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| Guppy the Corpse Pumper |
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By Robert Cohen Executive Director
= Growth Factor
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Insulin-like growth factor (IGF-I) in humans and cows are identical.
Like a key fitting into a lock, this hormone is a perfect match
between two species of animal and exerts powerful growth effects. IGF-
I is the most powerful growth hormone in the human body. Every sip of
milk and every bite of cheese contains IGF-I.
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"BGH-treated milk is safe because it is indistinguishable from normal
milk."
Executive Branch Report on rbGH, February 9, 1994
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"Milk from cows given supplemental bovine somatotropin is the same as
any other milk... Unfortunately, a few fringe groups are using
misleading statements and blatant falsehoods as part of a long-running
campaign to scare consumers about a perfectly safe food."
Statement of C. Everett Koop on Genetically engineered milk, February
6, 1994
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"Five independent authorities, the Food and Drug Administration (FDA),
National Institutes of Health (NIH), World Health Organization (WHO),
the Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA), and ex-Surgeon
General C. Everett Koop had found rbGH-treated milk to be
indistinguishable from normal milk."
Monsanto (manufacturer of rbGH) Press Release, June, 1992
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"From 1984 to 1986, Dr. Daughaday was the recipient of a research
contract from Monsanto Company, a small fraction of which was paid to
Dr. Daughaday as a consulting fee.
JAMA, 264 ( , 8/22/90 (Dr. Daughaday, the author of the JAMA
publication was an "independent authority" referred to in Monsanto's
Press Release)
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"Recombinant rbGH treatment produces an increase in the concentration
of insulin-like growth factor-I (IGF-I) in cow's milk."
FDA review of genetically engineered milk SCIENCE, 8/24/90, Vol 249
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"After somidobove (rbGH) injection, mean IGF-I levels in the treated
milk are always higher than those found in the controls."
World Health Organization Report Geneva, Switzerland. June, 1992
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"Levels of IGF increase in milk after cows are treated with rbGH."
December, 1990 National Institutes of Health Assessment of Bovine
Somatotropin
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"A strong positive association was observed between IGF-I levels and
prostate cancer risk."
Science, vol. 279. January 23, 1998
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"Insulin-like growth factor (IGF)-I, a mitogenic and antiapoptotic
peptide, can affect the proliferation of breast epithelial cells, and
is thought to have a role in breast cancer."
The Lancet, vol. 351. May 9, 1998
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"Insulin-like growth factors (IGFs), in particular IGF-I and IGF-II,
strongly stimulate the proliferation of a variety of cancer cells,
including those from lung cancer. High plasma levels of IGF-I were
associated with an increased risk of lung cancer. Plasma levels of IGF-
I are higher...in patients with lung cancer than in control
subjects."
Journal of the National Cancer Institute, vol. 91, no. 2. January 20,
1999.
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"Insulin-like growth factor-1 (IGF-1) is expressed in many tumor cell
lines and has a role in both normal cell proliferation and in the
growth of cancers.
Cancer Gene Ther, 2000 Mar, 7:3
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"The insulin-like growth factor (IGF) system is widely involved in
human carcinogenesis. A significant association between high
circulating IGF-I concentrations and an increased risk of lung, colon,
prostate and pre-menopausal breast cancer has recently been reported.
Lowering plasma IGF-I may thus represent an attractive strategy to be
pursued..."
Int J Cancer, 2000 Aug, 87:4, 601-5
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"... serum IGF-I levels increased significantly in the milk drinking
group...an increase of about 10% above baseline-but was unchanged in the
control group."
Journal of the American Dietetic Association, vol. 99, no. 10. October
1999
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Robert Cohen author of: MILK A-Z
(201-871-5871)
Executive Director (notmilkman@notmilk.com)
Dairy Education Board
http://www.notmilk.com
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Ron Hamilton, pansy in Medicine Hat, Alberta and
another fanatical anti-dairy liar with *NO* scientific
credentials whatever, blabbered:
Quote:
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By Robert Cohen Executive Director
Of what? Some bullshit sham organization that is just
a front for his soy products company.
http://www.westonaprice.org/soy/notmilk.html
Dear Mr. Cohen,
Today an email was forwarded to us in which you cited
an article by Mark Messina minimizing the link between
soy foods and thyroid dysfunction. Apparently you are
not aware of the vast literature on thyroid dysfunction
caused by soy foods, nor of Dr. Messina's position as a
consultant and promoter for the soy industry. It is
unfortunate that so much dis-information and
misunderstanding exists around such vital health
issues. Too often it seems that scientific information
is twisted and turned in order to fit a pre-set agenda.
[especially the sales agenda of Robert Cohen, soy
huckster - ed.]
DOUBLE STANDARD
Soy promoters often operate under a double standard,
condemning a substance in milk while praising the same
compound when it occurs in soy. One egregious example
is that of Insulin-like Growth Factor-1, or IGF-1. You
have been very vociferous in your condemnation of rBGH
milk because it contains high levels of IGF-1, a
compound that has been implicated as causing breast
cancer. However, you are silent when it comes to the
IGF-1 levels in soy. When they are found in soy,
promoters describe them as a benefit for bones. This is
similar to the promotion of fluoride by the dental
profession, while ridiculing its serious adverse health
effects.
According to findings reported by researchers Arjmandi
and Khalil, April 2001, soy increases serum IGF-1
levels. They took 64 healthy men and randomly assigned
them to two groups, one that consumed 40 g of
milk-based protein a day for three months and the other
that took in 40 g of soy-based protein on the same
schedule. Urine and blood samples showed that both
groups experienced an increase in a substance
associated with bone formation known as insulin-like
growth factor-1.1
The group consuming soy protein had significantly more
of this growth factor, according to Arjmandi. He and
Khalil presented their findings at the Experimental
Biology 2001 meeting in Orlando. "This is the first
study to show that soy may benefit skeletal health in
males," Arjmandi is quoted as saying.
It is unbelievable that an increase in IGF-1 levels
could ever be interpreted as something "beneficial," as
there are over 1900 studies on MEDLINE alone clearly
showing the implications of IGF-1 in hormonal cancers.
Such is the double standard we fine in health research
science. |
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| Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 8:29 pm |
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Ron Hamilton, "vegan" douchebag, blabbered:
Quote: On Feb 1, 11:25 am, Rudy Canoza <rudy-can...@excite.com> wrote:
Ron Hamilton, pansy in Medicine Hat, Alberta and
another fanatical anti-dairy liar with *NO* scientific
credentials whatever, blabbered:
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By Robert Cohen Executive Director
Of what? Some bullshit sham organization that is just
a front for his soy products company.
http://www.westonaprice.org/soy/notmilk.html
Dear Mr. Cohen,
Today an email was forwarded to us in which you cited
an article by Mark Messina minimizing the link between
soy foods and thyroid dysfunction. Apparently you are
not aware of the vast literature on thyroid dysfunction
caused by soy foods, nor of Dr. Messina's position as a
consultant and promoter for the soy industry. It is
unfortunate that so much dis-information and
misunderstanding exists around such vital health
issues. Too often it seems that scientific information
is twisted and turned in order to fit a pre-set agenda.
[especially the sales agenda of Robert Cohen, soy
huckster - ed.]
DOUBLE STANDARD
Soy promoters often operate under a double standard,
condemning a substance in milk while praising the same
compound when it occurs in soy. One egregious example
is that of Insulin-like Growth Factor-1, or IGF-1. You
have been very vociferous in your condemnation of rBGH
milk because it contains high levels of IGF-1, a
compound that has been implicated as causing breast
cancer. However, you are silent when it comes to the
IGF-1 levels in soy. When they are found in soy,
promoters describe them as a benefit for bones. This is
similar to the promotion of fluoride by the dental
profession, while ridiculing its serious adverse health
effects.
According to findings reported by researchers Arjmandi
and Khalil, April 2001, soy increases serum IGF-1
levels. They took 64 healthy men and randomly assigned
them to two groups, one that consumed 40 g of
milk-based protein a day for three months and the other
that took in 40 g of soy-based protein on the same
schedule. Urine and blood samples showed that both
groups experienced an increase in a substance
associated with bone formation known as insulin-like
growth factor-1.1
The group consuming soy protein had significantly more
of this growth factor, according to Arjmandi. He and
Khalil presented their findings at the Experimental
Biology 2001 meeting in Orlando. "This is the first
study to show that soy may benefit skeletal health in
males," Arjmandi is quoted as saying.
It is unbelievable that an increase in IGF-1 levels
could ever be interpreted as something "beneficial," as
there are over 1900 studies on MEDLINE alone clearly
showing the implications of IGF-1 in hormonal cancers.
Such is the double standard we fine in health research
science.
IGF-1 in meat is broken down by the digestive system into it's
basic amino acid components. The same would be true *IF* in fact
MAMMAL hormones are found in plants.
ronnnnnnie, you stupid IGNORANT fuck: the soy protein
*causes* the human body to produce the IGF-1. A given
amount of soy protein causes the human body to produce
MORE IGF-1 than an equal amount of milk protein.
You and Cohen are fucking idiots, and he's a CHARLATAN
and a FRAUD. |
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"Rudy Canoza" <rudy-canoza@excite.com> wrote in message news:HBvwh.17371$pQ3.4515@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net...
Quote: Ron Hamilton, "vegan" douchebag, blabbered:
On Feb 1, 11:25 am, Rudy Canoza <rudy-can...@excite.com> wrote:
Ron Hamilton, pansy in Medicine Hat, Alberta and
another fanatical anti-dairy liar with *NO* scientific
credentials whatever, blabbered:
'Bullies project their inadequacies, shortcomings, behaviours etc
on to other people to avoid facing up to their inadequacy and
doing something about it (learning about oneself can be painful),
and to distract and divert attention away from themselves and
their inadequacies. Projection is achieved through blame,
criticism and allegation; once you realise this, every criticism,
allegation etc that the bully makes about their target is actually
an admission or revelation about themselves. This knowledge
can be used to perceive the bully's own misdemeanours; for
instance, when the allegations are of financial or sexual
impropriety, it is likely that the bully has committed these acts;
when the bully makes an allegation of abuse (such allegations
tend to be vague and non-specific), it is likely to be the bully
who has committed the abuse. When the bully makes allegations
of, say, "cowardice" or "negative attitude" it is the bully who is
a coward or has a negative attitude.
....'
http://www.bullyonline.org/workbully/serial.htm
Quote: --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
By Robert Cohen Executive Director
Of what? Some bullshit sham organization that is just
a front for his soy products company.
http://www.westonaprice.org/soy/notmilk.html
'The main sources of support for the Weston A. Price Foundation
are the dues and contributions of its members. The Foundation
receives no funding from any government agency or private
corporation. Although many of our members are farmers, the
Foundation has no ties with the meat or dairy industry, nor with
any organization promoting these industries. ..
http://www.westonaprice.org/funding.html
'Free range eggs, chickens, meat, soupbones, pet food, rabbit.
...
Veal, beef, chickens and eggs, dairy, cheeses, seasonal produce
...
grass-fed beef and pork
...
nitrite-free bacon, grass-fed beef
...
http://www.westonaprice.org/local_chapters/alexva_resources.html
"Julie and Joe [Morris] contacted me through the Weston Price
foundation and I was glad to know that grass-fed beef was available
in our area.
...."
http://www.alderspring.com/articles/html/latest%20research.html
Quote: Dear Mr. Cohen,
Today an email was forwarded to us in which you cited
an article by Mark Messina minimizing the link between
soy foods and thyroid dysfunction. Apparently you are
not aware of the vast literature on thyroid dysfunction
'Soy and thyroid
Can soy cause hypothyroidism? - Some foods contain
compounds called goitrogens that interfere with thyroid
function. In extreme cases these goitrogens can cause
goiter (an enlarged thyroid gland). Increasing iodine intake
prevents this goitrogenic effect of soy. Some research also
indicates that heating soy eliminates part of this goitrogenic
effects. Around 1950 there were several cases of goiter in
infants fed with soy flour based formulas, which were not
fortified with iodine. These formulas do no longer exist
and infant formulas are now based on soy protein isolates
(not soy flour) and are also fortified with iodine. No cases
of goiter have been reported in babies fed with these
formulas.
Recent studies indicate that there is little risk to thyroid
function in healthy people who consume soy. However,
people who have too low intake of iodine could be at risk.
Increasing iodine intake is easy: this can be done by using
of iodized salt or by taking iodine supplements. According
to the American Thyroid Association "soy does not cause
hypothyroidism, but it does interfere with the body's ability
to absorb thyroid replacement therapy". In practice, this
means that thyroid medication and soy products must not
be taken at the same time. The FDA rejected earlier claims
that soy adversely affected the thyroid due to lack of
evidence. In Asian countries where consumption of soy
is 10 to 100 times higher than in the Western world there's
no higher occurrence of goiter.
What if I have hypothyroisism? - Some doctors suggest
that thyroid medications be taken at a different time of the
day than soy protein to maximize absorption of the
medication. Hypothyroidism is very common among
women so you may want to have your thyroid levels
checked every couple years or so, whether or not you eat
soy. Hypothyroidism has not been a concern in human
studies. Studies with athletes have not shown any negative
effects of soy to thyroid health. The FDA has neither issued
a consumer warning, nor stopped infant formula from being
used, nor stopped soy foods from being sold. The FDA
reviewed the medical literature for two years and found no
proven evidence that soy would harm the thyroid. A lot of
soy concerns come from one in vitro study, which uses
pure isoflavones in high concentrations.
....'
http://www.soya.be/soy-thyroid.php
Quote: caused by soy foods, nor of Dr. Messina's position as a
consultant and promoter for the soy industry. It is
unfortunate that so much dis-information and
misunderstanding exists around such vital health
issues. Too often it seems that scientific information
is twisted and turned in order to fit a pre-set agenda.
[especially the sales agenda of Robert Cohen, soy
huckster - ed.]
See above.
Quote: DOUBLE STANDARD
Soy promoters often operate under a double standard,
condemning a substance in milk while praising the same
compound when it occurs in soy. One egregious example
is that of Insulin-like Growth Factor-1, or IGF-1. You
have been very vociferous in your condemnation of rBGH
milk because it contains high levels of IGF-1, a
compound that has been implicated as causing breast
cancer. However, you are silent when it comes to the
IGF-1 levels in soy. When they are found in soy,
promoters describe them as a benefit for bones. This is
similar to the promotion of fluoride by the dental
profession, while ridiculing its serious adverse health
effects.
According to findings reported by researchers Arjmandi
and Khalil, April 2001, soy increases serum IGF-1
levels. They took 64 healthy men and randomly assigned
them to two groups, one that consumed 40 g of
milk-based protein a day for three months and the other
that took in 40 g of soy-based protein on the same
schedule. Urine and blood samples showed that both
groups experienced an increase in a substance
associated with bone formation known as insulin-like
growth factor-1.1
The group consuming soy protein had significantly more
of this growth factor, according to Arjmandi. He and
Khalil presented their findings at the Experimental
Biology 2001 meeting in Orlando. "This is the first
study to show that soy may benefit skeletal health in
males," Arjmandi is quoted as saying.
It is unbelievable that an increase in IGF-1 levels
could ever be interpreted as something "beneficial," as
there are over 1900 studies on MEDLINE alone clearly
showing the implications of IGF-1 in hormonal cancers.
Such is the double standard we fine in health research
science.
IGF-1 in meat is broken down by the digestive system into it's
basic amino acid components. The same would be true *IF* in fact
MAMMAL hormones are found in plants.
ronnnnnnie, you stupid IGNORANT fuck: the soy protein
*causes* the human body to produce the IGF-1.
Who is? "IGF-1 levels in soy" - your paste, just above.
'Does too much protein in the diet increase cancer risk?
Study shows low-protein, low-calorie dieters have reduced
levels of hormone linked to cancer. A great deal of research
connects nutrition with cancer risk. Overweight people are
at higher risk of developing post-menopausal breast cancer,
endometrial cancer, colon cancer, kidney cancer and a
certain type of esophageal cancer. Now preliminary findings
from researchers at Washington University School of
Medicine in St. Louis suggest that eating less protein may help
protect against certain cancers that are not directly associated
with obesity. The research, published in the December issue
of the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, shows that lean
people on a long-term, low-protein, low-calorie diet or
participating in regular endurance exercise training have lower
levels of plasma growth factors and certain hormones linked to
cancer risk.
Fontana and colleagues found significantly lower blood levels
of plasma insulin-like growth factor 1 (IGF-1) in the low-protein
diet group than in either the equally lean runners or the sedentary
people eating a standard Western diet. Past research has linked
pre-menopausal breast cancer, prostate cancer and certain types
of colon cancer to high levels of IGF-1, a powerful growth factor
that promotes cell proliferation. Data from animal studies also
suggest that lower IGF-1 levels are associated with maximal
lifespan.
"Our findings show that in normal weight people IGF-1 levels
are related to protein intake, independent of body weight and fat
mass," Fontana says. "I believe our findings suggest that protein
intake may be very important in regulating cancer risk."
Fontana L, Klein S, Holloszy JO. Long-term low-protein, low-
calorie diet and endurance exercise modulat metabolic factors
associated with cancer risk. American Journal of Clinical
Nutrition, vol. 84; pp. 1456-1462, December 2006.
http://mednews.wustl.edu/news/page/normal/8388.html?emailID=12304
Quote: A given
amount of soy protein causes the human body to produce
MORE IGF-1 than an equal amount of milk protein.
'Circulating levels of insulin-like growth factor-1 (IGF-1) and
insulin-like growth factor-binding protein-3 (IGFBP-3) have
each been associated with premenopausal breast cancer risks.
We analyzed data from a cross-sectional study of 261
premenopausal Japanese women aged 20-54 yr with adequate
nutritional status to evaluate the relationships between
concentrations of IGF-1 and IGFBP-3 in serum and dietary
intakes of soy, fats and other nutrients. Diet was assessed by
a semiquantitative food frequency questionnaire. There was
no significant correlation between soy product as well as soy
isoflavone intake and serum IGF-1 or IGFBP-3 levels after
controlling for age, total energy, percent body fat, and
education level. Total fat intake was significantly inversely
correlated with serum IGFBP-3 level (r = -0.13, P = 0.04).
The correlations of saturated and monounsaturated fats with
serum IGFBP-3 were of borderline significance (r = -0.12,
P = 0.06 and r = -0.11, P = 0.07, respectively).
...'
http://cat.inist.fr/?aModele=afficheN&cpsidt=15059756
Quote: You and Cohen are fucking idiots, and he's a CHARLATAN
and a FRAUD.
*Meta-Analysis: "Milk consumption is a risk factor for prostate
cancer.... In conclusion, we found a positive association between
milk consumption and prostate cancer."
Nutr Cancer. 2004;48(T):22-7. [Search Pubmed.org for 15203374.]
* "Among the food items we examined, cheese was most closely
correlated with the incidence of testicular cancer at ages 20-39,
followed by animal fats and milk.... Concerning prostatic cancer,
milk was most closely correlated with its incidence, followed by
meat and coffee.... The food that was most closely correlated
with the mortality rate of prostatic cancer was milk, followed by
coffee, cheese and animal fats." Int J Cancer. 2002
Mar 10;98(2):262-7. [Search Pubmed.org for 11857417.]
...
* "Suggestive positive associations were also seen between fatal
prostate cancer and the consumption of milk, cheese, eggs, and
meat. There was an orderly dose-response between each of the
four animal products and risk." Am J Epidemiol. 1984
Aug: 120(2):244-50. [Search PubMed.org for 6465122.]
...
* "Positive correlations between foods and cancer mortality rates
were particularly strong in the case of meats and milk for breast
cancer, milk for prostate and ovarian cancer, and meats for colon
cancer." Cancer 1986 Dec 1;58(11):2363-71. [Search Pubmed.org
for 3768832.]
...
4. Estrogen. In the United States, most dairy cows are pregnant,
so their milk is rich with female sex hormones, including the
cancer-promoting hormone, estrogen. (Unlike humans, pregnant
cows continue to produce milk.) Med Hypotheses, 2004;62(1):
133-42. [Search Pubmed.org for 9438850.] Estrogen receptors are
found on the prostate gland as well as in breast and ovarian tissue.
5. Insulin-like Growth Factor (IGF-1), and recombinant Bovine
Growth Hormone (rBGH, sometimes called BST).
* IGF-1 is a mitogenic hormone found in milk. Cow's milk
naturally has IGF-1 in it, but IGF-1 levels increase between
3.6 and more than 10-fold when cows are injected with rBGH.
[Search Pubmed.org for 7993454 or 7993421.]
.....'
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0ISW/is_257/ai_n7638034 |
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| Rudy Canoza |
| Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 1:57 pm |
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Ron Hamilton, "vegan" douchebag, blabbered:
Quote: On Feb 1, 8:16 pm, Rudy Canoza <rudy-can...@excite.com> wrote:
Ron Hamilton, "vegan" douchebag, blabbered:
On Feb 1, 5:23 pm, Rudy Canoza <rudy-can...@excite.com> wrote:
Ron Hamilton, "vegan" douchebag, blabbered:
On Feb 1, 11:25 am, Rudy Canoza <rudy-can...@excite.com> wrote:
Ron Hamilton, pansy in Medicine Hat, Alberta and
another fanatical anti-dairy liar with *NO* scientific
credentials whatever, blabbered:
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By Robert Cohen Executive Director
Of what? Some bullshit sham organization that is just
a front for his soy products company.
http://www.westonaprice.org/soy/notmilk.html
Dear Mr. Cohen,
Today an email was forwarded to us in which you cited
an article by Mark Messina minimizing the link between
soy foods and thyroid dysfunction. Apparently you are
not aware of the vast literature on thyroid dysfunction
caused by soy foods, nor of Dr. Messina's position as a
consultant and promoter for the soy industry. It is
unfortunate that so much dis-information and
misunderstanding exists around such vital health
issues. Too often it seems that scientific information
is twisted and turned in order to fit a pre-set agenda.
[especially the sales agenda of Robert Cohen, soy
huckster - ed.]
DOUBLE STANDARD
Soy promoters often operate under a double standard,
condemning a substance in milk while praising the same
compound when it occurs in soy. One egregious example
is that of Insulin-like Growth Factor-1, or IGF-1. You
have been very vociferous in your condemnation of rBGH
milk because it contains high levels of IGF-1, a
compound that has been implicated as causing breast
cancer. However, you are silent when it comes to the
IGF-1 levels in soy. When they are found in soy,
promoters describe them as a benefit for bones. This is
similar to the promotion of fluoride by the dental
profession, while ridiculing its serious adverse health
effects.
According to findings reported by researchers Arjmandi
and Khalil, April 2001, soy increases serum IGF-1
levels. They took 64 healthy men and randomly assigned
them to two groups, one that consumed 40 g of
milk-based protein a day for three months and the other
that took in 40 g of soy-based protein on the same
schedule. Urine and blood samples showed that both
groups experienced an increase in a substance
associated with bone formation known as insulin-like
growth factor-1.1
The group consuming soy protein had significantly more
of this growth factor, according to Arjmandi. He and
Khalil presented their findings at the Experimental
Biology 2001 meeting in Orlando. "This is the first
study to show that soy may benefit skeletal health in
males," Arjmandi is quoted as saying.
It is unbelievable that an increase in IGF-1 levels
could ever be interpreted as something "beneficial," as
there are over 1900 studies on MEDLINE alone clearly
showing the implications of IGF-1 in hormonal cancers.
Such is the double standard we fine in health research
science.
IGF-1 in meat is broken down by the digestive system into it's
basic amino acid components. The same would be true *IF* in fact
MAMMAL hormones are found in plants.
ronnnnnnie, you stupid IGNORANT fuck: the soy protein
*causes* the human body to produce the IGF-1. A given
amount of soy protein causes the human body to produce
MORE IGF-1 than an equal amount of milk protein.
Milk protein does not cause IGF-1 to be produced.
Milk protein *and* soy protein cause IGF-1 to be
produced, you fucking dunce. Soy protein causes *MORE*
IGF-1 to be produced than an equivalent amount of milk
protein.
I apologize for saying protein does not cause a slight elevation
in serum IGF-1.
This info says it does:
"Studies have show that milk consumption has a long term affect
by elevating IGF-I levels in milk drinkers by a factor of ten
percent. That same study accounted for the "protein affect" and
negated its power when compered to milk's IGF-I raising
property."
It is the protein in milk that raises IGF-1 levels,
douchebag ronnnnnnie. The protein in soy raises it
even *more*. |
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| Rudy Canoza |
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| Rudy Canoza |
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Ron Hamilton, "vegan" douchebag and talentless liar,
blabbered:
Quote: On Feb 2, 10:57 am, Rudy Canoza <rudy-can...@excite.com> wrote:
Ron Hamilton, "vegan" douchebag, blabbered:
On Feb 1, 8:16 pm, Rudy Canoza <rudy-can...@excite.com> wrote:
Ron Hamilton, "vegan" douchebag, blabbered:
On Feb 1, 5:23 pm, Rudy Canoza <rudy-can...@excite.com> wrote:
Ron Hamilton, "vegan" douchebag, blabbered:
On Feb 1, 11:25 am, Rudy Canoza <rudy-can...@excite.com> wrote:
Ron Hamilton, pansy in Medicine Hat, Alberta and
another fanatical anti-dairy liar with *NO* scientific
credentials whatever, blabbered:
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By Robert Cohen Executive Director
Of what? Some bullshit sham organization that is just
a front for his soy products company.
http://www.westonaprice.org/soy/notmilk.html
Dear Mr. Cohen,
Today an email was forwarded to us in which you cited
an article by Mark Messina minimizing the link between
soy foods and thyroid dysfunction. Apparently you are
not aware of the vast literature on thyroid dysfunction
caused by soy foods, nor of Dr. Messina's position as a
consultant and promoter for the soy industry. It is
unfortunate that so much dis-information and
misunderstanding exists around such vital health
issues. Too often it seems that scientific information
is twisted and turned in order to fit a pre-set agenda.
[especially the sales agenda of Robert Cohen, soy
huckster - ed.]
DOUBLE STANDARD
Soy promoters often operate under a double standard,
condemning a substance in milk while praising the same
compound when it occurs in soy. One egregious example
is that of Insulin-like Growth Factor-1, or IGF-1. You
have been very vociferous in your condemnation of rBGH
milk because it contains high levels of IGF-1, a
compound that has been implicated as causing breast
cancer. However, you are silent when it comes to the
IGF-1 levels in soy. When they are found in soy,
promoters describe them as a benefit for bones. This is
similar to the promotion of fluoride by the dental
profession, while ridiculing its serious adverse health
effects.
According to findings reported by researchers Arjmandi
and Khalil, April 2001, soy increases serum IGF-1
levels. They took 64 healthy men and randomly assigned
them to two groups, one that consumed 40 g of
milk-based protein a day for three months and the other
that took in 40 g of soy-based protein on the same
schedule. Urine and blood samples showed that both
groups experienced an increase in a substance
associated with bone formation known as insulin-like
growth factor-1.1
The group consuming soy protein had significantly more
of this growth factor, according to Arjmandi. He and
Khalil presented their findings at the Experimental
Biology 2001 meeting in Orlando. "This is the first
study to show that soy may benefit skeletal health in
males," Arjmandi is quoted as saying.
It is unbelievable that an increase in IGF-1 levels
could ever be interpreted as something "beneficial," as
there are over 1900 studies on MEDLINE alone clearly
showing the implications of IGF-1 in hormonal cancers.
Such is the double standard we fine in health research
science.
IGF-1 in meat is broken down by the digestive system into it's
basic amino acid components. The same would be true *IF* in fact
MAMMAL hormones are found in plants.
ronnnnnnie, you stupid IGNORANT fuck: the soy protein
*causes* the human body to produce the IGF-1. A given
amount of soy protein causes the human body to produce
MORE IGF-1 than an equal amount of milk protein.
Milk protein does not cause IGF-1 to be produced.
Milk protein *and* soy protein cause IGF-1 to be
produced, you fucking dunce. Soy protein causes *MORE*
IGF-1 to be produced than an equivalent amount of milk
protein.
I apologize for saying protein does not cause a slight elevation
in serum IGF-1.
This info says it does:
"Studies have show that milk consumption has a long term affect
by elevating IGF-I levels in milk drinkers by a factor of ten
percent. That same study accounted for the "protein affect" and
negated its power when compered to milk's IGF-I raising
property."
It is the protein in milk that raises IGF-1 levels,
douchebag ronnnnnnie. The protein in soy raises it
even *more*.- Hide quoted text -
HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
Possibly so if
No, it's just *SO*, douchebag ronnnnnnnie. Cohen is
trying to pull a fast one, and you, you little lying
douchebag, are trying to help him. He even helped you
slop together that crude, shitty web page of yours. |
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| Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 3:43 pm |
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On Feb 2, 10:19 am, b...@canada.com wrote:
Quote: On Feb 2, 11:10 am, Rudy Canoza <rudy-can...@excite.com> wrote:
Ron Hamilton, "vegan" douchebag and talentless liar,
blabbered:
On Feb 2, 10:57 am, Rudy Canoza <rudy-can...@excite.com> wrote:
Ron Hamilton, "vegan" douchebag, blabbered:
On Feb 1, 8:16 pm, Rudy Canoza <rudy-can...@excite.com> wrote:
Ron Hamilton, "vegan" douchebag, blabbered:
On Feb 1, 5:23 pm, Rudy Canoza <rudy-can...@excite.com> wrote:
Ron Hamilton, "vegan" douchebag, blabbered:
On Feb 1, 11:25 am, Rudy Canoza <rudy-can...@excite.com> wrote:
Ron Hamilton, pansy in Medicine Hat, Alberta and
another fanatical anti-dairy liar with *NO* scientific
credentials whatever, blabbered:
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By Robert Cohen Executive Director
Of what? Some bullshit sham organization that is just
a front for his soy products company.
http://www.westonaprice.org/soy/notmilk.html
Dear Mr. Cohen,
Today an email was forwarded to us in which you cited
an article by Mark Messina minimizing the link between
soy foods and thyroid dysfunction. Apparently you are
not aware of the vast literature on thyroid dysfunction
caused by soy foods, nor of Dr. Messina's position as a
consultant and promoter for the soy industry. It is
unfortunate that so much dis-information and
misunderstanding exists around such vital health
issues. Too often it seems that scientific information
is twisted and turned in order to fit a pre-set agenda.
[especially the sales agenda of Robert Cohen, soy
huckster - ed.]
DOUBLE STANDARD
Soy promoters often operate under a double standard,
condemning a substance in milk while praising the same
compound when it occurs in soy. One egregious example
is that of Insulin-like Growth Factor-1, or IGF-1. You
have been very vociferous in your condemnation of rBGH
milk because it contains high levels of IGF-1, a
compound that has been implicated as causing breast
cancer. However, you are silent when it comes to the
IGF-1 levels in soy. When they are found in soy,
promoters describe them as a benefit for bones. This is
similar to the promotion of fluoride by the dental
profession, while ridiculing its serious adverse health
effects.
According to findings reported by researchers Arjmandi
and Khalil, April 2001, soy increases serum IGF-1
levels. They took 64 healthy men and randomly assigned
them to two groups, one that consumed 40 g of
milk-based protein a day for three months and the other
that took in 40 g of soy-based protein on the same
schedule. Urine and blood samples showed that both
groups experienced an increase in a substance
associated with bone formation known as insulin-like
growth factor-1.1
The group consuming soy protein had significantly more
of this growth factor, according to Arjmandi. He and
Khalil presented their findings at the Experimental
Biology 2001 meeting in Orlando. "This is the first
study to show that soy may benefit skeletal health in
males," Arjmandi is quoted as saying.
It is unbelievable that an increase in IGF-1 levels
could ever be interpreted as something "beneficial," as
there are over 1900 studies on MEDLINE alone clearly
showing the implications of IGF-1 in hormonal cancers.
Such is the double standard we fine in health research
science.
IGF-1 in meat is broken down by the digestive system into it's
basic amino acid components. The same would be true *IF* in fact
MAMMAL hormones are found in plants.
ronnnnnnie, you stupid IGNORANT fuck: the soy protein
*causes* the human body to produce the IGF-1. A given
amount of soy protein causes the human body to produce
MORE IGF-1 than an equal amount of milk protein.
Milk protein does not cause IGF-1 to be produced.
Milk protein *and* soy protein cause IGF-1 to be
produced, you fucking dunce. Soy protein causes *MORE*
IGF-1 to be produced than an equivalent amount of milk
protein.
I apologize for saying protein does not cause a slight elevation
in serum IGF-1.
This info says it does:
"Studies have show that milk consumption has a long term affect
by elevating IGF-I levels in milk drinkers by a factor of ten
percent. That same study accounted for the "protein affect" and
negated its power when compered to milk's IGF-I raising
property."
It is the protein in milk that raises IGF-1 levels,
douchebag ronnnnnnie. The protein in soy raises it
even *more*.- Hide quoted text -
HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
Possibly so if
No, it's just *SO*, douchebag ronnnnnnnie. Cohen is
trying to pull a fast one, and you, you little lying
douchebag, are trying to help him. He even helped you
slop together that crude, shitty web page of yours.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
LOL!!
Instead of making wild libelous statements
Cohen has no background in science; NONE whatever. There is nothing
libelous about saying that.
YOU, Ron "douchebag" J. Hamilton, also have no background in science.
Neither one of you knows your flabby ass from your pimply face about
nutrition or anything else that requires any scientific knowledge. |
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| Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 7:00 pm |
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"Rudy Canoza" <rudy-canoza@excite.com> wrote in message news:9ZKwh.17588$pQ3.7141@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net...
'Faking quotes, forged posts, lies, filth, harassment.
http://www.iol.ie/~creature/boiled%20ball.html
9/17/2002 Milk, Pregnancy, Cancer May be Tied - 9/10 Reuters
....
MILK CONSUMPTION IS KEY
Using data from a large, long-term study of more than 1,000 nurses
who record their diets carefully and who are then watched for
changes in health, Holmes' team also found that those who drank
the most milk had higher levels of IGF-1.
IGF-1 is important to the growth and function of many organs, but
higher levels have been associated with an increased risk of prostate,
colon, lung and breast cancer.
"We concluded that greater milk consumption was associated with
higher levels of IGF-1," said Holmes. "This association raises the
possibility that diet could increase cancer risk by increasing levels
of IGF-1 in the blood stream.
...'
http://www.fass.org/FASStrack/news_item.asp?news_id=689
'Frequent consumption (more than once a day) of soy milk was
associated with 70 per cent reduction of the risk of prostate cancer
(relative risk = 0.3, 95 percent confidence interval 0.1-1.0, p-value
for linear trend = 0.03). The association was upheld when extensive
adjustments were performed. CONCLUSIONS: Our study suggests
that men with high consumption of soy milk are at reduced risk of
prostate cancer. Possible associations between soy bean products,
isoflavones and prostate cancer risk should be further investigated.
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http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=10189040&dopt=Abstract |
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Fuckwit, who sometimes uses the alias "David Harrison",
has long insisted that I have "lied" about his beliefs.
I have never lied about his beliefs. He has written
thousands of usenet posts based on his beliefs, and I
have correctly interpreted his writing. His belief
about animals, specifically his belief that animals
"getting to experience life" is a morally good thing
in and of itself, is something that appears frequently
and with (believe it or not) a peculiar kind of clarity.
Read these quotes that I have culled from Fuckwit's
usenet rantings over a four and a half year period,
and judge for yourselves.
All emphasis in the quotes, by use of asterisks and
quotation marks, is Fuckwit's own.
You really have to wonder why Fuckwit even bothered to
start on this at all:
I admit that I'm very weak in the area of
presenting my ideas...I have as much 'right' to
post my spew as everyone else does.
Fuckwit - 11/30/1999
Fuckwit believes that unborn "future farm animals" are
morally considerable "somethings":
The animals that will be raised for us to eat
are more than just "nothing", because they
*will* be born unless something stops their
lives from happening. Since that is the case,
if something stops their lives from happening,
whatever it is that stops it is truly "denying"
them of the life they otherwise would have had.
Fuckwit - 12/09/1999
He claims that he gives livestock animals' lives
"consideration" that "vegans", selfishly, don't. But
in fact, he gives the animals' lives *no* consideration
as having morally considerable value AT ALL; it's only
utilitarian to Fuckwit:
It's not out of consideration for porcupines
that we don't raise them for food. It's because
they would be a pain in the ass to raise. We
don't raise cattle out of consideration for them
either, but because they're fairly easy to
raise.
Fuckwit David Harrison - Sep 26, 2005
Astonishingly, Fuckwit even fantasizes that he can
"respect" the extinguished, thus non-existent, lives of
dead animals:
I can say that I respect the life of a dead
chicken.
Fuckwit David Harrison - 29 May 2006
In fact, the only "consideration" he gives animals'
lives is instrumental, as a means to products Fuckwit
wants to consume. This exchange with someone named
Dave illustrates it perfectly. The discussion
ostensibly had been about which set of animals' lives,
livestock or wildlife, ought to receive greater moral
consideration. Fuckwit suddenly abandons any pretense
of moral consideration of their lives, and shows he is
only interested in the products they yield:
Dave:
I am suggesting that we have no reason to
promote life for farm animals ahead of life for
wild animals
Fuckwit:
LOL!!!. We have at least two reasons. Can you
think of either?
Dave:
Enlighten me.
Fuckwit:
Meat. Gravy.
Fuckwit David Harrison - Mar 20, 2006
Another revealing dialogue:
Dutch:
Don't you think we owe animals we raise for
food decent lives?
Fuckwit:
Not really.
Fuckwit David Harrison - Jun 19, 2006
He claims to "promote decent aw [animal welfare]", but
the fact is he doesn't care if animals suffer at all:
I am not an extremist about it, and if I thought
that all of the animals I eat had terrible
lives, I would still eat meat. That is not
because I don't care about them at all, but I
would just ignore their suffering.
Fuckwit David Harrison - Nov 29, 1999
This last is astonishing: admitting that he would
ignore their suffering is an admission that he
*DOESN'T* care about them at all, except for the
products they yield.
He believes they can experience things - loss,
deprivation, unfairness:
Yes, it is the unborn animals that will be
born if nothing prevents that from happening,
that would experience the loss if their lives
are prevented.
Fuckwit - 08/01/2000
What gives you the right to want to deprive
them [unborn animals] of having what life they
could have?
Fuckwit - 10/12/2001
What I'm saying is unfair for the animals that
*could* get to live, is for people not to
consider the fact that they are only keeping
these animals from being killed, by keeping
them from getting to live at all.
Fuckwit - 10/19/1999
He believes that the "future farm animals" getting to
live at all is what's important, irrespective of the
quality of their lives:
*Whatever* life they get they are lucky to get
it...even if it's only six weeks like a fryer.
Fuckwit - 09/04/1999
All of that has nothing to do with how many
actually get to live. But that is why I feel
that every thing that gets to be born is lucky
in the respect that it *did* get to be born,
since the odds are infinite against all of us
that *we* will actually get to experience life.
Fuckwit - 12/11/1999
Then I guess raising billions of animals for
food provides billions of beings with a place in
eternity. I'm happy to contribute to at least
some of it.
Fuckwit - 04/12/2002
But it's still every bit as morally acceptable
for humans to kill animals for food, as it is
for any other animals to do so imo. And in fact
more so, since we provide life for most of the
animals we kill.
Fuckwit - 04/20/2002
Life is the benefit that makes all others
possible.
Fuckwit - 06/25/2003 (and numerous other posts)
Okay: Existence, and then life itself are the
most important benefits for any being. Though
life itself is a necessary benefit for all
beings, the individual life experiences of the
animals are completely different things and not
necessarily a benefit for every animal,
depending on the particular things that they
experience.
Fuckwit - 03/22/2005
Fuckwit tries to deny that he attaches any importance
to the mere fact of "getting to experience life" per
se, but as usual, his words betray him. Here, we see
that Fuckwit believes that "providing them with life"
earns humans some kind of moral bonus points:
As for whether or not providing them with life
is an acceptable trade off for taking it later,
no one has ever had a problem with it.
Fuckwit - 10/12/2003
He believes that "aras" are doing something terrible to
the unborn "future farm animals" merely by *wanting* to
prevent them from being born:
People who encourage vegetarianism are the
worst enemy that the animals we raise for food
have IMO.
Fuckwit - 09/13/1999
You also know that "ARAs" want to deprive
future farm animals [of] living,
Fuckwit - 01/08/2002
That approach is illogical, since if it
is wrong to end the lives of animals, it is
*far worse* to keep those same animals from
getting to have any life at all.
Fuckwit - 07/30/1999
What I'm saying is unfair for the animals that
*could* get to live, is for people not to
consider the fact that they are only keeping
these animals from being killed, by keeping
them from getting to live at all.
Fuckwit - 10/19/1999
[like Humpty Dumpty, I pay this quote extra!]
Fuckwit claims, falsely, that what the animals feel
about their lives is what matters:
But!! Since *we* are not the ones that we are
discussing, what *we* know has nothing to do
with it. Instead, the way the animals feel
about their lives is what matters, and in order
to get some idea of what that is, we have to
ignore the things that we know, and that they
do not (like the fact that they will be
killed). If a person is not willing to try to
do that, then they really don't care about the
animals, but are worried more about their self.
Fuckwit - 08/20/1999
But of course, he's lying. It's what *Fuckwit* feels
about them, about his connection to them, about his
ability to "appreciate" them for a while, that matters
to him:
Over in cat ng world I've been flamed pretty
well for letting [Fuckwit's cat] have any
[kittens]. At least one of them feels that for
every kitten I let a person have from "my" cat,
a kitten in a shelter will die. Of course the
ratio is not likely to be anywhere near one to
one, but some folks tend to be a bit fanatical
about things. Even if it were that way, there
is really no reason for me to encourage life
for some kittens in a shelter, at the expense
of kittens that could get to experience life
from a cat that I actually care about, and
kittens that I get to appreciate and like at
least for a little while.
Fuckwit - 09/23/1999
At least my "insanity" allows appreciation for
what life has to offer [to animals].
Fuckwit - 05/06/2004
Fuckwit sleazily and dishonestly tries to keep
insisting that the people arguing with him need to show
how the "'ar' proposal" to eliminate farm animal is
ethically superior to providing "decent" lives for
them. But as we see, Fuckwit isn't at all concerned
with providing "decent lives" for them. He's
interested in seeing them "get to experience life",
period, irrespective of the quality of that life. And
he feels anyone who wants to try to stop that is evil.
No one needs to show any ethical superiority of one
"proposal" over another, at all, as long as Fuckwit is
lying about *his* proposal and as long as he continues
to insist on presenting the bogus, logically invalid
choice that he does.
The record, in Fuckwit's own words, speaks for itself.
No one has "lied" about Fuckwit's beliefs. Fuckwit
believes everything I have said he believes, as
supported by Fuckwit's own ranting. |
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On 2 Feb 2007 16:46:52 -0800, Goo wrote:
Quote: lesley's weird beliefs:
Let's look at one of yours Goob:
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From: Goo
Message-ID: <w9m7e.6617$sp3.4226@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>
dh@. pointed out:
Quote: On 11 Apr 2005, a badly confused Goober wrote:
*I* don't want any consideration given to
the fact the animals are killed, and you know it.
You DO want us to consider their deaths
Right: because they are living beings, and humans are
rightly concerned about killing living things.
Considering their deaths doesn't necessarily mean we
shouldn't kill them, but giving them due consideration
is proper.
Giving ANY consideration to the morally meaningless
fact that they "get to experience life" is insane.
ŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻ
Notice that you are not only incapable of giving consideration
to the lives of animals, but you also think you disagree with
yourself regarding whether or not people should consider
their deaths. Being insane yourself you do provide some
amusing though pitiful examples of idiocy and insanity, but
Goober that doesn't mean you're a reliable source for
recognising it in others (though in her case it does look like
you got it right  . |
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