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| LB |
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I had always heard that a cold water pipe makes a good electrical
ground. If copper, use a copper clamp and if steel use a steel clamp?
Can copper react with steel? Seems I remember some nasty
incompatabilities between certain metals from high school science. Can
someone give me the basics or point me in the right direction
regarding incompatible metals and corrosion? Thanks.
LB |
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| Homer J Simpson |
| Posted: Sat Feb 10, 2007 1:20 am |
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"LB" <spammenot@nospam.net> wrote in message
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Quote: I had always heard that a cold water pipe makes a good electrical
ground. If copper, use a copper clamp and if steel use a steel clamp?
What are you grounding and why? |
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| AB |
| Posted: Sat Feb 10, 2007 4:03 am |
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On Sat, 10 Feb 2007 05:21:58 GMT, "Homer J Simpson"
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"LB" <spammenot@nospam.net> wrote in message
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I had always heard that a cold water pipe makes a good electrical
ground. If copper, use a copper clamp and if steel use a steel clamp?
What are you grounding and why?
The ground from my original telephone service that was done in 1933.
I'm getting rid of that cold water pipe soon and need to move it to a
newer pipe a few feet away. I know the telco would probably come and
do it for free, but I hate to give up a whole day of work waiting for
them to show up. |
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| Jamie |
| Posted: Sat Feb 10, 2007 2:33 pm |
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LB wrote:
Quote: I had always heard that a cold water pipe makes a good electrical
ground. If copper, use a copper clamp and if steel use a steel clamp?
Can copper react with steel? Seems I remember some nasty
incompatabilities between certain metals from high school science. Can
someone give me the basics or point me in the right direction
regarding incompatible metals and corrosion? Thanks.
LB
That way of thinking should be avoided, plumbing should not be used
for grounding electrical devices how ever, the plumbing should be
grounded to a real earth ground in various places but not for the
use to allow electrical devices to connect to the pipe as a path to
an earth ground.
Problem 1.
Most plumbing these days have plastic here and there and you can not
rely on it being firmly in the ground along with soil problems.
Problem 2.
Plumbing should have a good earth ground connected to it, this helps
reduce the chance of shock if one should be hanging on a faucet in the
middle of a T-storm or standing in the tub etc..
Also, electrical devices connected to the pipe if enter in a state of
short can cause current to flow through fittings and end up causing
electrical shock to others that have their hands on the plumbing else where.
In practice, the Electrical system should have it's own earth ground
electrode entering the sub panel where it is to be connected..
If you are concerned about earth grounding on a device then drive an
electrode into your ground and connect to that.
also use appropriate ground wire., if you're in an R.F. environment and
trying to reduce RF from riding up the ground wires? i have used a
shielded ground made from heavy gauged coax. With that, you connect the
braid and center together at the ground electrode, bring it into the
location of the equipment and use only the center conductor, tape back
the shield so that it does not come in contact with any thing on that end.
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| Homer J Simpson |
| Posted: Sat Feb 10, 2007 2:34 pm |
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"AB" <addiebspamnot@anywhere.net> wrote in message
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Quote: What are you grounding and why?
The ground from my original telephone service that was done in 1933.
I'm getting rid of that cold water pipe soon and need to move it to a
newer pipe a few feet away. I know the telco would probably come and
do it for free, but I hate to give up a whole day of work waiting for
them to show up.
Do Telco's ground these at the residence any more? Might be worth a phone
call first.
Copper or steel pipe I used a brass grounding clamp and made sure the pipe
was really clean (emery cloth) in either case. |
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| ehsjr |
| Posted: Sat Feb 10, 2007 4:46 pm |
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Jamie wrote:
Quote: LB wrote:
I had always heard that a cold water pipe makes a good electrical
ground. If copper, use a copper clamp and if steel use a steel clamp?
Can copper react with steel? Seems I remember some nasty
incompatabilities between certain metals from high school science. Can
someone give me the basics or point me in the right direction
regarding incompatible metals and corrosion? Thanks.
LB
That way of thinking should be avoided,
What you wrote could be taken the wrong way.
If an electrically continuous metal underground water
pipe exists on the premises and is in contact with the
earth for at least 10 feet, it is *required* to be part
of the grounding electrode system per NEC 250.50.
I think your point is that the devices that use electricity
should be connected to an equipment grounding conductor (EGC),
not the cold water piping in your house. The EGC is connected
to the electrode grounding system at the service panel. The
electrode grounding system includes water pipes in accordance
with the paragraph above.
And the way of thinking that says dissimilar metals
in contact with one another is correct - you need to
be sure that proper metals are chosen.
Ed
Quote: plumbing should not be used
for grounding electrical devices how ever, the plumbing should be
grounded to a real earth ground in various places but not for the
use to allow electrical devices to connect to the pipe as a path to
an earth ground.
Problem 1.
Most plumbing these days have plastic here and there and you can not
rely on it being firmly in the ground along with soil problems.
Problem 2.
Plumbing should have a good earth ground connected to it, this helps
reduce the chance of shock if one should be hanging on a faucet in the
middle of a T-storm or standing in the tub etc..
Also, electrical devices connected to the pipe if enter in a state of
short can cause current to flow through fittings and end up causing
electrical shock to others that have their hands on the plumbing else
where.
In practice, the Electrical system should have it's own earth ground
electrode entering the sub panel where it is to be connected..
If you are concerned about earth grounding on a device then drive an
electrode into your ground and connect to that.
also use appropriate ground wire., if you're in an R.F. environment and
trying to reduce RF from riding up the ground wires? i have used a
shielded ground made from heavy gauged coax. With that, you connect the
braid and center together at the ground electrode, bring it into the
location of the equipment and use only the center conductor, tape back
the shield so that it does not come in contact with any thing on that end.
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| Peter Bennett |
| Posted: Sat Feb 10, 2007 10:55 pm |
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On Sat, 10 Feb 2007 03:03:41 -0500, AB <addiebspamnot@anywhere.net>
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Quote: On Sat, 10 Feb 2007 05:21:58 GMT, "Homer J Simpson"
nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
"LB" <spammenot@nospam.net> wrote in message
news:33kqs2lhbvs2omc5bhrk75q8iu8had5u6i@4ax.com...
I had always heard that a cold water pipe makes a good electrical
ground. If copper, use a copper clamp and if steel use a steel clamp?
What are you grounding and why?
The ground from my original telephone service that was done in 1933.
I'm getting rid of that cold water pipe soon and need to move it to a
newer pipe a few feet away. I know the telco would probably come and
do it for free, but I hate to give up a whole day of work waiting for
them to show up.
In ancient times, when we had party lines, with selective ringing
arranged by connecting ringers between one or the other phone wire and
ground, you did need a ground, but I don't think that system is used
much any more. Unless you have such an arrangement, you shouldn't
need a ground for the phone line.
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| Posted: Sun Feb 11, 2007 12:41 am |
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On Sat, 10 Feb 2007 00:01:02 -0500, LB <spammenot@nospam.net> wrote:
Quote: I had always heard that a cold water pipe makes a good electrical
ground. If copper, use a copper clamp and if steel use a steel clamp?
Can copper react with steel? Seems I remember some nasty
incompatabilities between certain metals from high school science. Can
someone give me the basics or point me in the right direction
regarding incompatible metals and corrosion? Thanks.
LB
Cold water pipes used to make good grounds. With modern construction
there may be plastic in the system. - inside or outside the house.
Galvanized pipe may have bad electrical joints so should be connected
as close to the street (service entrance) as possible.
Don't use it for a power ground - Safer to put in a proper ground
rod.
1/2" or 3/4" 10 foot copper pipe with a heavy gauge wire sweated to
it works well. If the soil isn't too rocky the pipe can be washed
into the ground. Or just get a copper- weld ground rod and drive it
into the ground. They don't cost much
Dissimilar metals should be avoided due to galvanic action and
corrosion. You can usually find grounding clamps with either copper
plating or zinc plating for the purpose.
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| Posted: Sun Feb 11, 2007 12:56 am |
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On Sat, 10 Feb 2007 03:03:41 -0500, AB <addiebspamnot@anywhere.net>
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Quote: On Sat, 10 Feb 2007 05:21:58 GMT, "Homer J Simpson"
nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
"LB" <spammenot@nospam.net> wrote in message
news:33kqs2lhbvs2omc5bhrk75q8iu8had5u6i@4ax.com...
I had always heard that a cold water pipe makes a good electrical
ground. If copper, use a copper clamp and if steel use a steel clamp?
What are you grounding and why?
The ground from my original telephone service that was done in 1933.
I'm getting rid of that cold water pipe soon and need to move it to a
newer pipe a few feet away. I know the telco would probably come and
do it for free, but I hate to give up a whole day of work waiting for
them to show up.
The ground on telephones these days is for the lightening arresters.
It won't affect the operation of the phone but may save you or your
modem from destruction.
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