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| linkspider |
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I will begin with the self proclamation that I am not an intelligent
man, I am not qualified in any field of study However I have the
ability to read, understand and learn. I treated education in my youth
with the contempt that it deserved, it was boring and un-challenging
and a breeding ground for children to be mentally assaulted by
political and social opinions from the Government of the day by
teachers constricted and confined within a curriculum. I also found
that education as far as my own person experience was concerned gave
opportunity for adult perversions to be explored on adolescent minds -
to elaborate homosexuality and sexual advancement. This is some what
the same with my experience of the Church, both Roman Catholic and
Church of England. But these are other stories and not the point of
this discussion.
In 1995 I was working in a nightclub; I was 18/19 years of age easily
influenced and within an undesirable pier group. I experimented with
street drugs and became mentally unstable. I sort social security
benefits after being unfairly dismissed, which I never pursued, I was
royally sanctioned from Jobseekers Allowance Benefit for remaining
silent about leaving employment voluntarily. I resign from working
with a cocaine and ecstasy fuelled boss - who had introduced and
influenced my drug experimentation.
A social worker "friend" of my family took me to a local doctor (GP),
they had long been involved with my up-bringing and childhood
adolescents, and I was a problem child.
After a short conversation with them I was diagnosed with paranoia and
referred to a Physiatrist. I was given tranquilizers and incapacity
benefits and I was silent.
I have been taking anti psychotics since 1995. I have been under the
care of both a GP and Physiatrist and have recently been experiencing
dual dosage of anti psychotics or polypharmacy.
I have been diagnosed with schizophrenia for a number of years and
have remained in a drug seclusion to protect me from my delusional
world. In some respects I believe that this may have aided my growth
as a person, to begin with, I took up regular employment, dated,
married and started a family and became a social norm. I also started
a business that was reasonably successful between 2001 and 2005.
I also have been a victim of white collar crime. I have been made
bankrupt due to irresponsibility, failure to communicate and having an
unrealistic drive to improve my environment.
After recent events and self reflection I feel that medication has
restricted my ability to think rationally and makes me inefficient at
protecting myself and my family from the forces of society, I have no
aggression, I do not care and I am increasingly becoming emotionless.
When I look at society I see abusers and the abused, victims and
exploitation in every walk of life. I see people trying to buy
influence, argue for influence and destruction and collapse of
morality. Not that I can argue what is morally correctly or incorrect.
Maybe I should be guided by law?
I feel that I am a social prostitute being manipulate and exploited,
verbally, mentally and physically. There are so many forces at work,
within society that we live, to control, monitor and restrict our
movements and opinions. I understand that persecution is common place.
There is strength growing in restricting speech and thought that is
derogatory, but why should someone have a thought that is more valued
and socially correct than the next ignorant person? Is it the opinion
or action from the opinion that wrong? Or Are both wrong? And when can
someone's mental thought be acceptance of physical control of someone
else body, spoken or unspoken.
Anyway I am digressing...
What is schizophrenia? It is a word that brings prejudice and fear
into the minds of some. People fear that you are incapable of rational
thought and will kill or physically harm them. This has largely been
escalated by the media. I believe most people with Schizophrenia would
like to be left alone. They would like to sit in silence and hide from
the world and are no more of a threat than any other members of
society.
I would like to quote. "Many people prefer to look at schizophrenia
'holistically', and argue that these symptoms are logical or natural
reactions to adverse life events".
"The term schizophrenia is widely used in the mental health system.
Doctors may describe it as a psychosis. They mean that, in their view,
a person can't distinguish their own intense thoughts, ideas,
perceptions and imaginings from reality (the shared perceptions, sets
of ideas and values that other people in that culture hold to be
real). Among other symptoms, a person might be hearing voices, or may
believe that other people can read their mind and control their
thoughts".
I was concerned that my mind was not improving from the medication
that I was taking and in some respects making my thought processes
worse.
I would like to twist and work from this quote for a moment with
another quote from a science related article
"Empathy allows us to feel the emotions of others, to identify and
understand their feelings and motives and see things from their
perspective. How we generate empathy remains a subject of intense
debate in cognitive science.
Some scientists now believe they may have finally discovered its root.
We're all essentially mind readers, they say.
The idea has been slow to gain acceptance, but evidence is mounting"
Mirror neurons
In 1996, three neuroscientists were probing the brain of a macaque
monkey when they stumbled across a curious cluster of cells in the
premotor cortex, an area of the brain responsible for planning
movements. The cluster of cells fired not only when the monkey
performed an action, but likewise when the monkey saw the same action
performed by someone else. The cells responded the same way whether
the monkey reached out to grasp a peanut, or merely watched in envy as
another monkey or a human did.
Because the cells reflected the actions that the monkey observed in
others, the neuroscientists named them "mirror neurons."
Later experiments confirmed the existence of mirror neurons in humans
and revealed another surprise. In addition to mirroring actions, the
cells reflected sensations and emotions.
"Mirror neurons suggest that we pretend to be in another person's
mental shoes," says Marco Iacoboni, a neuroscientist at the University
of California, Los Angeles School of Medicine. "In fact, with mirror
neurons we do not have to pretend, we practically are in another
person's mind."
Since their discovery, mirror neurons have been implicated in a broad
range of phenomena, including certain mental disorders. Mirror neurons
may help cognitive scientists explain how children develop a theory of
mind (ToM), which is a child's understanding that others have minds
similar to their own. Doing so may help shed light on autism, in which
this type of understanding is often missing."
To conclude is it irresponsible to be asking for control of our own
minds or are our minds the thoughts of others? |
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| Dr. Wee Hung Lo |
| Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 8:06 pm |
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"linkspider" <linkspider@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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:I will begin with the self proclamation that I am not an intelligent
: man, I am not qualified in any field of study
You forgot stupid. Had you left your post with the thought above I would
have at the least felt you had some wisdom. |
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| linkspider |
| Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2007 3:47 am |
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On Feb 17, 12:06 am, "Dr. Wee Hung Lo" <dr....@hocho.org> wrote:
Quote: "linkspider" <linkspi...@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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:I will begin with the self proclamation that I am not an intelligent
: man, I am not qualified in any field of study
You forgot stupid. Had you left your post with the thought above I would
have at the least felt you had some wisdom.
thank you for your kind words
http://www.wwzc.org/dharmaTalks/notThinking.htm |
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| linkspider |
| Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2007 3:59 am |
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On Feb 17, 7:47 am, "linkspider" <linkspi...@btinternet.com> wrote:
Quote: On Feb 17, 12:06 am, "Dr. Wee Hung Lo" <dr....@hocho.org> wrote:
"linkspider" <linkspi...@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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:I will begin with the self proclamation that I am not an intelligent
: man, I am not qualified in any field of study
You forgot stupid. Had you left your post with the thought above I would
have at the least felt you had some wisdom.
thank you for your kind words
http://www.wwzc.org/dharmaTalks/notThinking.htm
what did I forget? |
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| card xii |
| Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2007 11:23 am |
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"linkspider" <linkspider@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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Quote: I will begin with the self proclamation that I am not an intelligent
man, I am not qualified in any field of study However I have the
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To conclude is it irresponsible to be asking for control of our own
minds or are our minds the thoughts of others?
Your question is good, but your mistake is in using the word "control."
We all live within a system: ecosystem, society, neighborhood, family,
friendships, etc. They are all systems. Control is not a really relevant
concept within systems, not the way you are using it. For example,
some people say, "We don't communicate." But actually, you cannot
avoid communication. When somebody says that, I respond that
"You ARE communicating, you just don't like what you are
communicating."
Similary, it is impossible to not control others and to be controlled
by others. The skill and success come in determing by whom you
are controlled and how you control others.
In other words, do you surround yourself with people who respect
and care about you. When, as inevitably they must, they control
you, it will be with love and respect. Similarly, when you control
others, as you inevitably do in a system, do you do it with love
and respect?
Control in this sense doesn't mean that somebody inserts thoughts
into your brain. That cannot be done. Nor can you project or insert
thoughts into the brains of others. But you can privide them with
information, through your words, the way you comb your hair,
your odor, eye movements, your neighboorhood, your history. And
their thoughts will be somewhat of a response to all the information
that comes with you. And same for them with you.
That is control. That's all it is. It is a flow of information.
So, can you control your own thoughts? Sure. But you will have
to deal with information and sort it and not overinterpret it.
A problem with schizophrenics, especially paranoid schizophrenics,
is that they tend to assume that thoughts are real. Thoughts are
only thoughts. If you hear voices when nobody is around, they
are not real, they are only thoughts. Nothing more. Seem real, but
they are not.
If you hear somebody at your front door when nobody is there,
it is a thought, nothing more. Seems real, but it is not.
When you preceive that somebody has an intention regarding
you, that is a thought, nothing more. Only experience and asking
the other person, and believing that other person and not just
your thoughts, will really tell you.
The secret for dealing with these things, for a schizophrenic, is
to trust a few people. Check out feelings and thoughts with
them, and believe them. Don't pick family, becasue they are
too concerned to be objective. Pick a good counselor or
therapist, for example, and every couple of weeks check out
your thougts with that person.
One of the worse things about some drug abuse is that it
damages those parts of the brain that filter and sort thoughts,
and help to determine what is real and is not. Medicine has
only a limited effect on that damage. You have to learn to
deal with the thinking process itself.
Good luck to you.
card xii
You can control your own destiny to a large extent, and you can
control your thoughts to a large extent. |
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| card xii |
| Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2007 4:37 pm |
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"Linda" <indomitable2@nospam.com> wrote in message
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Pay no attention to the dragged-out old hag behind the curtain: Linda Marie
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a well-known kook on usenet who attacks anybody and everybody on every
newsgroup.
She defends destructive, assaultive people, probably because of her own
destructive, assaultive history, and she thinks that maladaptive mothering
and
relationships are the norm -- again because of her own warped history.
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| Dr. Wee Hung Lo |
| Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2007 4:57 pm |
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"linkspider" <linkspider@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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: On Feb 17, 7:47 am, "linkspider" <linkspi...@btinternet.com> wrote:
: > On Feb 17, 12:06 am, "Dr. Wee Hung Lo" <dr....@hocho.org> wrote:
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: > > "linkspider" <linkspi...@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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: > > :I will begin with the self proclamation that I am not an
intelligent
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: > > You forgot stupid. Had you left your post with the thought above I
would
: > > have at the least felt you had some wisdom.
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: > thank you for your kind words
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It is hard for you to forget anything since you have to know something
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| linkspider |
| Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2007 5:01 pm |
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On Feb 17, 8:37 pm, "card xii" <dlrodg...@frontiersnet.net> wrote:
Quote: "Linda" <indomitab...@nospam.com> wrote in message
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Pay no attention to the dragged-out old hag behind the curtain: Linda Marie
is
a well-known kook on usenet who attacks anybody and everybody on every
newsgroup.
She defends destructive, assaultive people, probably because of her own
destructive, assaultive history, and she thinks that maladaptive mothering
and
relationships are the norm -- again because of her own warped history.
card xii
Thank you for your points. Most Gratefully.
Glen |
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| Linda |
| Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2007 5:40 pm |
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"linkspider" <linkspider@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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Quote: "Linda" <indomitab...@nospam.com> wrote in message
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Thank you for your points. Most Gratefully.
Glen
Do try and get your hands on the works of Deleuze, G. and Guattari, F, such
as A Thousand Plateua's, Anti-Oedipus: Capitalism and Schizophrenia.,
as their works will illuminate and help clarify the challenges confronting
philosophic people, such as yourself, ----whom Koochers Kooks
psychiatrize and stigmatize as schizophrenics.
Best,
Linda |
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| card xii |
| Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2007 1:08 pm |
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Quote: On Feb 17, 8:37 pm, "card xii" <dlrodg...@frontiersnet.net> wrote:
"Linda" <indomitab...@nospam.com> wrote in message
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Pay no attention to the dragged-out old hag behind the curtain: Linda
Marie
is
a well-known kook on usenet who attacks anybody and everybody on every
newsgroup.
She defends destructive, assaultive people, probably because of her own
destructive, assaultive history, and she thinks that maladaptive
mothering
and
relationships are the norm -- again because of her own warped history.
card xii
Thank you for your points. Most Gratefully.
Glen
Anybody else smell a bot?
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| linkspider |
| Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2007 4:05 pm |
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Dear card xii now you are showing your insecurities, I am most
definitely not a bot. I am a family man with a job, house, car etc etc
living in Kent in England. I thought your response was very well
thought, but you didn't answer all of the issues covered in my first
post, but your thought was good and gave me comfort. Linda however
passed me onto some very extreme reading, some of which I had thought
about before - code, the coder and the system and its definition and
understanding. I would not be telling the truth if I understood it
fully it is quite symbolic. I stopped reading after a number of pages
as all I could see was circles. Anyway, input and output is always
good, making ripples in cyberspace and watching what becomes of it
all.
I deleted the first post after the Dr Wee Hung Lo called me "stupid"
and I felt that I would get an educated response - that's why I said
thanks I thought it was quite educated. |
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| linkspider |
| Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2007 4:07 pm |
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Dear card xii now you are showing your insecurities, I am most
definitely not a bot. I am a family man with a job, house, car etc etc
living in Kent in England. I thought your response was very well
thought, but you didn't answer all of the issues covered in my first
post, but your thought was good and gave me comfort. Linda however
passed me onto some very extreme reading, some of which I had thought
about before - code, the coder and the system and its definition and
understanding. I would not be telling the truth if I understood it
fully it is quite symbolic. I stopped reading after a number of pages
as all I could see was circles. Anyway, input and output is always
good, making ripples in cyberspace and watching what becomes of it
all.
I deleted the first post after the Dr Wee Hung Lo called me "stupid"
and I felt that I wouldn't get an educated response - that's why I
said thanks I thought it was quite educated. |
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