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Dale Kelly
Posted: Sun Feb 11, 2007 12:48 am
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don't you think that people who are socially involved with someone are
more qualified to discuss their problems with them?


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Dale
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Linda
Posted: Sun Feb 11, 2007 1:46 am
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"Dale Kelly" <dale.kelly@comcast.net> wrote in message
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Quote:
don't you think that people who are socially involved with someone are
more qualified to discuss their problems with them?


More qualified then whom?


Dale Kelly
Posted: Sun Feb 11, 2007 2:59 am
Guest
On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 05:46:04 +0000, Linda wrote:

Quote:
More qualified then whom?


anyone who is not socially aware of the individual

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Dr. Wee Hung Lo
Posted: Sun Feb 11, 2007 3:17 am
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"Dale Kelly" <dale.kelly@comcast.net> wrote in message
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: don't you think that people who are socially involved with someone are
: more qualified to discuss their problems with them?
:

No
Dale Kelly
Posted: Sun Feb 11, 2007 3:19 am
Guest
On Sat, 10 Feb 2007 23:17:18 -0800, Dr. Wee Hung Lo wrote:

Quote:
No


Yes

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Dr. Wee Hung Lo
Posted: Sun Feb 11, 2007 3:23 am
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"Dale Kelly" <dale.kelly@comcast.net> wrote in message
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: On Sat, 10 Feb 2007 23:17:18 -0800, Dr. Wee Hung Lo wrote:
:
: > No
:
:
: Yes
:
bzzzzzt

wrong answer.
marcia
Posted: Sun Feb 11, 2007 3:23 am
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Dale Kelly wrote:
Quote:
don't you think that people who are socially involved with someone are
more qualified to discuss their problems with them?

I think a lot, if not most, people do discuss their problems with
friends and relatives, etc., and eventually arrive at solutions
themselves. But sometimes, the problems might be so severe that
talking to friends would be uncomfortable, or might create too heavy a
social or emotional burden for the friends, or the friends may not
have the ability or objectivity to help the person cope effectively
with the issue, imo.
marcia
Posted: Sun Feb 11, 2007 3:27 am
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Dr. Wee Hung Lo wrote:
Quote:
"Dale Kelly" <dale.kelly@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:rpqdneMoL7QLXlPYnZ2dnUVZ_qninZ2d@comcast.com...
: On Sat, 10 Feb 2007 23:17:18 -0800, Dr. Wee Hung Lo wrote:
:
: > No
:
:
: Yes
:
bzzzzzt

wrong answer.

lol. That's twice today we've been online at the same time. Shall we
dance? Wink
Socky the Puppet
Posted: Sun Feb 11, 2007 5:24 am
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On 10 Feb 2007 23:23:50 -0800, "marcia" <design1@insight.rr.com>
proclaimed to the world:

Quote:

Dale Kelly wrote:
don't you think that people who are socially involved with someone are
more qualified to discuss their problems with them?

I think a lot, if not most, people do discuss their problems with
friends and relatives, etc., and eventually arrive at solutions
themselves. But sometimes, the problems might be so severe that
talking to friends would be uncomfortable, or might create too heavy a
social or emotional burden for the friends, or the friends may not
have the ability or objectivity to help the person cope effectively
with the issue, imo.

Good answer.
Dale Kelly
Posted: Sun Feb 11, 2007 6:00 am
Guest
On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 04:24:07 -0500, Socky the Puppet wrote:

Quote:
Good answer.

actually it isn't, the implication is that only degreed psych
professionals are smart enough to know about emotions and the like,
whereby they are are just pill-pushers


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Dale
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marcia
Posted: Sun Feb 11, 2007 11:28 am
Guest
Dale Kelly wrote:
Quote:
On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 04:24:07 -0500, Socky the Puppet wrote:

Good answer.

actually it isn't, the implication is that only degreed psych
professionals are smart enough to know about emotions and the like,
whereby they are are just pill-pushers

AFAIK, the only psych professionals that push drugs are psychiatrists,
and most of them don't do therapy any more, anyway. I was thinking
specifically of psychologists, social workers, pastoral counselors,
and psych nurses, who are specially trained to help people deal with
emtional issues. And it's not a matter of them being the only ones
"smart enough" to know about emotions (although the ones on SPP are
brilliant, so that *could* skew one's perception), so much as it is
that they are the only ones who have learned specific techniques for
helping people learn to confront, accept, change and/or cope with
emotional issues.

Having said that, remember, I also said many people discuss their
problems with friends and family and eventually resolve their issues
themselves. Mental health professionals certainly don't have a corner
on the wisdom-and-empathy market; good social support is also
important to your mental health.

But some problems are larger or run deeper than friends, alone, can
deal with. I once had a friend, C, who treated all of us (her other
friends) as extensions of her personal therapist. Over time, the
conversations turned more and more to C and her complex problems and
complaints, until it reached a point that she was calling some of us 4
or 5 times a day (and in the middle of the night, which didn't make my
husband happy) just to talk about herself. Eventually, people started
finding C too self-centered and demanding to deal with, began avoiding
her phone calls, and stopped inviting her places. She had become such
a heavy social burden that no one wanted to be around her--she tended
to suck the fun out of every occasion. Of course, she didn't really
understand this and was hurt by the avoidance and exclusion.

After a couple of years, those of us who remained her friends (because
we were either spineless masochists, guilt-ridden, or both) tried to
set new boundaries with her, to get her to discuss most of her
problems with her therapist and to develop more mutual relationships
with us. We even suggested she discuss this with her therapist, which
she claimed she did, but nothing changed. C had developed a pattern of
behavior that eventually lead to the destruction of *all* her
friendships, and we had participated in that sad occurence by not
maintaining good boundaries from the beginning. This is not something
I'm proud of.

So consider C's fate before you decide to lean *too* heavily on family
and friends. Most of us love our friends and want to be there to
support them, but we also need to take care of ourselves. A good
therapist who maintains decent boundaries and offers empathetic
counsel can be valuable life-and-relationship saving resources for
people with serious problems.

That's my opinion. YMMV.

marcia
Dr. Wee Hung Lo
Posted: Sun Feb 11, 2007 1:12 pm
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"marcia" <design1@insight.rr.com> wrote in message
news:1171178854.448495.323470@p10g2000cwp.googlegroups.com...
:
: Dr. Wee Hung Lo wrote:
: > "Dale Kelly" <dale.kelly@comcast.net> wrote in message
: > news:rpqdneMoL7QLXlPYnZ2dnUVZ_qninZ2d@comcast.com...
: > : On Sat, 10 Feb 2007 23:17:18 -0800, Dr. Wee Hung Lo wrote:
: > :
: > : > No
: > :
: > :
: > : Yes
: > :
: > bzzzzzt
: >
: > wrong answer.
:
: lol. That's twice today we've been online at the same time. Shall we
: dance? Wink
:

;)

Maestro, music please.
Dr. Wee Hung Lo
Posted: Sun Feb 11, 2007 1:19 pm
Guest
"marcia" <design1@insight.rr.com> wrote in message
news:1171207732.250923.147640@v33g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...
:
: Dale Kelly wrote:
: > On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 04:24:07 -0500, Socky the Puppet wrote:
: >
: > > Good answer.
: >
: > actually it isn't, the implication is that only degreed psych
: > professionals are smart enough to know about emotions and the like,
: > whereby they are are just pill-pushers
:
: AFAIK, the only psych professionals that push drugs are psychiatrists,
: and most of them don't do therapy any more, anyway. I was thinking
: specifically of psychologists, social workers, pastoral counselors,
: and psych nurses, who are specially trained to help people deal with
: emtional issues. And it's not a matter of them being the only ones
: "smart enough" to know about emotions (although the ones on SPP are
: brilliant, so that *could* skew one's perception), so much as it is
: that they are the only ones who have learned specific techniques for
: helping people learn to confront, accept, change and/or cope with
: emotional issues.
:
: Having said that, remember, I also said many people discuss their
: problems with friends and family and eventually resolve their issues
: themselves. Mental health professionals certainly don't have a corner
: on the wisdom-and-empathy market; good social support is also
: important to your mental health.
:
: But some problems are larger or run deeper than friends, alone, can
: deal with. I once had a friend, C, who treated all of us (her other
: friends) as extensions of her personal therapist. Over time, the
: conversations turned more and more to C and her complex problems and
: complaints, until it reached a point that she was calling some of us 4
: or 5 times a day (and in the middle of the night, which didn't make my
: husband happy) just to talk about herself. Eventually, people started
: finding C too self-centered and demanding to deal with, began avoiding
: her phone calls, and stopped inviting her places. She had become such
: a heavy social burden that no one wanted to be around her--she tended
: to suck the fun out of every occasion. Of course, she didn't really
: understand this and was hurt by the avoidance and exclusion.
:
: After a couple of years, those of us who remained her friends (because
: we were either spineless masochists, guilt-ridden, or both) tried to
: set new boundaries with her, to get her to discuss most of her
: problems with her therapist and to develop more mutual relationships
: with us. We even suggested she discuss this with her therapist, which
: she claimed she did, but nothing changed. C had developed a pattern of
: behavior that eventually lead to the destruction of *all* her
: friendships, and we had participated in that sad occurence by not
: maintaining good boundaries from the beginning. This is not something
: I'm proud of.
:
: So consider C's fate before you decide to lean *too* heavily on family
: and friends. Most of us love our friends and want to be there to
: support them, but we also need to take care of ourselves. A good
: therapist who maintains decent boundaries and offers empathetic
: counsel can be valuable life-and-relationship saving resources for
: people with serious problems.
:
: That's my opinion. YMMV.
:
: marcia
:

Heh, don't knock yourself out over this, it is difficult to walk away
from a wounded dog.

We've all had acquaintances like that, I'd bet the next time you
recognized the symptoms and maintained your distance from the beginning.
marcia
Posted: Sun Feb 11, 2007 2:39 pm
Guest
Dr. Wee Hung Lo wrote:
Quote:
"marcia" <design1@insight.rr.com> wrote in message
news:1171207732.250923.147640@v33g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...
:
: Dale Kelly wrote:
: > On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 04:24:07 -0500, Socky the Puppet wrote:
:
: > > Good answer.
:
: > actually it isn't, the implication is that only degreed psych
: > professionals are smart enough to know about emotions and the like,
: > whereby they are are just pill-pushers
:
: AFAIK, the only psych professionals that push drugs are psychiatrists,
: and most of them don't do therapy any more, anyway. I was thinking
: specifically of psychologists, social workers, pastoral counselors,
: and psych nurses, who are specially trained to help people deal with
: emtional issues. And it's not a matter of them being the only ones
: "smart enough" to know about emotions (although the ones on SPP are
: brilliant, so that *could* skew one's perception), so much as it is
: that they are the only ones who have learned specific techniques for
: helping people learn to confront, accept, change and/or cope with
: emotional issues.
:
: Having said that, remember, I also said many people discuss their
: problems with friends and family and eventually resolve their issues
: themselves. Mental health professionals certainly don't have a corner
: on the wisdom-and-empathy market; good social support is also
: important to your mental health.
:
: But some problems are larger or run deeper than friends, alone, can
: deal with. I once had a friend, C, who treated all of us (her other
: friends) as extensions of her personal therapist. Over time, the
: conversations turned more and more to C and her complex problems and
: complaints, until it reached a point that she was calling some of us 4
: or 5 times a day (and in the middle of the night, which didn't make my
: husband happy) just to talk about herself. Eventually, people started
: finding C too self-centered and demanding to deal with, began avoiding
: her phone calls, and stopped inviting her places. She had become such
: a heavy social burden that no one wanted to be around her--she tended
: to suck the fun out of every occasion. Of course, she didn't really
: understand this and was hurt by the avoidance and exclusion.
:
: After a couple of years, those of us who remained her friends (because
: we were either spineless masochists, guilt-ridden, or both) tried to
: set new boundaries with her, to get her to discuss most of her
: problems with her therapist and to develop more mutual relationships
: with us. We even suggested she discuss this with her therapist, which
: she claimed she did, but nothing changed. C had developed a pattern of
: behavior that eventually lead to the destruction of *all* her
: friendships, and we had participated in that sad occurence by not
: maintaining good boundaries from the beginning. This is not something
: I'm proud of.
:
: So consider C's fate before you decide to lean *too* heavily on family
: and friends. Most of us love our friends and want to be there to
: support them, but we also need to take care of ourselves. A good
: therapist who maintains decent boundaries and offers empathetic
: counsel can be valuable life-and-relationship saving resources for
: people with serious problems.
:
: That's my opinion. YMMV.
:
: marcia
:

Heh, don't knock yourself out over this, it is difficult to walk away
from a wounded dog.

We've all had acquaintances like that, I'd bet the next time you
recognized the symptoms and maintained your distance from the beginning.

Oh, yeah. You got *that* right. <g>
 
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