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Dan Abel
Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 10:36 pm
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In article <QN2dnWfu16wm-AjYnZ2dnUVZ_o-knZ2d@giganews.com>,
"Mike Tyner" <mtyner@mindspring.com> wrote:

Quote:
otisbrown@pa.net> wrote

In fact there are two DIFFERENT methods of judging
a person's refractive STATE.

Yes but your two "methods" don't really address her question, do they?

She is asking why you can't predict VA from refraction.


My wife was a chemist. Her boss was also. He wanted a formula to
convert volume into weight. She couldn't do that.
Neil Brooks
Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 10:46 pm
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Dan Abel wrote:
Quote:
In article <QN2dnWfu16wm-AjYnZ2dnUVZ_o-knZ2d@giganews.com>,
"Mike Tyner" <mtyner@mindspring.com> wrote:

otisbrown@pa.net> wrote

In fact there are two DIFFERENT methods of judging
a person's refractive STATE.
Yes but your two "methods" don't really address her question, do they?

She is asking why you can't predict VA from refraction.


My wife was a chemist. Her boss was also. He wanted a formula to
convert volume into weight. She couldn't do that.

Otis could.

He's the poster child for density.
Nicolaas Hawkins
Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 10:51 pm
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On Fri, 29 Dec 2006 18:36:05 -0800, Dan Abel <dabel@sonic.net> wrote in
<news:dabel-E177A4.18360529122006@cor8-ppp5025.per.dsl.connect.net.au>:

Quote:
In article <QN2dnWfu16wm-AjYnZ2dnUVZ_o-knZ2d@giganews.com>,
"Mike Tyner" <mtyner@mindspring.com> wrote:

otisbrown@pa.net> wrote

In fact there are two DIFFERENT methods of judging
a person's refractive STATE.

Yes but your two "methods" don't really address her question, do they?

She is asking why you can't predict VA from refraction.

My wife was a chemist. Her boss was also. He wanted a formula to
convert volume into weight. She couldn't do that.

I bet she couldn't write him a formula to calculate the length of a piece
of string, either...

--
Regards,
Nicolaas.


.... The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing at the
right time, but also to leave unsaid the wrong thing at a tempting moment.
otisbrown@pa.net
Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 11:12 pm
Guest
Good question.

There are Snellens that have pictures. By these means
an estimate of visual acuity can be obtained.

I would bet that if this two-year old were the
daughter of some of these ODs -- they
would do a lot more checking before
they put their child into a -10 diopter lens.

In fact I do believe that some children have
an adverse reaction to these drugs, that
"freeze" the accommodation at the
maximum "near" position of -10 diopters.

But let us say that some second-opinion
optometrists would suggest "holding off"
on plunging a child that age
into a -10 diopter lens.

Second-opinions vary on this subject.

Otis





Salmon Egg wrote:
Quote:
On 12/29/06 7:41 AM, in article
1167406898.484719.25500@i12g2000cwa.googlegroups.com, "otisbrown@pa.net"
otisbrown@pa.net> wrote:

For instance, one 2 year-old had a Snellen of
20/60 -- which is functional for a child of that age -- and
a retinoscope/cycloplegic of -11 diopters.

How can you even rely upon a 2 year-old to read a Snellen chart correctly?

Bill
-- Fermez le Bush
Dr. Leukoma
Posted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 12:17 am
Guest
I have noticed that Otis always likes to make that last post at night,
here in the U.S. He does this, no doubt, for all of his fans in Asia,
who can then ponder his deep thoughts about the second opinion.

DrG

otisbrown@pa.net wrote:
Quote:
Good question.

There are Snellens that have pictures. By these means
an estimate of visual acuity can be obtained.

I would bet that if this two-year old were the
daughter of some of these ODs -- they
would do a lot more checking before
they put their child into a -10 diopter lens.

In fact I do believe that some children have
an adverse reaction to these drugs, that
"freeze" the accommodation at the
maximum "near" position of -10 diopters.

But let us say that some second-opinion
optometrists would suggest "holding off"
on plunging a child that age
into a -10 diopter lens.

Second-opinions vary on this subject.

Otis





Salmon Egg wrote:
On 12/29/06 7:41 AM, in article
1167406898.484719.25500@i12g2000cwa.googlegroups.com, "otisbrown@pa.net"
otisbrown@pa.net> wrote:

For instance, one 2 year-old had a Snellen of
20/60 -- which is functional for a child of that age -- and
a retinoscope/cycloplegic of -11 diopters.

How can you even rely upon a 2 year-old to read a Snellen chart correctly?

Bill
-- Fermez le Bush
Mike Tyner
Posted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 12:31 am
Guest
<otisbrown@pa.net> wrote

Quote:
I would bet that if this two-year old were the
daughter of some of these ODs -- they
would do a lot more checking before
they put their child into a -10 diopter lens.

So this two-year-old was checked only once?

And she's wearing them because an OD recommended it?

Quote:
In fact I do believe that some children have
an adverse reaction to these drugs, that
"freeze" the accommodation at the
maximum "near" position of -10 diopters.

Some children accommodate excessively after cyclopentolate? That would make
a nice article, if you could find one.

Quote:
But let us say that some second-opinion
optometrists would suggest "holding off"
on plunging a child that age
into a -10 diopter lens.

And some would say we did.

And some would say it isn't your business.

-MT
 
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