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Andre Lieven
Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 1:14 am
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"Danny Deger" (dannydeger@hotmail.com) oozed nothing of consequence

Thank you for your *total* concession on the topic at hand, as
you have not even attempted to debate/refute what you dishonestly
snipped out.

That proves that you are a nothing more than a *troll*.

Buy Bye. PLONK !

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"Andre Lieven" <dg411@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote what Deger Troll could
NOT deal with in news:eqgmmm$cl1$1@theodyn.ncf.ca.

Andre
treeleaf7@yahoo.com
Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 4:49 am
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On Feb 8, 9:11 pm, d...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Andre Lieven) wrote:
Quote:
"treele...@yahoo.com" (treele...@yahoo.com) writes:
On Feb 8, 12:08 pm, d...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Andre Lieven) wrote:
"Steven L." (sdlit...@earthlinkNOSPAM.net) writes:
treele...@yahoo.com wrote:
Yeah, Nowak did the stalking but the other two of the love triangle
could come out looking like a bunch of teenagers.

Will Oefelein fly again?

Will Shipman advance in her career?

What do you think?

First of all, Shipman is not an astronaut. She is the innocent victim here.

You MS-spelled " AN innocent victim... ".

Secondly, Oefelein was apparently leading two different women along,

No proof offered ? Claim fails.

Nowak and Shipman, while his own marriage had foundered. And a moral
cheat is a moral cheat. I remember something Ross Perot once said: "If
a guy cheats on his own wife in marriage, how can I ever trust that he
won't cheat me in business?" To me, cheating on your wife or girlfriend
is ipso facto proof of duplicitous character and bad judgment, and
somebody like that shouldn't be an astronaut.

Then, its a very Good Thing that no one wants a rush-to-judge-with-NO-
facts goon like you placed in charge of anything...

As yet, there is simply NO evidence that Nowak's desire for Oefelein
was in any way reciprocated by him, or even *known* to him.

I prefer to await FACTS before condemning people. The FACTS over
what Nowak did, and had with her, to do more, are in.

Andre

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,250851,00.html

Other Man's Mother-in-Law: Nowak Broke Up My Daughter's Marriage

CAPE CANAVERAL, Fla. - The star-crossed space cadet who allegedly
made it her mission to murder the woman dating her Cape Canaveral
crush helped break up his 17-year marriage, his former mother-in-law
said yesterday.

Shuttle pilot Bill Oefelein's ex-wife's mom claimed yesterday that
Lisa Nowak's gravitations toward the flyboy caused his marriage to
crash and burn in 2005.

She said their relationship devastated his wife, Michaella, who filed
for divorce.

"She broke my daughter's heart," Charlene Davis said by phone from
Kona, Hawaii.

This might have been somewhat convincing IF the mother in law had said
such *before* this incident occured...

Gee, is it possible that a conniving and involved person who bears
some animus towards her daughter's ex husband might just be trying
to score points against him, *now that this is a national story* ?

Hmmmmm ?

Good point. I'll keep an open mind about it.

Quote:

Its kinda like finding out that, *after* you win the $100 Million
lottery, that girls find you... very, very attractive. But, the ones
that liked you *before* that win are the honest ones... The others
only have a motive to cash in...

Andre- Hide quoted text -

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Andre Lieven
Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 1:25 pm
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"treeleaf7@yahoo.com" (treeleaf7@yahoo.com) writes:
Quote:
On Feb 8, 9:11 pm, d...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Andre Lieven) wrote:
"treele...@yahoo.com" (treele...@yahoo.com) writes:
On Feb 8, 12:08 pm, d...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Andre Lieven) wrote:
"Steven L." (sdlit...@earthlinkNOSPAM.net) writes:
treele...@yahoo.com wrote:
Yeah, Nowak did the stalking but the other two of the love triangle
could come out looking like a bunch of teenagers.

Will Oefelein fly again?

Will Shipman advance in her career?

What do you think?

First of all, Shipman is not an astronaut. She is the innocent victim here.

You MS-spelled " AN innocent victim... ".

Secondly, Oefelein was apparently leading two different women along,

No proof offered ? Claim fails.

Nowak and Shipman, while his own marriage had foundered. And a moral
cheat is a moral cheat. I remember something Ross Perot once said: "If
a guy cheats on his own wife in marriage, how can I ever trust that he
won't cheat me in business?" To me, cheating on your wife or girlfriend
is ipso facto proof of duplicitous character and bad judgment, and
somebody like that shouldn't be an astronaut.

Then, its a very Good Thing that no one wants a rush-to-judge-with-NO-
facts goon like you placed in charge of anything...

As yet, there is simply NO evidence that Nowak's desire for Oefelein
was in any way reciprocated by him, or even *known* to him.

I prefer to await FACTS before condemning people. The FACTS over
what Nowak did, and had with her, to do more, are in.

Andre

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,250851,00.html

Other Man's Mother-in-Law: Nowak Broke Up My Daughter's Marriage

CAPE CANAVERAL, Fla. - The star-crossed space cadet who allegedly
made it her mission to murder the woman dating her Cape Canaveral
crush helped break up his 17-year marriage, his former mother-in-law
said yesterday.

Shuttle pilot Bill Oefelein's ex-wife's mom claimed yesterday that
Lisa Nowak's gravitations toward the flyboy caused his marriage to
crash and burn in 2005.

She said their relationship devastated his wife, Michaella, who filed
for divorce.

"She broke my daughter's heart," Charlene Davis said by phone from
Kona, Hawaii.

This might have been somewhat convincing IF the mother in law had said
such *before* this incident occured...

Gee, is it possible that a conniving and involved person who bears
some animus towards her daughter's ex husband might just be trying
to score points against him, *now that this is a national story* ?

Hmmmmm ?

Good point. I'll keep an open mind about it.

Excellent. My point here is that the facts that we currently know of do
show that Nowak has committed at least one criminal offense, and likely
was going to try to commit several more. But, there are simply no
verified facts that show or suggest that anyone else in the circle of
acquaintences had done, or tried to do anything illegal or militarily
actionable.

If facts that have been verifyed ( An involved party's sole claim fails
to meet that test ) that then involve others, well, then the matter can
be re-evaluated. Until then, knee jerking to fact free judgements is...

silly. At the very least.

Quote:
Its kinda like finding out that, *after* you win the $100 Million
lottery, that girls find you... very, very attractive. But, the ones
that liked you *before* that win are the honest ones... The others
only have a motive to cash in...

Andre
Yama
Posted: Sat Feb 10, 2007 2:26 pm
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Danny Deger <dannydeger@hotmail.com> wrote:
: "Andre Lieven" <dg411@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote in message
: news:eqfvvi$1dp$1@theodyn.ncf.ca...
: snip
: > Then, its a very Good Thing that no one wants a rush-to-judge-with-NO-
: > facts goon like you placed in charge of anything...
: >

: Is it essential to you that you insult people that make a statement you
: disagree with?

Yes, it is. Next question.
Bucky
Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 3:51 am
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On Feb 8, 9:14 am, "Steven L." <sdlit...@earthlinkNOSPAM.net> wrote:
Quote:
Secondly, Oefelein was apparently leading two different women along,

maybe. Or maybe Nowak was delusional and thought that Oefelein had an
interest in her.
 
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