I have the feeling I have been given a label so that people can write me
off and say there is no hope and so no one has to suggest anything more
or
offer anything more.

Usually, individuals with borderline personality are treated with
antidepressant medication, less often with antipsychotic medications or
antianxiety medications. In my own, personal opinion, I don't think they
work. Instead, I think that good, insight-oriented psychotherapy is the
best course. And typically, it takes longer than therapy for other
disorders. Reason for the length of time and also the effectiveness? The
very issues that are a problem for the borderline personality (parental or
authority figures, emotinal immaturity, and depression with an interpersonal
tone) are the very things most easily brought out and dealt with in
insight-oriented psychotherapy.

By insight-oriented therapy, I mean client-centered, interpersonal, and
maybe dialectical therapy. The data are still coming in on the last one,
and I think that all three are effective if and only if the therapist is
kind, firm, patient, and wisely empathetic.

On the other hand, not all individuals with bipolar disorder become
depressed. The old term, "manic depressive," was never considered to be an
accurate term. Though many such individuals do alternate between periods of
depression and hypomania, some exhibit only one of the extremes.

In fact, even depression as described above (angry depression, labile
emotions, etc.) does not necessarily mean that there is a borderline
depression. There could be very good reasons for those emotions and
reactions, and that has to be ruled out first. For example, a feeling of
hopelessness can lead to the same effects, or a feeling that one has been
abandoned by a loved one.

My real point? Good luck, and stick with treatment. None of what you
describe sounds like fun, for sure, and the chances of your feeling better,
much better, are good. Hang in and again, good luck!

card xii

"confused@com" <confusedcom@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
news:mdCdnZQ6q8cH_gzYnZ2dnUVZ8t-nnZ2d@bt.com...

I have the feeling I have been given a label so that people can write me
off and say there is no hope and so no one has to suggest anything more
or
offer anything more.

It IS a wastebasket dx.

Before you give up all hope, see an endocrinologist.

As there are several endocrine conditions which trigger psych symptoms which
are often mis-diagnosed as BPD.

Also, read the literature wrt MAOI"s for BPD.

Furthermore, some researchers believe opiate based meds such as Nalmefene
HCl may prove helpful for BPD.

"card xii" <dlrodgers@frontiersnet.net> wrote in message
news:vYbkh.8469$ya1.1630@news02.roc.ny...

Excuse me if I get a bit teacherly, but there are several important
concepts
here that you would profit from understanding. It is good that you
clarified that you referred to borderline personality.

The most important criteria for borderline personality disorder are labile
emotions,

This is what I cannot understand. I dont think I fit the criteria from
reading about them. I do not have changeable emotions.

frequent angry depression,

I get depressed and I know people say that depression is anger directed
inward but I dont have anger outbursts at all. In fact someone once said I
needed to get angry because I didnt kno how to be angry.

and difficulty dealing with parental
figures in day-to-day life.

I dont have this problem. I always got on well with my parents. I am quite
compliant mostly for nearly everyone. In fact forget the nearly. I am a
total doormat and I know it.

Strong suicidal urges are frequent.

I did try to kill myself. I didnt succeed more by accident that design but
only did it once.

Many
people would include a history of abuse during childhood,

no, that one doesnt apply at all, I am sure.

But basically, the name describes it all: the personality
is not fully developed or stabilized so the individual does not have a
consistent, mature coping strategy.

That bit is probably true. I admit I cannot cope.

Usually, individuals with borderline personality are treated with
antidepressant medication,

Yes, been given these , they dont seem to work very much.

less often with antipsychotic medications

No,

or
antianxiety medications.

again dont really work.

I have the feeling I have been given a label so that people can write me
off and say there is no hope and so no one has to suggest anything more or
offer anything more.

In my own, personal opinion, I don't think they
work. Instead, I think that good, insight-oriented psychotherapy is the
best course. And typically, it takes longer than therapy for other
disorders. Reason for the length of time and also the effectiveness? The
very issues that are a problem for the borderline personality (parental or
authority figures, emotinal immaturity, and depression with an
interpersonal
tone) are the very things most easily brought out and dealt with in
insight-oriented psychotherapy.

By insight-oriented therapy, I mean client-centered, interpersonal, and
maybe dialectical therapy. The data are still coming in on the last one,
and I think that all three are effective if and only if the therapist is
kind, firm, patient, and wisely empathetic.

Thank you for the information and taking the time to explain.

MHP's who are willing to "treat" people with socalled borderline PD are
all unethical---and, more often then not, they are sexual predators
to boot.

On 27 Dec 2006 10:24:28 -0800, "Linda Gore" <Indomitable2@netzero.com
proclaimed to the world:

MHP's who are willing to "treat" people with socalled borderline PD are
all unethical---and, more often then not, they are sexual predators
to boot.

Making statements like this just puts another validation stamp on your
kook card.

card xii wrote:

Usually, individuals with borderline personality are treated with
antidepressant medication, less often with antipsychotic medications or
antianxiety medications. In my own, personal opinion, I don't think they
work. Instead, I think that good, insight-oriented psychotherapy is the
best course. And typically, it takes longer than therapy for other
disorders. Reason for the length of time and also the effectiveness?
The
very issues that are a problem for the borderline personality (parental
or
authority figures, emotinal immaturity, and depression with an
interpersonal
tone) are the very things most easily brought out and dealt with in
insight-oriented psychotherapy.

By insight-oriented therapy, I mean client-centered, interpersonal, and
maybe dialectical therapy. The data are still coming in on the last one,
and I think that all three are effective if and only if the therapist is
kind, firm, patient, and wisely empathetic.

On the other hand, not all individuals with bipolar disorder become
depressed. The old term, "manic depressive," was never considered to be
an
accurate term. Though many such individuals do alternate between periods
of
depression and hypomania, some exhibit only one of the extremes.

In fact, even depression as described above (angry depression, labile
emotions, etc.) does not necessarily mean that there is a borderline
depression. There could be very good reasons for those emotions and
reactions, and that has to be ruled out first. For example, a feeling of
hopelessness can lead to the same effects, or a feeling that one has been
abandoned by a loved one.

My real point? Good luck, and stick with treatment. None of what you
describe sounds like fun, for sure, and the chances of your feeling
better,
much better, are good. Hang in and again, good luck!

card xii

You should have added, and not left it unsaid "...according to current
belief and practice". The way you talk about it seems as though it is
unassailable truth, but most of it needs to be argued for.

"John Jones" <jonescardiff@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1167214248.240722.37440@i12g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...

card xii wrote:

Usually, individuals with borderline personality are treated with
antidepressant medication, less often with antipsychotic medications or
antianxiety medications. In my own, personal opinion, I don't think they
work. Instead, I think that good, insight-oriented psychotherapy is the
best course. And typically, it takes longer than therapy for other
disorders. Reason for the length of time and also the effectiveness?
The
very issues that are a problem for the borderline personality (parental
or
authority figures, emotinal immaturity, and depression with an
interpersonal
tone) are the very things most easily brought out and dealt with in
insight-oriented psychotherapy.

By insight-oriented therapy, I mean client-centered, interpersonal, and
maybe dialectical therapy. The data are still coming in on the last one,
and I think that all three are effective if and only if the therapist is
kind, firm, patient, and wisely empathetic.

On the other hand, not all individuals with bipolar disorder become
depressed. The old term, "manic depressive," was never considered to be
an
accurate term. Though many such individuals do alternate between periods
of
depression and hypomania, some exhibit only one of the extremes.

In fact, even depression as described above (angry depression, labile
emotions, etc.) does not necessarily mean that there is a borderline
depression. There could be very good reasons for those emotions and
reactions, and that has to be ruled out first. For example, a feeling of
hopelessness can lead to the same effects, or a feeling that one has been
abandoned by a loved one.

My real point? Good luck, and stick with treatment. None of what you
describe sounds like fun, for sure, and the chances of your feeling
better,
much better, are good. Hang in and again, good luck!

card xii

You should have added, and not left it unsaid "...according to current
belief and practice". The way you talk about it seems as though it is
unassailable truth, but most of it needs to be argued for.

You must be responding to some other post, because your response is
pedantically irrelevant.

Are you aiming for a 'plonk?'

card xii

On 27 Dec 2006 I stormed the castle called sci.psychology.psychotherapy
and
heard Socky the Puppet cry out in news:7cv5p2djum70v78s10apevqieqahp0quh9@
4ax.com...

On 27 Dec 2006 10:24:28 -0800, "Linda Gore" <Indomitable2@netzero.com
proclaimed to the world:

MHP's who are willing to "treat" people with socalled borderline PD are
all unethical---and, more often then not, they are sexual predators
to boot.

Making statements like this just puts another validation stamp on your
kook card.


Is there room for more stamps on her card? lol

"ThePsyko" <thepsyko@itookmyprozac.com> wrote in message
news:Xns98A6A046FA03ALifeIsGood@nntp.petitmorte.net...
On 27 Dec 2006 I stormed the castle called
sci.psychology.psychotherapy and
heard Socky the Puppet cry out in
news:7cv5p2djum70v78s10apevqieqahp0quh9@ 4ax.com...

On 27 Dec 2006 10:24:28 -0800, "Linda Gore"
Indomitable2@netzero.com> proclaimed to the world:

MHP's who are willing to "treat" people with socalled borderline PD
are all unethical---and, more often then not, they are sexual
predators to boot.

Making statements like this just puts another validation stamp on
your kook card.


Is there room for more stamps on her card? lol


Really scared me. When I first read it, I read "on your dance card."
The thought of Linda Lamer having a dance card was horrible.

But kook card? She has a canasta deck full of those, already full.

card xii

On 28 Dec 2006 I stormed the castle called sci.psychology.psychotherapy
and heard Card XII cry out in news:cPQkh.8583$ya1.3309@news02.roc.ny...


"ThePsyko" <thepsyko@itookmyprozac.com> wrote in message
news:Xns98A6A046FA03ALifeIsGood@nntp.petitmorte.net...
On 27 Dec 2006 I stormed the castle called
sci.psychology.psychotherapy and
heard Socky the Puppet cry out in
news:7cv5p2djum70v78s10apevqieqahp0quh9@ 4ax.com...

On 27 Dec 2006 10:24:28 -0800, "Linda Gore"
Indomitable2@netzero.com> proclaimed to the world:

MHP's who are willing to "treat" people with socalled borderline PD
are all unethical---and, more often then not, they are sexual
predators to boot.

Making statements like this just puts another validation stamp on
your kook card.


Is there room for more stamps on her card? lol


Really scared me. When I first read it, I read "on your dance card."
The thought of Linda Lamer having a dance card was horrible.

I wouldn't be surprised if she was a flailer on the dance floor...

card xii wrote:

"John Jones" <jonescardiff@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1167214248.240722.37440@i12g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...

card xii wrote:

Usually, individuals with borderline personality are treated with
antidepressant medication, less often with antipsychotic medications
or
antianxiety medications. In my own, personal opinion, I don't think
they
work. Instead, I think that good, insight-oriented psychotherapy is
the
best course. And typically, it takes longer than therapy for other
disorders. Reason for the length of time and also the effectiveness?
The
very issues that are a problem for the borderline personality
(parental
or
authority figures, emotinal immaturity, and depression with an
interpersonal
tone) are the very things most easily brought out and dealt with in
insight-oriented psychotherapy.

By insight-oriented therapy, I mean client-centered, interpersonal,
and
maybe dialectical therapy. The data are still coming in on the last
one,
and I think that all three are effective if and only if the therapist
is
kind, firm, patient, and wisely empathetic.

On the other hand, not all individuals with bipolar disorder become
depressed. The old term, "manic depressive," was never considered to
be
an
accurate term. Though many such individuals do alternate between
periods
of
depression and hypomania, some exhibit only one of the extremes.

In fact, even depression as described above (angry depression, labile
emotions, etc.) does not necessarily mean that there is a borderline
depression. There could be very good reasons for those emotions and
reactions, and that has to be ruled out first. For example, a feeling
of
hopelessness can lead to the same effects, or a feeling that one has
been
abandoned by a loved one.

My real point? Good luck, and stick with treatment. None of what you
describe sounds like fun, for sure, and the chances of your feeling
better,
much better, are good. Hang in and again, good luck!

card xii

You should have added, and not left it unsaid "...according to current
belief and practice". The way you talk about it seems as though it is
unassailable truth, but most of it needs to be argued for.

You must be responding to some other post, because your response is
pedantically irrelevant.

Are you aiming for a 'plonk?'

card xii

I meant you. It seems that you consider received clinical wisdom as
unassaillable. Hypomania, bipolar, anti-psychotic - anti-anxiety
medication ... you talk as if these terms reflect real 'conditions' of
a person, rather than being theoretical tools used to serve current
belief and practice.

"John Jones" <jonescardiff@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1167303621.832767.59390@h40g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...

card xii wrote:

"John Jones" <jonescardiff@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1167214248.240722.37440@i12g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...

card xii wrote:

Usually, individuals with borderline personality are treated with
antidepressant medication, less often with antipsychotic medications
or
antianxiety medications. In my own, personal opinion, I don't think
they
work. Instead, I think that good, insight-oriented psychotherapy is
the
best course. And typically, it takes longer than therapy for other
disorders. Reason for the length of time and also the effectiveness?
The
very issues that are a problem for the borderline personality
(parental
or
authority figures, emotinal immaturity, and depression with an
interpersonal
tone) are the very things most easily brought out and dealt with in
insight-oriented psychotherapy.

By insight-oriented therapy, I mean client-centered, interpersonal,
and
maybe dialectical therapy. The data are still coming in on the last
one,
and I think that all three are effective if and only if the therapist
is
kind, firm, patient, and wisely empathetic.

On the other hand, not all individuals with bipolar disorder become
depressed. The old term, "manic depressive," was never considered to
be
an
accurate term. Though many such individuals do alternate between
periods
of
depression and hypomania, some exhibit only one of the extremes.

In fact, even depression as described above (angry depression, labile
emotions, etc.) does not necessarily mean that there is a borderline
depression. There could be very good reasons for those emotions and
reactions, and that has to be ruled out first. For example, a feeling
of
hopelessness can lead to the same effects, or a feeling that one has
been
abandoned by a loved one.

My real point? Good luck, and stick with treatment. None of what you
describe sounds like fun, for sure, and the chances of your feeling
better,
much better, are good. Hang in and again, good luck!

card xii

You should have added, and not left it unsaid "...according to current
belief and practice". The way you talk about it seems as though it is
unassailable truth, but most of it needs to be argued for.

You must be responding to some other post, because your response is
pedantically irrelevant.

Are you aiming for a 'plonk?'

card xii

I meant you. It seems that you consider received clinical wisdom as
unassaillable. Hypomania, bipolar, anti-psychotic - anti-anxiety
medication ... you talk as if these terms reflect real 'conditions' of
a person, rather than being theoretical tools used to serve current
belief and practice.

No, you didn't mean me. You obviously did not comprehend what I wrote, or
other insightful comments by Marcia, Psyko, etc.

You just roll out the only phrase you know. Uninformed, unliked,
uninformed.

What a lamer.


card xii
Hammer of Thor, May 2005
Order of the detrevnI Buckyball
Stalking Filth #17

I have been looking through loads of groups. Odd subject for Christmas day
perhaps.

I wonder if someone could explain to me in simple terms what BPD is? More
importantly what causes it?

Thank you.