water is made of two hydrogens and one oxygen, etc.
Evolution didn't instill this knowledge into my head. What
evolution did was provide me with a brain capable of
absorbing, organizing, and remembering these pieces of
information. Perhaps it also equipped me with a brain
capable of objectively evaluating my own worth as no more
than that of another human being.
I know these are unfair questions. You summarized a whole
book in one page and if I read your book, I'm sure I would
find a lot that bears on these questions that didn't make it
into your one page summary.
But this is Usenet after all and these are interesting questions
that are fun to discuss.
Alan |
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| Alan Meyer |
Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2007 8:20 pm |
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"John Edser" <edser@ozemail.com.au> wrote in message
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Quote: ... Only one rule applies here: the individual cost must remain less than
the individual gain over a life span. The problem is that these gains are
hardly ever equal so that the wolf which gains the less compared to the wolf
that gains the most only _superficially_ appears fitness "altruistic". ...
John,
I'm not at all sure that I followed your argument - not because
I think it's wrong, but because you have a sophisticated way
of expressing yourself that I don't always feel equipped to
follow.
But, leaving that aside, I'd like to focus on the single statement
quoted above.
Is the individual always the correct unit to observe here? Before
taking up the complex issues of wolves and people, let's consider
ants - animals for which some scientists question just what
the "organism" is.
Presumably, ant behavior is highly conditioned by genetic coding.
There aren't a lot of neurons for the ant to think with. We might
imagine that, for two queen ants, the one whose offspring are more
devoted to the colony, more willing to sacrifice themselves for it,
that's the one whose genes will survive. If that is right, then in the
case of ants, natural selection operates at the colony level and
there is no problem with the individual ant's getting less than she
gives.
Compared with wolves and people, ants are an extreme case.
But perhaps the principle is not entirely inapplicable to wolves
and people. It may be that parents whose offspring defend
them leave a larger set of descendents than those whose
parents do not, and communities whos members defend them
leave a larger set of offspring than communities whose members
do not. I'd like to hear your thoughts on that.
I'd also like to return to my original argument with the original
poster, which I'll restate in a different way.
Certain capabilities may evolve that improve the fitness of a
species. Two such capabilities are social behavior and
intelligence. There isn't any question that both of those are
fitness enhancers.
But those capabilities may, themselves, create certain behaviors
that aren't directly conducive to survival of the individual. Social
behavior may cause a wolf to form a bond with members of his
pack and a man to form a bond with members of his family,
tribe or community. Those social bonds condition our behavior
in many ways. If I saw someone attack my wife or my children,
it is possible that I would jump in without regard for my own
safety - without ever even thinking about it. [I can't be sure
about that unless and until it actually happens - which I hope
it never does.] Ditto for the wolf. You can't have social behavior
unless the individuals in the group form a strong attachment to
the group.
Intelligence may also condition our behavior in ways that don't
contribute to survival. A man living in a brutal dictatorship may
join a resistance movement. He knows that he is putting himself
at great risk. He may even believe that his actions are futile
and that his movement will be crushed. But he does it anyway
because the code of ethics he has developed for himself
requires this of him.
So my argument is that "fitness to survive" may not be the
only context, and certainly is not always the immediate context,
for explaining altruistic behavior.
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| John Edser |
Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 12:46 pm |
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"Alan Meyer" ameyer2@yahoo.com wrote:-
Quote: JE:-
... Only one rule applies here: the individual cost must remain less
than
the individual gain over a life span. The problem is that these gains
are
hardly ever equal so that the wolf which gains the less compared to the
wolf
that gains the most only _superficially_ appears fitness "altruistic".
...
Quote: John,
I'm not at all sure that I followed your argument - not because
I think it's wrong, but because you have a sophisticated way
of expressing yourself that I don't always feel equipped to
follow.
JE:-
What Galileo taught us so long ago is that a frame of reference is always
required just to be able to distinguish between any relative opposites such
as "up" and "down". Fitness altruism and fitness selfishness are actually
relative opposite suppositions which cannot employ just themselves as a
valid frame of reference. The question which remains begged within gene
centric Neo Darwinism is: organism fitness altruism/selfishness relative to
WHAT? It is this question which Post Modern gene centric Neo Darwinists,
e.g. Felsenstein et al, have been evading. I provide two detailed examples
here (many more exist):
1) Hamilton's Rule: incorrectly deployed to this day to
allow the evolution of organism fitness altruism within the biological
sciences. The missing frame of reference here is "TDF" (Total Darwinian
Fitness). This can be defined as: the total number of just fertile forms
reproduced into one population by each parent. TDF represents the only
refutable (and therefore objective) fitness that evolutionary theory has.
ii) Felsenstein's Paradox (see post): correctly identified
by Felsenstein himself. This unresolved paradox provides the only reason why
the long and bitter cost of substitution debate between ReMine and
Felsenstein (which has a long history within sbe) has not been resolved. The
missing frame of reference within this Paradox is: the defined size of the
population within which one gene is to be substituted by another, i.e. a
defined population constant (please refer to the posts by myself referring
to this which were ignored by both ReMine and Felsenstein).
Quote: But, leaving that aside, I'd like to focus on the single statement
quoted above.
Is the individual always the correct unit to observe here?
JE;-
The fertile organism is the only logically _consistent_ and _empirically
refutable_ unit of selection that is available to evolutionary theory.
Quote: Before
taking up the complex issues of wolves and people, let's consider
ants - animals for which some scientists question just what
the "organism" is.
JE:-
Sterile eusocials have only been incompetently employed to verify Hamilton's
Rule ever since this rule was proposed as a solution as to why apparent
organism fitness altruism had evolved in nature (after group selection had
failed to be able to explain it). Ironically, the rule was subsequently
proven to also be group selective.
More qualified posters than me have repeatedly and painfully pointed out
that sterile eusocials exist in more than just the small fraction of the
Hymenoptera (ants and bees) which are haplodiploid. Haplodiploidy can be
closely correlated to Hamilton's rule. However, just a tiny fraction of
these Hymenoptera species are actually haplodiploid. Within this tiny
fraction none of the females have been proven to remain monogamous. Without
strict female monogamy no correlation exists even within just this tiny
fraction of the Hymenoptera! The level bias here was and remains,
_extraordinary_. The Isoptera (white ants etc) and the Mammals also evolved
sterile eusocials by only employing normal diploidy which is not correlated
to Hamilton's Rule. The most common factor which can be identified within
sterile eusocials is the requirement for an enclosed space within which to
circulate sterility enforcing pheromones. These mostly emanate from the
Queen but I believe can be sourced in a few cases to the sterile casts
(please ask Dr Hunt).
Quote: Presumably, ant behavior is highly conditioned by genetic coding.
There aren't a lot of neurons for the ant to think with. We might
imagine that, for two queen ants, the one whose offspring are more
devoted to the colony, more willing to sacrifice themselves for it,
that's the one whose genes will survive. If that is right, then in the
case of ants, natural selection operates at the colony level and
there is no problem with the individual ant's getting less than she
gives.
JE:-
When you define one selectee to be empirically one FERTILE form then the
"group level" argument simply doesn't apply here because the eusocial colony
is just one extended family within which the vast majority of sterile
offspring have been selected to benefit the fertile PARENTS by remaining
sterile all of their lives. The vast majority would have died anyway so
nature is simply making a better use of them
Quote: Compared with wolves and people, ants are an extreme case.
JE:-
They are different in one way: eusociality provided a unique opportunity for
parents to enslave their own sterile offspring within an enclosed space via
sterilizing pheromones for the fertile parents fitness benefit. Parents were
given the opportunity to more gainfully employ most of their sterile
infertiles (which would have died anyway) as modular somatic extensions to
themselves, i.e. living detachable body extensions to their parents. Because
these all immatures remain infertile locking in their genes they only ever
posses a zero fitness until they become fertile allowing them to be selected
to be used in such a bizarre way by their parents.
Quote: But perhaps the principle is not entirely inapplicable to wolves
and people. It may be that parents whose offspring defend
them leave a larger set of descendents than those whose
parents do not, and communities whos members defend them
leave a larger set of offspring than communities whose members
do not. I'd like to hear your thoughts on that.
JE:-
Yes, but only as long as the cost is less than the gains per fertile
individual per group.
Quote: I'd also like to return to my original argument with the original
poster, which I'll restate in a different way.
Certain capabilities may evolve that improve the fitness of a
species.
JE:-
The fitness of one group defined as just the sum of the fitness or each
individual within it OR a group fitness which is NOT just this simple sum?
Quote: Two such capabilities are social behavior and
intelligence. There isn't any question that both of those are
fitness enhancers.
But those capabilities may, themselves, create certain behaviors
that aren't directly conducive to survival of the individual.
JE:-
Survival of the individual is not all that concerns nature! In the end she
is only concerned with maximizing the total number of fertile forms each
parent reproduces into one population. Survival and reproduction have to
compete for the same finite resources available to each individual. Nature
cuts this loaf so that survival costs become minimized allowing reproduction
to be maximized. Nothing else can be selected for. Nature ends up selecting
for the leanest and meanest survival option available.
Quote: Social
behavior may cause a wolf to form a bond with members of his
pack and a man to form a bond with members of his family,
tribe or community. Those social bonds condition our behavior
in many ways. If I saw someone attack my wife or my children,
it is possible that I would jump in without regard for my own
safety - without ever even thinking about it. [I can't be sure
about that unless and until it actually happens - which I hope
it never does.] Ditto for the wolf. You can't have social behavior
unless the individuals in the group form a strong attachment to
the group.
JE:-
Yes. However, the cost paid in risk can only be selected if it is less than
the fitness gains for the average individual within that group requiring no
group selection. Such costs can be said to represent a naturally selected
type of insurance providing an increased individual benefit per group where
these increased benefits need not be equal.
Quote: Intelligence may also condition our behavior in ways that don't
contribute to survival. A man living in a brutal dictatorship may
join a resistance movement. He knows that he is putting himself
at great risk. He may even believe that his actions are futile
and that his movement will be crushed. But he does it anyway
because the code of ethics he has developed for himself
requires this of him.
JE:-
As the mean fitness gains per individual within the group increase as the
size of the mutualised group increases (and the efficiency of cognitive
mutualised exchange also increases) the selected insurance premium which has
to be paid must also increase. There is no free lunch. The defense of the
group which provides so much for each mutualised individual within it
selects for more individual risk taking required for group defense
increasing the _mutualised_ good at the fertile organism level of selection
(no group selection required). This has evolved the emotion we identify as
"altruism". However, the selective action here is fitness mutualistic and
not at all fitness altruistic. As incredible as it may seem, a psychology to
defend the group to the death is well worth paying if the risk of death is
small and the group gains large. This risk premium has to be paid if these
benefits are to be obtained. Thus a psychological mechanism will be selected
to lock it in against cognition. Another way of expressing this is that
emotion has been selected to overpower cognition, even the cognition of a
certain death without any group selective fitness altruism required.
Regards,
John Edser
Independent Researcher
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| Alan Meyer |
Posted: Wed Feb 07, 2007 8:25 pm |
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John,
Thanks for the very interesting and detailed reply.
I won't argue with any of your points. I think they're right. I
will however add something to what I was saying before, in
a little different vein.
I think of both intelligent behavior and social behavior to
be, to some extent, governed by laws that are not best
understood in terms of evolution or biology.
I think what you have explained rather well is how altruistic
behavior is consistent with evolutionary theory. The
existence of altruism does not refute evolution and the
theory of evolution does not have to deny the existence
of altruism.
But still, when we ask the question, "Why did Joe perform
that altruistic act?", the answer we give won't refer to
evolution. He did it because he loved his wife, or his
country, or because he sympathised with someone. In
other words, the answer we give belongs to a different
realm of explanation than biology.
Explanations of events function at many different levels.
If you try to explain to someone why your calculator says
that 7*7 = 49, it is vastly easier, and vastly more
satisfactory, to explain how arithmetic works than to explain
the electronics of calculator chips.
Some have said that human behavior reduce to psychology,
psychology reduces to biology, biology to chemistry, and
chemistry to physics. But trying to explain why Joe
sacrificed himself in terms of the quantum mechanics of
the particles making up his body is a hopeless undertaking.
Appealing to evolution is a little less hopeless, but not a
lot.
To the extent that it is truly rational, rational behavior
conforms to the laws of rationality. Our brains have evolved
(I'm speaking optimistically here :^) to support rational behavior.
And rationality has its own laws, as arithmetic does. 7*7=49
is true because of the laws of arithmetic. The calculator is
an instrument designed to apply those laws to input numbers,
but the laws are independent of the electronics of the
calculator. We could have produced a calculator using
water pipes, or metal gears, or wooden beads. But in all
of those calculators, 7*7 still equals 49.
Evolution has evolved a certain level of intelligence in humans.
It might also have done it in Martians, in residents living near
Alpha Centauri, or in octopi at the bottom of the oceans. We
might someday create intelligence ourselves using silicon chips.
I suspect that the laws of intelligence will be the same for all
of those media for expressing intelligence.
Altruism among humans may well have some of its roots in
that rationality, as well as in evolution.
Alan |
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| Entertained by my own EIM |
Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2007 9:14 am |
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"John Edser" <edser@ozemail.com.au> wrote in message
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JE:-
Survival of the individual is not all that concerns nature! In the end she
is only concerned with maximizing the total number of fertile forms each
parent reproduces into one population. Survival and reproduction have to
compete for the same finite resources available to each individual. Nature
cuts this loaf so that survival costs become minimized allowing
reproduction
to be maximized. Nothing else can be selected for. Nature ends up
selecting
for the leanest and meanest survival option available.
And, when populations of individuals are 'sifted' by evolution-producing
challenges (~selection pressures) specifically in the form of
"specific/synaptic hibernation imploring ["imploring"=required if to be
reproductively survived] threats" and simultaneously environmentally
presented evolutionary opportunities (niches/nich-elements for the taking),
the leanest and meanest of any survival options - is one that is
correspondingly *ambiadvantageously* adaptive.
Hence, my post hoc recognition of/insight into the trend towards AEVASIVE
phenotypes within the phylogeny of fauna.
We humans just happen to be the by far most characteristic example of this
trend (or attractor in the direction of AEVASIVE phenotypes).
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