"Summary: In 4-year olds with well educated parents 17 % of the
children were overweight or obese but the energy intake was according
to the recommendations. Most children had a higher intake of saturated
fat and sucrose than recommended but the intake of n-3 fatty acids,
vitamin D and iron was lower than recommended. BMI was strongly
related to the fat mass. A lower fat intake was associated with higher
BMI and higher HOMA ß-cell function. fS-insulin and insulin resistance
were associated to increased growth rate from birth to the age of 4
(upward centile crossing). Risk factors for the metabolic syndrome can
be identified already in healthy 4-year olds, especially in girls. "
[...]
quote:

"Summary: In 4-year olds with well educated parents 17 % of the
children were overweight or obese but the energy intake was according
to the recommendations. Most children had a higher intake of saturated
fat and sucrose than recommended but the intake of n-3 fatty acids,
vitamin D and iron was lower than recommended. BMI was strongly
related to the fat mass. A lower fat intake was associated with higher
BMI and higher HOMA ß-cell function. fS-insulin and insulin resistance
were associated to increased growth rate from birth to the age of 4
(upward centile crossing). Risk factors for the metabolic syndrome can
be identified already in healthy 4-year olds, especially in girls. "

Note The high rate of obesity, the presumed deficiency in n3 fats, and
the fact that risk factors for metabolic syndrome are obvious as early
as 4, especially in girls.


jack

quote:

"Summary: In 4-year olds with well educated parents 17 % of the
children were overweight or obese but the energy intake was according
to the recommendations. Most children had a higher intake of saturated
fat and sucrose than recommended but the intake of n-3 fatty acids,
vitamin D and iron was lower than recommended. BMI was strongly
related to the fat mass. A lower fat intake was associated with higher
BMI and higher HOMA ß-cell function. fS-insulin and insulin resistance
were associated to increased growth rate from birth to the age of 4
(upward centile crossing). Risk factors for the metabolic syndrome can
be identified already in healthy 4-year olds, especially in girls. "

Note The high rate of obesity, the presumed deficiency in n3 fats, and
the fact that risk factors for metabolic syndrome are obvious as early
as 4, especially in girls.


jack

On Tue, 30 Jan 2007 12:49:26 +0900, spamf...@spam.heaven wrote in
news:6vftr25v22teagpkg4mhaom4ff7rtdv63h@4ax.com>:





quote:

"Summary: In 4-year olds with well educated parents 17 % of the
children were overweight or obese but the energy intake was according
to the recommendations. Most children had a higher intake of saturated
fat and sucrose than recommended but the intake of n-3 fatty acids,
vitamin D and iron was lower than recommended. BMI was strongly
related to the fat mass. A lower fat intake was associated with higher
BMI and higher HOMA ß-cell function. fS-insulin and insulin resistance
were associated to increased growth rate from birth to the age of 4
(upward centile crossing). Risk factors for the metabolic syndrome can
be identified already in healthy 4-year olds, especially in girls. "

Note The high rate of obesity, the presumed deficiency in n3 fats, and
the fact that risk factors for metabolic syndrome are obvious as early
as 4, especially in girls.

jackAlso, from the same study:

http://www.ub.gu.se/sok/dissdatabas/detaljvy.xml?id=6979

"Nutrition and health in 4-year-olds in a Swedish well-educated urban
community"
[...]

Results: ...

"A fourth of the children, overrepresented by overweight children watched
television >1 hr/day. " ...

"Most children had higher intake of saturated fat and sucrose than NNR
2004, while the intake of polyunsaturated fat - especially n-3 fatty acids,
vitamin D and iron were lower than recommended in most children. A higher
BMI was associated with lower fat and higher sucrose intake. " ....

"In girls, the HOMA ß-cell function was negatively associated with the
intake of fat and positively with the intake of carbohydrates." ...- Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text -

On 29 Jan 2007 19:07:10 -0800, "TC" <tunder...@hotmail.com> wrote:





On Jan 29, 7:12 pm, p...@consult.net wrote:
"Either you can't read english or you do not understand english or you
choose not to understand what you read.

Read it again."

Smile, I did and am confirmed in the obvious illustration of wobbly
logic, failure to grasp the evidence and inability to present a
conclusion based on same, again. You went into this article, if you
even read past the headline, with a presumption that the article does
not support. It was not amount of fat but the right unsaturated fats
from fish and plants that were consumed by the kids who weighed less
period

Logic and grasp of evidence and coherent conclusion formation is not the
same as stringing sound bites as in politics as to spin and sell an
agenda. To have a response, any response, is not the same as having a
valid and effective response.

You are truly an idiot, freshie.Let's see, you can't tell the difference between :

"Not Enough Of The Right Fats Can Make Children Overweight"

and

"low-fat diets fail and are dangerous"

and you call others idiots? Pot, kettle?

jack- Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text -

On 29 Jan 2007 07:35:24 -0800, "TC" <tunder...@hotmail.com> wrote:





http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/healthnews.php?newsid=61831

Not Enough Of The Right Fats Can Make Children Overweight
29 Jan 2007

Swedish scientists have discovered that children can become overweight
if they don't have enough of the right kind of fat in their food. Or,
in other words, eating a diet with the right kind of fat in it can
stop kids getting overweight.

The findings of the dissertation based at Sahlgrenska Academy at
Goteborg University are published online by the Swedish Research
Council. The key is in the amount of unsaturated fat that a child
consumes.

The study investigated the lifestyle, dietary intake, eating habits
and insulin levels of nearly 200 healthy 4 year old children living in
Göteborg, Sweden. Very few of the children were from deprived areas.

The scientists measured their weight and height to work out Body Mass
Index (BMI). Based on the BMI measures, 23 per cent of the children
were overweight and 2 per cent were classed as obese. The researchers
say they would expect more overweight and obese children if they had
come from a wider socio-economic range.

The results showed a curious correlation between fat intake and BMI.
High BMI children were gaining weight because their bodies were
storing too much fat. But these children were not the ones consuming
the most fat. Children with low or ideal BMI ate more fat than those
who had high BMI.

The key is in the amount of unsaturated fat that a child consumes and
omega-3 in particular. Omega-3 is found in fatty fish and vegetables.

A third of the children in the group were not eating enough
unsaturated fat, and by far the greatest deficiency was the level of
omega-3 fat in their diet, according to lead researcher and Dietician
Malin Haglund Garemo.

Other studies have also suggested a link between lack of omega-3 and
obesity, she said.

Another important discovery was that the highest insulin levels were
found in the children who had put on the most weight. Girls in
particular showed this tendency, the researchers said. And girls with
the lowest insulin levels were the ones who consumed the most
unsaturated fat.

The study also found that many of the children were eating
unhealthily. 70 per cent of them were deficient in iron, and 20 per
cent of them were not getting enough calcium. Their daily intake of
fruit and vegetables was only 140 g a day, instead of the recommended
daily amount of 400 g.

And over 25 per cent of their daily energy was coming from what might
be called "junk" foods such as soft drinks, candy or sweets, cookies,
biscuits and ice cream.

The children who watched more than one hour of TV every day also had a
higher BMI.

The researchers want to conduct further studies "to see if the early
increase in insulin is causing obesity. Such results would go against
the common perception that fat causes increased insulin production as
a result of insulin resistance," said Malin Haglund Garemo.

****

25% of their diets were low fat "junk" foods such as soft drinks,
candy or sweets, cookies, biscuits and ice cream.Cookies, biscuits and ice cream are generally high fat.

The fatter ones ate the least fat.But the most calories. Or are you jumping to the stupid conclusion
that to get thinner, you eat more fat?
This artcle suggests you get thinner by ingesting a few hundred
milligrams of n3 faqtty acids.

Restricting fat in the diet led to malnourishment in key nutrients.Where did you imagine this from? Fat usually contains little nutrient
other than massive energy. The n3 FA deficiency will be remedied by
some whole grains.

Remember me saying that the problem is not in the fats, that the
problem is in the carbs? Does that sound familiar?Yes, but where do you think this artcle confirms your unsubstantiated
mantra?

And to emphasize a very important point:

"The researchers want to conduct further studies "to see if the early
increase in insulin is causing obesity. Such results would go against
the common perception that fat causes increased insulin production as
a result of insulin resistance," said Malin Haglund Garemo."And?
You were so certain.
But these folk don't know.?

Insulin? Involved in obesity? Wow? But I thought it was just a matter
of calories!!!!!!!!!It is. Always. Psychology, climate, socioeconomic development and
insulin also have input. Can you not read English?

This guy must be a heretic. And heretic is the
right word because we must all have blind faith and believe in our
advanced degree pinheaded nutritional leaders when they proclaim their
wisdom to the world.Well, certainly not your meat industry mantra that grains are the
cause of all our ills.

Prediction:

1) The US nutritional authorities will label this as the "Swedish
Paradox".What paradox? I saw none

2) Industry food cult trolls will label this a too small a study, or
will jump on some minor points to dispute while ignoring the major
point being made.The major point being trhat more investigation should be done?

3) Advanced degree university allopathic professor pinheads will make
up some high sounding rationalization to justify their ignoring the
real world in their curriculums as they educate the next generation of
completely nutritionally-ignorant doctors and nutritionists.Wow, you are bucking for a bonus from your meat industry employer?

jack- Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text -

jack- Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text -

Funny, a food industry troll accusing me of being a food industry
troll.

"> and you call others idiots? Pot, kettle?"

No, never and I avoid personal attack. I do however think it important
to characterise the quality of the logic and evidence and conclusions
others present in an purely impersonal manner. Thus it is the quality
of the content and not the person to which I draw attention, including
your own.

You are truly an idiot, freshie.

Let's see, you can't tell the difference between :

"Not Enough Of The Right Fats Can Make Children Overweight"

and

"low-fat diets fail and are dangerous"

and you call others idiots? Pot, kettle?

jack

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You guys are unable to connect the dots.

Kids eating lower fat were fatter.

That shows that low fat diets fail.

Although we already know from past studies that low fat fails in more
than 95% of cases.

"The results showed a curious correlation between fat intake and BMI.
High BMI children were gaining weight because their bodies were
storing too much fat. But these children were not the ones consuming
the most fat. Children with low or ideal BMI ate more fat than those
who had high BMI."

Hence my statement that low fat fails.

Regarding the low fat is dangerous statement. If you read the article
you will see that many of the kids were unhealthy.

"A third of the children in the group were not eating enough
unsaturated fat, and by far the greatest deficiency was the level of
omega-3 fat in their diet, according to lead researcher and Dietician
Malin Haglund Garemo.

Other studies have also suggested a link between lack of omega-3 and
obesity, she said.

Another important discovery was that the highest insulin levels were
found in the children who had put on the most weight. Girls in
particular showed this tendency, the researchers said. And girls with
the lowest insulin levels were the ones who consumed the most
unsaturated fat."

The fatter ones ate less fat and were deficient in Omega 3. Low fat
leads to malnourishment of Omega 3 and, although not mentioned here,
also of fat soluble vitamins A, D, E and K.

"The study also found that many of the children were eating
unhealthily. 70 per cent of them were deficient in iron, and 20 per
cent of them were not getting enough calcium."

Iron is available in red meat. Insofar as calcium is concerned, we
tend to ignore the fact that refined carbs leads to calcium lose.

Thus:

"And over 25 per cent of their daily energy was coming from what might
be called "junk" foods such as soft drinks, candy or sweets, cookies,

biscuits and ice cream."

explains the calcium deficiency.

A chronically low fat diet or a diet substituting crappy highly
refined vegetable fats for healthy animal fats is a nutritionally
deficient diet and is dangerous for ones health in the long run.

And a
diet high in refined carbs will cause insulin problems, obesity and
several, including calcium, deficiencies. So low-fat/high-carb is
dangerous.