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Ilena Rose

Posted: Fri Dec 22, 2006 12:19 pm

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http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/21/business/21drug.html?_r=1&oref=slogin#

Disparity Emerges in Lilly Data on Schizophrenia Drug

By ALEX BERENSON
Published: December 21, 2006

For at least a year, Eli Lilly provided information to doctors about
the blood-sugar risks of its drug Zyprexa that did not match data that
the company circulated internally when it first reviewed its clinical
trial results, according to company documents.

The original results showed that patients on Zyprexa, Lilly’s pill for
schizophrenia, were 3.5 times as likely to experience high blood sugar
levels as those taking a placebo, according to a February 2000 memo
sent to top Lilly scientists. The memo is one of hundreds of internal
Lilly documents provided to The New York Times by a lawyer in Alaska
who represents mentally ill patients.

But the results that Lilly eventually provided to doctors until at
least late 2001 were very different. Those results indicated that
patients taking Zyprexa were only slightly more likely to suffer high
blood sugar as those taking a placebo, or an inactive pill.

Another Lilly report, from November 1999, shows that Lilly found after
examining 70 clinical trials that 16 percent of patients taking
Zyprexa for a year gained more than 66 pounds.

The company did not publicly disclose that figure, instead focusing on
data from a smaller group of clinical trials that showed about 30
percent of patients gained 22 pounds.

Weight gain and high blood sugar are important risk factors for
diabetes, and the question of whether Zyprexa causes diabetes has been
a subject of scientific debate for several years.

Lilly says no link has ever been proven.

In response to questions about the difference between its first view
of the data and its subsequent public description, Lilly issued a
statement yesterday saying that the later figures were accurate and
the information in February 2000 was out of context.

In yesterday’s statement, the company said that after the February
2000 memo, it re-examined its clinical trial results and found errors
in its “final, standard quality check of the data.”

But the February 2000 document, which is labeled “Confidential,” does
not indicate that the figures it contains are preliminary. In fact, in
a footnote, it explains that the data exclude patients “from whom
there was a probable lab error.”

A separate document from November 1999 includes handwritten figures
identical to those from the February document, with additional detail
about the increases in blood sugar that patients suffered.

The revised figures were shared with the Food and Drug Administration,
Lilly said. It did not say whether it had ever disclosed the initial
data to the F.D.A.

The F.D.A. did not respond to requests for comment yesterday.

The 2000 memo indicates that it was prepared as Lilly considered
changing Zyprexa’s prescription label to provide doctors with more
information about the drug’s potential to raise blood-sugar levels.

The issue was crucially important to the sales prospects of Zyprexa,
which was introduced in 1996. Psychiatrists were already increasingly
aware by 2000 that Zyprexa caused severe weight gain in many patients.

“In 1999, we already were thinking this drug causes weight gain —
that’s clear — and there could be a lot of other metabolic
consequences of that,” Dr. David N. Osser, a psychiatry professor at
Harvard University, said yesterday. “The weight gain itself is a known
risk factor for diabetes.”

The February 2000 memo was prepared as background for a meeting of
Lilly scientists to the possible changes for Zyprexa’s label.

According to the memo, Lilly scientists initially wanted to propose a
relatively straightforward statement on the label that high blood
sugar had been observed in patients taking Zyprexa in clinical trials.
That change was never made.

Lilly’s analysis in early 2000 came at a time when some doctors and
regulatory agencies were beginning to question whether Zyprexa could
cause increases in blood sugar or diabetes. Although Lilly says that
no link between Zyprexa and diabetes has ever been proven, the
American Diabetes Association found in 2004 that Zyprexa was more
likely to cause diabetes than other, similar drugs.

Zyprexa is by far Lilly’s best-selling product, with $4.2 billion in
sales in 2005, which represented 30 percent of Lilly’s overall
revenue. Zyprexa’s active ingredient is a potent chemical that binds
to receptors in the brain to reduce the hallucinations and delusions
associated with schizophrenia and acute bipolar disorder. About two
million people worldwide took Zyprexa last year.

At the February 2000 meeting for which the memo was prepared, the
agenda was to discuss Zyprexa’s tendency to cause high blood sugar,
which is medically known as hyperglycemia.

According to the memo, Lilly had reviewed data from its clinical
trials and found that “the incidence of treatment-emergent
hyperglycemia in olanzapine group (3.6%) was higher than that in the
placebo group (1.05%).” Olanzapine is the generic name for Zyprexa.

But when Lilly subsequently discussed the clinical trial results with
doctors, it used a different comparison. Lilly told doctors that
Zyprexa had caused 3.1 percent of patients — not 3.6 percent — to have
high-blood sugar. And it said that 2.5 percent of patients on the
placebo — not 1.05 percent — had high-blood sugar. As a result, the
rates of high blood sugar in the two groups seemed almost identical in
the revised data.

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Twittering One

Posted: Fri Dec 22, 2006 12:25 pm

Guest

Ritalin or Dexedrine is certainly a safer choice.

Twittering One

Posted: Fri Dec 22, 2006 12:30 pm

Guest

Zyprexa is also approved -- and prescribed -- for the treatment of
Bipolar Disorder, not only schizophrenia, a rapidly growing market
segment.

Be sure to get a second or third opinion if you are incorrectly
diagnosed.

This is not a class of medication you should swallow lightly.

Twittering One

Posted: Fri Dec 22, 2006 12:42 pm

Guest

Furthermore, if you are stalked and harassed -- online and/or in real
life -- by a person with a previous arrest and jail record for
harassment, be sure to take appropriate legal steps to protect
yourself. Do not attempt to deal with this person yourself; you risk
your safety in doing so.

Rick Morris

Posted: Fri Dec 22, 2006 1:53 pm

Guest

On 12/22/06 10:30 AM, in article
1166805040.342706.198470@48g2000cwx.googlegroups.com, "Twittering One"
<mournenwould@aol.com> wrote:

Quote:

This is not a class of medication you should swallow lightly.

No medication class is. Everyone who takes a medication should be aware of
it's effects and side effects and know what to look for as far as problems.

Zyprexa is known for it's lipid and blood glucose issues, no matter what
Lily says. When I was working at Oregon State Hospital in 2000, they already
had a mandatory Atypical Panel they ran on anyone before and during
treatment with atypical anti-psychotics.
To be fair, Lily has invested in training for health care professionals
about these problems and strategies for dealing with them when the
therapeutic effect is good.

I would never put a pill in my mouth until I knew about why it was going to
be helpful and what the side effects were. I have declined treatment when it
did not seem reasonable and my doctor and I are still friends.

--
³The Overman...who has organized the chaos of his passions, given style to
his character, and become creative. Aware of life's terrors, he affirms life
without resentment²
Nietzsche

Twittering One

Posted: Fri Dec 22, 2006 2:23 pm

Guest

Quote:

To be fair, Lily has invested in training for health care professionals
about these problems and strategies for dealing with them when the
therapeutic effect is good.

Okey dokey.
Tell that to the beneficiaries of the Class Action Suit.

Ilena Rose

Posted: Fri Dec 22, 2006 3:20 pm

Guest

In the breast implant world, Dow and other silicone sellers trained
women with implants to go out and sell them for them via Dow funded
groups such as "Y Me" as well as trained 800 telephone operators ...
who were shut down for lying to the callers. (see FDA message below)

Personally, I believe the med device / pharma industries have spent
way too long lying to the public to increase their sales and win their
lawsuits.

Further, I firmly believe they use "Public Outreach" or "flacks" or
"shills" throughout the various internet media, including here on
Usenet, to distort the facts and cause disinformation to run rampant.

www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/blog.htm

www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/QuackWatchWatch.htm

http://www.elfyourself.com/?userid=c7592398da519e7b70e47d3G06121616
Holiday Greetings from Ilena Rosenthal

Answers 12/31/1991

T91-79 Susan Cruzan
Dec. 31, 1991 (301) 443-3285

WARNING LETTER TO DOW CORNING WRIGHT ON BREAST IMPLANT 1-800 NUMBER

FDA has determined that a hotline set up by Dow Corning Wright Corp.,
of Arlington, Tenn., is providing misleading information about the
safety of silicone gel-filled breast implants to callers who have
questions about these devices. The following may be used to respond to
questions.

On Dec. 30, FDA sent a warning letter to Dow Corning stating that some
of the information being provided to women over the company's toll
free information line was false or was used in a confusing or
misleading context.

FDA's warning letter cited verbal statements made by Dow Corning's
hotline staff that overstate the safety of their implants or minimize
known or suspected side effects. FDA documented these false or
misleading statements, including assertions that breast implants are
100 percent safe, that the FDA advisory panel which met on November
12, 13 and 14, l991 said that breast implants were safe, that silicone
cannot migrate to other organs in the body, and that breast implants
have never been linked to autoimmune or connective tissue diseases.

Since Sept. 26, 1991, FDA has required manufacturers to supply
accurate
information on the risks associated with breast implants to women who
are
considering breast implant surgery. FDA has provided guidance for
manufacturers and physicians on the type of information required. FDA
has
stated that it would regard a manufacturer as misbranding its breast
prosthesis unless its labeling provides adequate information on risks.

FDA believes that Dow Corning's hotline is falsely reassuring women of
the safety of breast implants when studies have not fully shown the
frequency of known adverse effects, nor whether potential long-term
effects such as autoimmune disease can be linked to the implants. FDA
warned the company that it must cease making these overstated and
misleading claims, and asked for the firm's response on corrective
actions by Jan. 2, 1992.

About 2 million women in the United States have breast implants, with
about 150,000 receiving them each year.

In April 1991, FDA asked the manufacturers to submit scientific data
showing the safety and effectiveness of silicone gel-filled implants
by
July 9, 1991. FDA is currently evaluating these applications to
determine
if the data demonstrate that the implants are safe and effective. The
agency's decision is due in early 1992.

FDA has received many inquiries from women on the safety of breast
implants, and will provide written consumer information on request.
Inquiries should be sent (preferably on a postcard) to:

Breast Implants
FDA, HFE-88
Rockville, MD 2085

Coleah

Posted: Fri Dec 22, 2006 3:27 pm

Guest

"Rick Morris" <wmorris@neb.rr.com> wrote in message
news:C1B177B1.17F7C%wmorris@neb.rr.com...

Quote:

On 12/22/06 10:30 AM, in article
1166805040.342706.198470@48g2000cwx.googlegroups.com, "Twittering One"
mournenwould@aol.com> wrote:

This is not a class of medication you should swallow lightly.

No medication class is. Everyone who takes a medication should be aware
of
it's effects and side effects and know what to look for as far as
problems.

I agree with you that consumers should educate themselves. Unfortunately
not all consumers have the ability to educate themselves and comprehend as
sharply as others (ie: Schizophrenia patients).

My daughter worked at the Oregon State Hospital in 2004, in the Forensics
unit, and certainly can attest to the need for health care professionals to
monitor effects and side effects (because the patients were not able).

Quote:

Zyprexa is known for it's lipid and blood glucose issues, no matter what
Lily says. When I was working at Oregon State Hospital in 2000, they
already
had a mandatory Atypical Panel they ran on anyone before and during
treatment with atypical anti-psychotics.
To be fair, Lily has invested in training for health care professionals
about these problems and strategies for dealing with them when the
therapeutic effect is good.

I would never put a pill in my mouth until I knew about why it was going
to
be helpful and what the side effects were. I have declined treatment when
it
did not seem reasonable and my doctor and I are still friends.

Being a clear minded, fully functional person with a knowledge about the
workings of the human body and the ability to research and analyze has it's
advantages. One can then work in cooperation with one's doctor, on a
conversational level.

Quote:

--
³The Overman...who has organized the chaos of his passions, given style to
his character, and become creative. Aware of life's terrors, he affirms
life
without resentment²
Nietzsche

Coleah

Posted: Fri Dec 22, 2006 3:29 pm

Guest

http://www.ilena-rosenthal.com

"Ilena Rose" <BIA@mundo.com> wrote in message
news:shaoo2tv8s7dmhhddq5v9hmk2mmh72ilv1@4ax.com...

Quote:

Interesting comments:

To be fair, Lily has invested in training for health care professionals
about these problems and strategies for dealing with them when the
therapeutic effect is good.

In the breast implant world, Dow and other silicone sellers trained
women with implants to go out and sell them for them via Dow funded
groups such as "Y Me" as well as trained 800 telephone operators ...
who were shut down for lying to the callers. (see FDA message below)

Personally, I believe the med device / pharma industries have spent
way too long lying to the public to increase their sales and win their
lawsuits.

Further, I firmly believe they use "Public Outreach" or "flacks" or
"shills" throughout the various internet media, including here on
Usenet, to distort the facts and cause disinformation to run rampant.

www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/blog.htm

www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/QuackWatchWatch.htm

http://www.elfyourself.com/?userid=c7592398da519e7b70e47d3G06121616
Holiday Greetings from Ilena Rosenthal

Answers 12/31/1991

T91-79 Susan Cruzan
Dec. 31, 1991 (301) 443-3285

WARNING LETTER TO DOW CORNING WRIGHT ON BREAST IMPLANT 1-800 NUMBER

FDA has determined that a hotline set up by Dow Corning Wright Corp.,
of Arlington, Tenn., is providing misleading information about the
safety of silicone gel-filled breast implants to callers who have
questions about these devices. The following may be used to respond to
questions.

On Dec. 30, FDA sent a warning letter to Dow Corning stating that some
of the information being provided to women over the company's toll
free information line was false or was used in a confusing or
misleading context.

FDA's warning letter cited verbal statements made by Dow Corning's
hotline staff that overstate the safety of their implants or minimize
known or suspected side effects. FDA documented these false or
misleading statements, including assertions that breast implants are
100 percent safe, that the FDA advisory panel which met on November
12, 13 and 14, l991 said that breast implants were safe, that silicone
cannot migrate to other organs in the body, and that breast implants
have never been linked to autoimmune or connective tissue diseases.

Since Sept. 26, 1991, FDA has required manufacturers to supply
accurate
information on the risks associated with breast implants to women who
are
considering breast implant surgery. FDA has provided guidance for
manufacturers and physicians on the type of information required. FDA
has
stated that it would regard a manufacturer as misbranding its breast
prosthesis unless its labeling provides adequate information on risks.

FDA believes that Dow Corning's hotline is falsely reassuring women of
the safety of breast implants when studies have not fully shown the
frequency of known adverse effects, nor whether potential long-term
effects such as autoimmune disease can be linked to the implants. FDA
warned the company that it must cease making these overstated and
misleading claims, and asked for the firm's response on corrective
actions by Jan. 2, 1992.

About 2 million women in the United States have breast implants, with
about 150,000 receiving them each year.

In April 1991, FDA asked the manufacturers to submit scientific data
showing the safety and effectiveness of silicone gel-filled implants
by
July 9, 1991. FDA is currently evaluating these applications to
determine
if the data demonstrate that the implants are safe and effective. The
agency's decision is due in early 1992.

FDA has received many inquiries from women on the safety of breast
implants, and will provide written consumer information on request.
Inquiries should be sent (preferably on a postcard) to:

Breast Implants
FDA, HFE-88
Rockville, MD 2085

Coleah

Posted: Fri Dec 22, 2006 9:31 pm

Guest

Thank you. Some quotes shall be added to the longggggggg list of quotes
from others as the Explanations, Opinions and Doubting Questions. (Sorry
Jan, I know this drastic lack of attention on YOU must be extremely painful.
Shall we post the links to you talking about fingering through a bucket of
your own feces? Once again....get a hobby or go bizzerk....oops, too late!)

"Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:fRYih.5740$yC5.2478@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net...

Quote:

"Coleah" <coleah@pacifier.com> wrote in message
news:12oocfj7h1c6df2@corp.supernews.com...
http://www.ilena-rosenthal.com

http://www.ilena-rosenthal.com/coleah.html

You forgot to post all the things you said about her.

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.breast-implant/msg/2bf2205119739cbb

'Whining Jew Bitch'

You also forgot that you are a proven liar.

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.breast-implant/msg/41548bc27ea773f1

Apr 20 2004

"OOREROOM" <oorer...@aol.com> wrote in message

news:20040420125334.17234.00000145@mb-m11.aol.com...

But had not a word to say about Andrew Kingoff's trivializing the ten
commandments.

As a "Christian" Shold you not be keeping your nose out of someone elses
relationship to God, and his rules? Should you not be putting more focus
on forgiveness and less focus on judging the behavior of others?

************************************
I did some research and found the 'offending' 10 Commandments of which Jan
complains.
It is becoming clearer to me why they were written in the first
place......as you will see in the copy of the second message toward the
bottom. Sigh. Sigh. Sigh. It is no surpise.
Coleah

From: JKingoff (jking...@aol.com)
Subject: The MHA Ten Commandments

View this article only
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Date: 2001-12-10 22:27:32 PST

It has been forty days and forty nights since I last
posted to Usenet. In that time, I have pondered the
10,000 thousand depths of the Great Tao. With a broad sword and clear
understanding, from pure truth I have carved out these MHA Ten
Commandments.

These 10 Commandments which I post here today are the
immutable laws of MHA posting.

Heed these words. Know ye that language is a fragile
vessel through which to convey meaning. Lo, the
Internet is a medium fraught with a myriad of
vagaries. Yet through these 10 Commandments, reasoned
discourse, without the taint of commercialism,
pseudo-science, and personal agendas, is possible.

(In no particular order)

Thou Shalt Not:

Spam nor shalt thou shill

Accept Anecdotes as Data

Use MHA as a support group nor post you simply
to gain attention

Be a Health Pornographer nor a Health Slut

Bash Conventional Medicine

Be a Solipsist

Violate Goodwin's law
-------------------------
Thou Shalt:

Respect Logic

Be Skeptical

Post References

Now, I must again bid adieu. I am duly called back to my Zhenjuological
Ministrations & Meditations.

Fear not, for in time, I shall return to broaden and
deepen the discourse and consciousness of these 10
Commandments.*********************************************From: JKingoff
(jking...@aol.com)Subject: Re: Anger research View this article only
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternativeDate: 2001-12-12 06:00:33 PST >In
article
20011211175439.10181.00002...@mb-cl.aol.com>,

ils...@aol.com5554 (Ilsa Nein) wrote:

newly unveiled MHA 10 **Commandments. You could learn a lot...

QuackBarrett came down off the mountain himself for you ?

More reading comprehension problems, Ilena?

Read this very carefully:

With my broadsword and a clear understanding, I carved these MHA 10
Commandments out of the PURE truth of the Great Dao.

Now, Ilena, go memorize these MHA 10 Commandments, commit them to heart,
and
only post within their guidelines.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Quote:

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.breast-implant/msg/3313d093b1a7bf01

Aug 15 2006

I don't know Andrew Kingoff or what he has to do with the price of tea in
China. You are the one who posted about playing in your poop....little
Ms.
Altie. Funny though, it did not keep you out of the hospital where the
horrid conventional doctors, practices and bad germs are waiting to kill
you.

http://groups.google.com/group/misc.health.alternative/msg/e09f62b1b04cb4b7

Mar 24 2004

Subject: Andrew Kingoff Defames Himself

Or that you do reverse telephone searches postin the names, numbers and
addresses of innocent people

while calling others *nosey*.

http://groups-beta.google.com/group/misc.health.alternative/msg/bc9fe323cbba82df

http://phone.people.yahoo.com/py/psPhoneEntry.py?firstname=James&last...

Neighbors:
http://www.reversephonedirectory.com/phonenumber/address/index.html?n...

~~~~

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.breast-implant/msg/5a3b6d97449b2e9d

**COLEAH SAYS:
Ho, ho, ho!
http://www.onlinerummaging.com/asbi
There were 8 or 9 people sending in their 'rendition'
of how you look to them. BTW - Ms. Narcissism,
Jan has her share of the artistic works there also (but how nice
that you take credit for ALL

The issue was not about "$$$ from my back pockets" you BITCH.

YOU DENIED THAT YOU EVER GOT WOMEN'S NAMES,
INFORMATION AND EMAIL ADDRESSES FROM MY
WEBSITE.....PERIOD.

You are a LIAR, A CHEAT and A FRAUD.

And you coveted those people like you owned them.
Never giving THEM an opportunity to get involved in anything outside
your private little world for them. Never giving them a choice in the
matter of what was available to them.

We're not talking about a stinking line of code either.
For the 3rd party link I had log into the 3rd party site,
gather the new entries and transfer all the information
into a separate email to send to you. You Ungrateful Bitch!

Then there were two separate "Promote Ilena"
webpages on the site. You Ungrateful Bitch.

http://www.onlinerummaging.com/asbi/joinlist.html
Now....does THAT look familiar?
along with this?:
http://www.onlinerummaging.com/asbi/il.htm

YOU SAID
"W R O N G".............AND YOU ARE A SACK OF SHIT LIAR.
Now that you are caught with your smelly pants down, and shown
proof that you got lot's of referrals off my website you want to
twist and turn things away from your original statement.
No, no Bitch!

YOU SAID "WRONG"

That isn't the issue you ungrateful bitch.
YOU LIED ABOUT EVER GETTING REFERRALS
OFF MY WEBSITE .... PERIOD. AND NOW THAT YOUR
PANTS ARE DOWN AROUND YOUR ANKLES, YOU
STILL CAN'T ADMIT YOU L I E D.........
NO, YOU HAVE TO WRITE SOME SARCASTIC
HALF-ASS "THANKS FOR THE LINK".

YOU ARE WITHOUT A DOUBT THE MOST, SELF-CENTERED
UNGRATEFUL PIECE OF ARROGANT SHIT I'VE EVER RUN
ACROSS. YOU ARE DEAD MEAT.

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.breast-implant/msg/3bc9fbd6ff1e985f

Jan 12 2005

http://www.onlinerummaging.com/asbi

Yesterday's newspaper..................I told you
I removed that "webPAGE" last week.

http://groups.google.com/group/misc.health.alternative/msg/17462d0e2e746af2

Jan 11 2005

People are on earth to express their love and acceptance of
one another. With some folks we have a harder time accepting
even one cell about them that is lovable, so our communication
with them is.....ah, at a pretty low level. It's a waste of time
to dwell too long with our 'low-level loved ones', for we also
appear as such.

I hope you don't get stuck in that muck, as I have in the past.

Coleah

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.breast-implant/msg/0609c321f98fdb50

Apr 3 2005

Your nose?
You mean the one with fat nostriles?
http://www.onlinerummaging.com/asbi/47.jpg

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.breast-implant/msg/b064e7eb8feb492a

Jan 23 2006

Picky, picky.....
We can see that it is causing skin off your long pointy nose....
http://www.onlinerummaging.com/asbi/47.jpg

Jan=Chicken-Shit Covert Bitch

Again, if you can't handle who I am on this planet, sit on it and twirl.
You are such an 'uplifting' Christian! I'll bet you've lead many people
to
Christ on these newsgroups you have invaded....er,
pestered....ah.....posted
to.

http://www.pacifier.com/~coleah/> Come on in SOME THINGS I AM UP TO IN
LIFE Our Daily Dread...to start the day Jan. 23, 2006 Lead Them To Jesus.

People who have such a gigantic problem with how/when/where/why I worship
(or don't) get bent over for the 'ole battery acid enema. Like I said
Jan....you are so over due for your attitude adjustment. Leopold 14:3

http://groups.google.com/group/misc.health.alternative/msg/c3f9048bb7b6c1a1

Feb23 2004

Jan, as a practicing Christian (and I say 'practicing' because I know I'm
never going to be a 'perfect' Christian) I hurt inside when I read open
conflicts containing ethic words or arguments about different religions.

Your words (above) that God forgives us 'the way we forgive others' really
hit home to me in a special way. It reminded me that each of us is an
example of God's love, in action, through us....in our own lives. I
thought
of times when it was easy to display God's forgiveness, such as instantly
excusing the person in a grocery line who banged into me with a cart.
They
don't have to say they are sorry and I don't have to use words to express
my
forgiveness, a little smile at the person will do. Turning the other
cheek,
so to speak.

A really hard time to display God's forgiveness comes up when I am really,
really bound by anger and resentment for something someone said or did.
Boy-oh-boy, no instant excusing or sweet little smile lives inside me
then,
for whoever that unfortunate person happens to be! Then I wonder if God
really doesn't forgive me something's for a long, long time. Hmmmm. The
way I don't forgive others for a long, long time? Does God have to forgive
us? Do we have to forgive others? If not, under what circumstances?
Questions to ponder.

I am reminded of an attorney I went to for a divorce in the early 1980's.
He went to the same church I was attending. He could see that I was,
ah....deeply withdrawn into a very dark place inside myself (I now call
it
hell-on-earth as a characterization). Certainly I was not open to having
God express through me regarding the soon to be ex, his family, friends,
and
other men who looked, dressed, talked or walked like him. I'm not sure,
but
I'm sure I wasn't smiling at grocery store cart bangers then either (the
darkness tends to seep out to others when one has anger and resentment
strongly about just one person who did us wrong.)

That's when the attorney reminded me of what I needed to do. Surround him
with white light and acknowledge the goodness inside my soon to be ex.
Ho,
ho, ho, did the attorney find me a resistant participant with that one!
But
being the genuinely caring and loving person the attorney was, he worked
with me and would not let me leave his office until I agreed that whenever
I
saw, talked to or thought about my soon to be ex I would repeat these
words
(through gritted teeth BTW) until the feeling of major upset subsided:
"Surround the soon to be ex with white light and I acknowledge the
goodness
that may POSSIBLY be in just ONE LITTLE CELL of the soon to be ex's ENTIRE
body"

So I guess my own question has been answered just in typing this. God
does
always forgives us instantly and it is we who fail to let that blessed
unconditional forgiveness shine through to others. I sense this is
something that assists people in healing smart-aleckness, hurts,
misunderstandings, rudeness and anger in newsgroups also.....one by one.

Coleah

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.breast-implant/msg/e6aabe70e1eddd40

Jan 23 2006

Ah Jan.....Shut up. You are an idiot.
Get your pointy nose out of my 'business'. I like who I am and I don't
need
your approval for shit. I've told you before, if you don't like what I
write...kill file me, you whining covert bitch.

You delight in gathering what you think is just horrible, ugly horseshit
about people and then waving it in the air as if to somehow publicly
expose
them as bad and wrong, compared to your pure and holy, lily-white ass.

Get over yourself already. You aren't going to embarrass me. You aren't
going to get other people to hate me for being who I am or who I am not.

"JanD" <J...@insightbb.com> wrote in message

news:9FgBf.721024$x96.462373@attbi_s72...

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.breast-implant/msg/5f0db6e87b0fd48c

Jun 25 2004

Overlook?
Is there a written law which says "I" need to get
in the middle of YOUR personal battles? I'm a
practicing Christian and certainly not perfect.

You on the other hand remind us daily of your elevation
by beating people over the head with Bible quotes.
Fight your own battle honey!

http://groups.google.com/group/misc.health.alternative/msg/19de6192d4d9f24e

May 2 2006

"Jan Drew" <jdrew1...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message

news:xjO5g.81131$dW3.76199@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com...

As opposed to YOU Jan Drew, who has reached utter 'perfection' ??????
Gag, gag, gag.......

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.breast-implant/msg/f0ed7ccbf3ce834c

May 30 2006

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.breast-implant/msg/689206f59e62d26d

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.breast-implant/msg/3f4aeeff712d7897

Jan Drew" <jdrew1...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message

news:WcTeg.102963$dW3.26344@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com...

[Oh Jan, you are so very silly. I am a perfect combination of all my
experience. AND I can say 'shit' if I have a belly full. See, I expel it
in clear communication, whereas you prefer to crap it in a bucket and
finger
through it, looking for the parasites. I feel that my method is more
cleansing and refreshing overall, but to each her own.......

Kiss, kiss]

http://groups.google.com/group/misc.health.alternative/msg/7821637af19c209e

Jul 2 2004

Jan" <jdrew63...@aol.com> wrote in message

news:20040702232842.25527.00001054@mb-m29.aol.com...

But you are the Holier Than Thou Bible Thumper 'Christian',
Jan.....not I. I'm still a 'practicing' Christian, unlike you who
comes off like you have already made it to 'perfection'.

Lord have mercy, indeed!

"Ilena Rose" <BIA@mundo.com> wrote in message
news:shaoo2tv8s7dmhhddq5v9hmk2mmh72ilv1@4ax.com...
Interesting comments:

To be fair, Lily has invested in training for health care professionals
about these problems and strategies for dealing with them when the
therapeutic effect is good.

In the breast implant world, Dow and other silicone sellers trained
women with implants to go out and sell them for them via Dow funded
groups such as "Y Me" as well as trained 800 telephone operators ...
who were shut down for lying to the callers. (see FDA message below)

Personally, I believe the med device / pharma industries have spent
way too long lying to the public to increase their sales and win their
lawsuits.

Further, I firmly believe they use "Public Outreach" or "flacks" or
"shills" throughout the various internet media, including here on
Usenet, to distort the facts and cause disinformation to run rampant.

www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/blog.htm

www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/QuackWatchWatch.htm

http://www.elfyourself.com/?userid=c7592398da519e7b70e47d3G06121616
Holiday Greetings from Ilena Rosenthal

Answers 12/31/1991

T91-79 Susan Cruzan
Dec. 31, 1991 (301) 443-3285

WARNING LETTER TO DOW CORNING WRIGHT ON BREAST IMPLANT 1-800 NUMBER

FDA has determined that a hotline set up by Dow Corning Wright Corp.,
of Arlington, Tenn., is providing misleading information about the
safety of silicone gel-filled breast implants to callers who have
questions about these devices. The following may be used to respond to
questions.

On Dec. 30, FDA sent a warning letter to Dow Corning stating that some
of the information being provided to women over the company's toll
free information line was false or was used in a confusing or
misleading context.

FDA's warning letter cited verbal statements made by Dow Corning's
hotline staff that overstate the safety of their implants or minimize
known or suspected side effects. FDA documented these false or
misleading statements, including assertions that breast implants are
100 percent safe, that the FDA advisory panel which met on November
12, 13 and 14, l991 said that breast implants were safe, that silicone
cannot migrate to other organs in the body, and that breast implants
have never been linked to autoimmune or connective tissue diseases.

Since Sept. 26, 1991, FDA has required manufacturers to supply
accurate
information on the risks associated with breast implants to women who
are
considering breast implant surgery. FDA has provided guidance for
manufacturers and physicians on the type of information required. FDA
has
stated that it would regard a manufacturer as misbranding its breast
prosthesis unless its labeling provides adequate information on risks.

FDA believes that Dow Corning's hotline is falsely reassuring women of
the safety of breast implants when studies have not fully shown the
frequency of known adverse effects, nor whether potential long-term
effects such as autoimmune disease can be linked to the implants. FDA
warned the company that it must cease making these overstated and
misleading claims, and asked for the firm's response on corrective
actions by Jan. 2, 1992.

About 2 million women in the United States have breast implants, with
about 150,000 receiving them each year.

In April 1991, FDA asked the manufacturers to submit scientific data
showing the safety and effectiveness of silicone gel-filled implants
by
July 9, 1991. FDA is currently evaluating these applications to
determine
if the data demonstrate that the implants are safe and effective. The
agency's decision is due in early 1992.

FDA has received many inquiries from women on the safety of breast
implants, and will provide written consumer information on request.
Inquiries should be sent (preferably on a postcard) to:

Breast Implants
FDA, HFE-88
Rockville, MD 2085

Twittering One

Posted: Fri Dec 22, 2006 10:20 pm

Guest

In case you've not sign up yet ...

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hyperglycemia, pancreatitis and diabetic ketoacidosis. Zyprexa is
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* 2002 - Study at Duke University showed a connection between Zyprexa
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This study documented nearly 300 cases of diabetes in people using
Zyprexa.

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* June 2005 - Eli Lilly announces plans to settle Zyprexa claims

Jan Drew

Posted: Fri Dec 22, 2006 11:57 pm

Guest

Quote:

Thank you. Some quotes shall be added to the longggggggg list of quotes
from others as the Explanations, Opinions and Doubting Questions. (Sorry
Jan, I know this drastic lack of attention on YOU must be extremely
painful. Shall we post the links to you talking about fingering through a
bucket of your own feces? Once again....get a hobby or go
bizzerk....oops, too late!)

lol. YOU are a proven liar. Face it. As well, as accusing others of your
exact guilt

Quote:

"Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:fRYih.5740$yC5.2478@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net...

"Coleah" <coleah@pacifier.com> wrote in message
news:12oocfj7h1c6df2@corp.supernews.com...
http://www.ilena-rosenthal.com

http://www.ilena-rosenthal.com/coleah.html

You forgot to post all the things you said about her.

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.breast-implant/msg/2bf2205119739cbb

'Whining Jew Bitch'

You also forgot that you are a proven liar.

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.breast-implant/msg/41548bc27ea773f1

Apr 20 2004

"OOREROOM" <oorer...@aol.com> wrote in message

news:20040420125334.17234.00000145@mb-m11.aol.com...

But had not a word to say about Andrew Kingoff's trivializing the ten
commandments.

As a "Christian" Shold you not be keeping your nose out of someone elses
relationship to God, and his rules? Should you not be putting more focus
on forgiveness and less focus on judging the behavior of others?

************************************
I did some research and found the 'offending' 10 Commandments of which
Jan
complains.
It is becoming clearer to me why they were written in the first
place......as you will see in the copy of the second message toward the
bottom. Sigh. Sigh. Sigh. It is no surpise.
Coleah

From: JKingoff (jking...@aol.com)
Subject: The MHA Ten Commandments

View this article only
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Date: 2001-12-10 22:27:32 PST

It has been forty days and forty nights since I last
posted to Usenet. In that time, I have pondered the
10,000 thousand depths of the Great Tao. With a broad sword and clear
understanding, from pure truth I have carved out these MHA Ten
Commandments.

These 10 Commandments which I post here today are the
immutable laws of MHA posting.

Heed these words. Know ye that language is a fragile
vessel through which to convey meaning. Lo, the
Internet is a medium fraught with a myriad of
vagaries. Yet through these 10 Commandments, reasoned
discourse, without the taint of commercialism,
pseudo-science, and personal agendas, is possible.

(In no particular order)

Thou Shalt Not:

Spam nor shalt thou shill

Accept Anecdotes as Data

Use MHA as a support group nor post you simply
to gain attention

Be a Health Pornographer nor a Health Slut

Bash Conventional Medicine

Be a Solipsist

Violate Goodwin's law
-------------------------
Thou Shalt:

Respect Logic

Be Skeptical

Post References

Now, I must again bid adieu. I am duly called back to my Zhenjuological
Ministrations & Meditations.

Fear not, for in time, I shall return to broaden and
deepen the discourse and consciousness of these 10
Commandments.*********************************************From: JKingoff
(jking...@aol.com)Subject: Re: Anger research View this article only
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternativeDate: 2001-12-12 06:00:33 PST >In
article
20011211175439.10181.00002...@mb-cl.aol.com>,

ils...@aol.com5554 (Ilsa Nein) wrote:

newly unveiled MHA 10 **Commandments. You could learn a lot...

QuackBarrett came down off the mountain himself for you ?

More reading comprehension problems, Ilena?

Read this very carefully:

With my broadsword and a clear understanding, I carved these MHA 10
Commandments out of the PURE truth of the Great Dao.

Now, Ilena, go memorize these MHA 10 Commandments, commit them to heart,
and
only post within their guidelines.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.breast-implant/msg/3313d093b1a7bf01

Aug 15 2006

I don't know Andrew Kingoff or what he has to do with the price of tea in
China. You are the one who posted about playing in your poop....little
Ms.
Altie. Funny though, it did not keep you out of the hospital where the
horrid conventional doctors, practices and bad germs are waiting to kill
you.

http://groups.google.com/group/misc.health.alternative/msg/e09f62b1b04cb4b7

Mar 24 2004

Subject: Andrew Kingoff Defames Himself

Or that you do reverse telephone searches postin the names, numbers and
addresses of innocent people

while calling others *nosey*.

http://groups-beta.google.com/group/misc.health.alternative/msg/bc9fe323cbba82df

http://phone.people.yahoo.com/py/psPhoneEntry.py?firstname=James&last...

Neighbors:
http://www.reversephonedirectory.com/phonenumber/address/index.html?n...

~~~~

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.breast-implant/msg/5a3b6d97449b2e9d

**COLEAH SAYS:
Ho, ho, ho!
http://www.onlinerummaging.com/asbi
There were 8 or 9 people sending in their 'rendition'
of how you look to them. BTW - Ms. Narcissism,
Jan has her share of the artistic works there also (but how nice
that you take credit for ALL

The issue was not about "$$$ from my back pockets" you BITCH.

YOU DENIED THAT YOU EVER GOT WOMEN'S NAMES,
INFORMATION AND EMAIL ADDRESSES FROM MY
WEBSITE.....PERIOD.

You are a LIAR, A CHEAT and A FRAUD.

And you coveted those people like you owned them.
Never giving THEM an opportunity to get involved in anything outside
your private little world for them. Never giving them a choice in the
matter of what was available to them.

We're not talking about a stinking line of code either.
For the 3rd party link I had log into the 3rd party site,
gather the new entries and transfer all the information
into a separate email to send to you. You Ungrateful Bitch!

Then there were two separate "Promote Ilena"
webpages on the site. You Ungrateful Bitch.

http://www.onlinerummaging.com/asbi/joinlist.html
Now....does THAT look familiar?
along with this?:
http://www.onlinerummaging.com/asbi/il.htm

YOU SAID
"W R O N G".............AND YOU ARE A SACK OF SHIT LIAR.
Now that you are caught with your smelly pants down, and shown
proof that you got lot's of referrals off my website you want to
twist and turn things away from your original statement.
No, no Bitch!

YOU SAID "WRONG"

That isn't the issue you ungrateful bitch.
YOU LIED ABOUT EVER GETTING REFERRALS
OFF MY WEBSITE .... PERIOD. AND NOW THAT YOUR
PANTS ARE DOWN AROUND YOUR ANKLES, YOU
STILL CAN'T ADMIT YOU L I E D.........
NO, YOU HAVE TO WRITE SOME SARCASTIC
HALF-ASS "THANKS FOR THE LINK".

YOU ARE WITHOUT A DOUBT THE MOST, SELF-CENTERED
UNGRATEFUL PIECE OF ARROGANT SHIT I'VE EVER RUN
ACROSS. YOU ARE DEAD MEAT.

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.breast-implant/msg/3bc9fbd6ff1e985f

Jan 12 2005

http://www.onlinerummaging.com/asbi

Yesterday's newspaper..................I told you
I removed that "webPAGE" last week.

http://groups.google.com/group/misc.health.alternative/msg/17462d0e2e746af2

Jan 11 2005

People are on earth to express their love and acceptance of
one another. With some folks we have a harder time accepting
even one cell about them that is lovable, so our communication
with them is.....ah, at a pretty low level. It's a waste of time
to dwell too long with our 'low-level loved ones', for we also
appear as such.

I hope you don't get stuck in that muck, as I have in the past.

Coleah

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.breast-implant/msg/0609c321f98fdb50

Apr 3 2005

Your nose?
You mean the one with fat nostriles?
http://www.onlinerummaging.com/asbi/47.jpg

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.breast-implant/msg/b064e7eb8feb492a

Jan 23 2006

Picky, picky.....
We can see that it is causing skin off your long pointy nose....
http://www.onlinerummaging.com/asbi/47.jpg

Jan=Chicken-Shit Covert Bitch

Again, if you can't handle who I am on this planet, sit on it and twirl.
You are such an 'uplifting' Christian! I'll bet you've lead many people
to
Christ on these newsgroups you have invaded....er,
pestered....ah.....posted
to.

http://www.pacifier.com/~coleah/> Come on in SOME THINGS I AM UP TO IN
LIFE Our Daily Dread...to start the day Jan. 23, 2006 Lead Them To
Jesus.

People who have such a gigantic problem with how/when/where/why I worship
(or don't) get bent over for the 'ole battery acid enema. Like I said
Jan....you are so over due for your attitude adjustment. Leopold 14:3

http://groups.google.com/group/misc.health.alternative/msg/c3f9048bb7b6c1a1

Feb23 2004

Jan, as a practicing Christian (and I say 'practicing' because I know I'm
never going to be a 'perfect' Christian) I hurt inside when I read open
conflicts containing ethic words or arguments about different religions.

Your words (above) that God forgives us 'the way we forgive others'
really
hit home to me in a special way. It reminded me that each of us is an
example of God's love, in action, through us....in our own lives. I
thought
of times when it was easy to display God's forgiveness, such as instantly
excusing the person in a grocery line who banged into me with a cart.
They
don't have to say they are sorry and I don't have to use words to express
my
forgiveness, a little smile at the person will do. Turning the other
cheek,
so to speak.

A really hard time to display God's forgiveness comes up when I am
really,
really bound by anger and resentment for something someone said or did.
Boy-oh-boy, no instant excusing or sweet little smile lives inside me
then,
for whoever that unfortunate person happens to be! Then I wonder if God
really doesn't forgive me something's for a long, long time. Hmmmm. The
way I don't forgive others for a long, long time? Does God have to
forgive
us? Do we have to forgive others? If not, under what circumstances?
Questions to ponder.

I am reminded of an attorney I went to for a divorce in the early 1980's.
He went to the same church I was attending. He could see that I was,
ah....deeply withdrawn into a very dark place inside myself (I now call
it
hell-on-earth as a characterization). Certainly I was not open to having
God express through me regarding the soon to be ex, his family, friends,
and
other men who looked, dressed, talked or walked like him. I'm not sure,
but
I'm sure I wasn't smiling at grocery store cart bangers then either (the
darkness tends to seep out to others when one has anger and resentment
strongly about just one person who did us wrong.)

That's when the attorney reminded me of what I needed to do. Surround
him
with white light and acknowledge the goodness inside my soon to be ex.
Ho,
ho, ho, did the attorney find me a resistant participant with that one!
But
being the genuinely caring and loving person the attorney was, he worked
with me and would not let me leave his office until I agreed that
whenever I
saw, talked to or thought about my soon to be ex I would repeat these
words
(through gritted teeth BTW) until the feeling of major upset subsided:
"Surround the soon to be ex with white light and I acknowledge the
goodness
that may POSSIBLY be in just ONE LITTLE CELL of the soon to be ex's
ENTIRE
body"

So I guess my own question has been answered just in typing this. God
does
always forgives us instantly and it is we who fail to let that blessed
unconditional forgiveness shine through to others. I sense this is
something that assists people in healing smart-aleckness, hurts,
misunderstandings, rudeness and anger in newsgroups also.....one by one.

Coleah

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.breast-implant/msg/e6aabe70e1eddd40

Jan 23 2006

Ah Jan.....Shut up. You are an idiot.
Get your pointy nose out of my 'business'. I like who I am and I don't
need
your approval for shit. I've told you before, if you don't like what I
write...kill file me, you whining covert bitch.

You delight in gathering what you think is just horrible, ugly horseshit
about people and then waving it in the air as if to somehow publicly
expose
them as bad and wrong, compared to your pure and holy, lily-white ass.

Get over yourself already. You aren't going to embarrass me. You aren't
going to get other people to hate me for being who I am or who I am not.

"JanD" <J...@insightbb.com> wrote in message

news:9FgBf.721024$x96.462373@attbi_s72...

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.breast-implant/msg/5f0db6e87b0fd48c

Jun 25 2004

Overlook?
Is there a written law which says "I" need to get
in the middle of YOUR personal battles? I'm a
practicing Christian and certainly not perfect.

You on the other hand remind us daily of your elevation
by beating people over the head with Bible quotes.
Fight your own battle honey!

http://groups.google.com/group/misc.health.alternative/msg/19de6192d4d9f24e

May 2 2006

"Jan Drew" <jdrew1...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message

news:xjO5g.81131$dW3.76199@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com...

As opposed to YOU Jan Drew, who has reached utter 'perfection' ??????
Gag, gag, gag.......

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.breast-implant/msg/f0ed7ccbf3ce834c

May 30 2006

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.breast-implant/msg/689206f59e62d26d

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.breast-implant/msg/3f4aeeff712d7897

Jan Drew" <jdrew1...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message

news:WcTeg.102963$dW3.26344@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com...

[Oh Jan, you are so very silly. I am a perfect combination of all my
experience. AND I can say 'shit' if I have a belly full. See, I expel
it
in clear communication, whereas you prefer to crap it in a bucket and
finger
through it, looking for the parasites. I feel that my method is more
cleansing and refreshing overall, but to each her own.......

Kiss, kiss]

http://groups.google.com/group/misc.health.alternative/msg/7821637af19c209e

Jul 2 2004

Jan" <jdrew63...@aol.com> wrote in message

news:20040702232842.25527.00001054@mb-m29.aol.com...

But you are the Holier Than Thou Bible Thumper 'Christian',
Jan.....not I. I'm still a 'practicing' Christian, unlike you who
comes off like you have already made it to 'perfection'.

Lord have mercy, indeed!

"Ilena Rose" <BIA@mundo.com> wrote in message
news:shaoo2tv8s7dmhhddq5v9hmk2mmh72ilv1@4ax.com...
Interesting comments:

To be fair, Lily has invested in training for health care professionals
about these problems and strategies for dealing with them when the
therapeutic effect is good.

In the breast implant world, Dow and other silicone sellers trained
women with implants to go out and sell them for them via Dow funded
groups such as "Y Me" as well as trained 800 telephone operators ...
who were shut down for lying to the callers. (see FDA message below)

Personally, I believe the med device / pharma industries have spent
way too long lying to the public to increase their sales and win their
lawsuits.

Further, I firmly believe they use "Public Outreach" or "flacks" or
"shills" throughout the various internet media, including here on
Usenet, to distort the facts and cause disinformation to run rampant.

www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/blog.htm

www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/QuackWatchWatch.htm

http://www.elfyourself.com/?userid=c7592398da519e7b70e47d3G06121616
Holiday Greetings from Ilena Rosenthal

Answers 12/31/1991

T91-79 Susan Cruzan
Dec. 31, 1991 (301) 443-3285

WARNING LETTER TO DOW CORNING WRIGHT ON BREAST IMPLANT 1-800 NUMBER

FDA has determined that a hotline set up by Dow Corning Wright Corp.,
of Arlington, Tenn., is providing misleading information about the
safety of silicone gel-filled breast implants to callers who have
questions about these devices. The following may be used to respond to
questions.

On Dec. 30, FDA sent a warning letter to Dow Corning stating that some
of the information being provided to women over the company's toll
free information line was false or was used in a confusing or
misleading context.

FDA's warning letter cited verbal statements made by Dow Corning's
hotline staff that overstate the safety of their implants or minimize
known or suspected side effects. FDA documented these false or
misleading statements, including assertions that breast implants are
100 percent safe, that the FDA advisory panel which met on November
12, 13 and 14, l991 said that breast implants were safe, that silicone
cannot migrate to other organs in the body, and that breast implants
have never been linked to autoimmune or connective tissue diseases.

Since Sept. 26, 1991, FDA has required manufacturers to supply
accurate
information on the risks associated with breast implants to women who
are
considering breast implant surgery. FDA has provided guidance for
manufacturers and physicians on the type of information required. FDA
has
stated that it would regard a manufacturer as misbranding its breast
prosthesis unless its labeling provides adequate information on risks.

FDA believes that Dow Corning's hotline is falsely reassuring women of
the safety of breast implants when studies have not fully shown the
frequency of known adverse effects, nor whether potential long-term
effects such as autoimmune disease can be linked to the implants. FDA
warned the company that it must cease making these overstated and
misleading claims, and asked for the firm's response on corrective
actions by Jan. 2, 1992.

About 2 million women in the United States have breast implants, with
about 150,000 receiving them each year.

In April 1991, FDA asked the manufacturers to submit scientific data
showing the safety and effectiveness of silicone gel-filled implants
by
July 9, 1991. FDA is currently evaluating these applications to
determine
if the data demonstrate that the implants are safe and effective. The
agency's decision is due in early 1992.

FDA has received many inquiries from women on the safety of breast
implants, and will provide written consumer information on request.
Inquiries should be sent (preferably on a postcard) to:

Breast Implants
FDA, HFE-88
Rockville, MD 2085

Coleah

Posted: Sat Dec 23, 2006 1:37 am

Guest

"Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:rL1jh.12430$Gw4.5342@newssvr23.news.prodigy.net...

Quote:

"Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:fRYih.5740$yC5.2478@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net...

"Coleah" <coleah@pacifier.com> wrote in message
news:12op1n03qpjsp92@corp.supernews.com...
Thank you. Some quotes shall be added to the longggggggg list of quotes
from others as the Explanations, Opinions and Doubting Questions. (Sorry
Jan, I know this drastic lack of attention on YOU must be extremely
painful. Shall we post the links to you talking about fingering through a
bucket of your own feces? Once again....get a hobby or go
bizzerk....oops, too late!)

lol. YOU are a proven liar. Face it. As well, as accusing others of
your exact guilt

Chortle! Being called a LIAR by Jan Drew is nothing special or unique, as
the Google archives verify. Few people have NOT been called a liar by Jan
Drew.

http://groups.google.com/group/misc.health.alternative/browse_frm/thread/b254c6cc7c79c026/a1f1cf9fba608f9d?lnk=st&q=&rnum=4&hl=en#a1f1cf9fba608f9d

Jan Drew:
"I checked all bowel movements (wasn't too difficult when taking enemas) for
a long time. That is how you learn. You must take your health into your own
hands ........"

Quote:

"Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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"Coleah" <coleah@pacifier.com> wrote in message
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http://www.ilena-rosenthal.com

http://www.ilena-rosenthal.com/coleah.html

You forgot to post all the things you said about her.

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.breast-implant/msg/2bf2205119739cbb

'Whining Jew Bitch'

You also forgot that you are a proven liar.

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.breast-implant/msg/41548bc27ea773f1

Apr 20 2004

"OOREROOM" <oorer...@aol.com> wrote in message

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But had not a word to say about Andrew Kingoff's trivializing the ten
commandments.

As a "Christian" Shold you not be keeping your nose out of someone
elses relationship to God, and his rules? Should you not be putting
more focus on forgiveness and less focus on judging the behavior of
others?

************************************
I did some research and found the 'offending' 10 Commandments of which
Jan
complains.
It is becoming clearer to me why they were written in the first
place......as you will see in the copy of the second message toward the
bottom. Sigh. Sigh. Sigh. It is no surpise.
Coleah

From: JKingoff (jking...@aol.com)
Subject: The MHA Ten Commandments

View this article only
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Date: 2001-12-10 22:27:32 PST

It has been forty days and forty nights since I last
posted to Usenet. In that time, I have pondered the
10,000 thousand depths of the Great Tao. With a broad sword and clear
understanding, from pure truth I have carved out these MHA Ten
Commandments.

These 10 Commandments which I post here today are the
immutable laws of MHA posting.

Heed these words. Know ye that language is a fragile
vessel through which to convey meaning. Lo, the
Internet is a medium fraught with a myriad of
vagaries. Yet through these 10 Commandments, reasoned
discourse, without the taint of commercialism,
pseudo-science, and personal agendas, is possible.

(In no particular order)

Thou Shalt Not:

Spam nor shalt thou shill

Accept Anecdotes as Data

Use MHA as a support group nor post you simply
to gain attention

Be a Health Pornographer nor a Health Slut

Bash Conventional Medicine

Be a Solipsist

Violate Goodwin's law
-------------------------
Thou Shalt:

Respect Logic

Be Skeptical

Post References

Now, I must again bid adieu. I am duly called back to my Zhenjuological
Ministrations & Meditations.

Fear not, for in time, I shall return to broaden and
deepen the discourse and consciousness of these 10
Commandments.*********************************************From: JKingoff
(jking...@aol.com)Subject: Re: Anger research View this article only
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternativeDate: 2001-12-12 06:00:33 PST >In
article
20011211175439.10181.00002...@mb-cl.aol.com>,

ils...@aol.com5554 (Ilsa Nein) wrote:

newly unveiled MHA 10 **Commandments. You could learn a lot...

QuackBarrett came down off the mountain himself for you ?

More reading comprehension problems, Ilena?

Read this very carefully:

With my broadsword and a clear understanding, I carved these MHA 10
Commandments out of the PURE truth of the Great Dao.

Now, Ilena, go memorize these MHA 10 Commandments, commit them to heart,
and
only post within their guidelines.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.breast-implant/msg/3313d093b1a7bf01

Aug 15 2006

I don't know Andrew Kingoff or what he has to do with the price of tea
in
China. You are the one who posted about playing in your poop....little
Ms.
Altie. Funny though, it did not keep you out of the hospital where the
horrid conventional doctors, practices and bad germs are waiting to kill
you.

http://groups.google.com/group/misc.health.alternative/msg/e09f62b1b04cb4b7

Mar 24 2004

Subject: Andrew Kingoff Defames Himself

Or that you do reverse telephone searches postin the names, numbers and
addresses of innocent people

while calling others *nosey*.

http://groups-beta.google.com/group/misc.health.alternative/msg/bc9fe323cbba82df

http://phone.people.yahoo.com/py/psPhoneEntry.py?firstname=James&last...

Neighbors:
http://www.reversephonedirectory.com/phonenumber/address/index.html?n...

~~~~

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.breast-implant/msg/5a3b6d97449b2e9d

**COLEAH SAYS:
Ho, ho, ho!
http://www.onlinerummaging.com/asbi
There were 8 or 9 people sending in their 'rendition'
of how you look to them. BTW - Ms. Narcissism,
Jan has her share of the artistic works there also (but how nice
that you take credit for ALL

The issue was not about "$$$ from my back pockets" you BITCH.

YOU DENIED THAT YOU EVER GOT WOMEN'S NAMES,
INFORMATION AND EMAIL ADDRESSES FROM MY
WEBSITE.....PERIOD.

You are a LIAR, A CHEAT and A FRAUD.

And you coveted those people like you owned them.
Never giving THEM an opportunity to get involved in anything outside
your private little world for them. Never giving them a choice in the
matter of what was available to them.

We're not talking about a stinking line of code either.
For the 3rd party link I had log into the 3rd party site,
gather the new entries and transfer all the information
into a separate email to send to you. You Ungrateful Bitch!

Then there were two separate "Promote Ilena"
webpages on the site. You Ungrateful Bitch.

http://www.onlinerummaging.com/asbi/joinlist.html
Now....does THAT look familiar?
along with this?:
http://www.onlinerummaging.com/asbi/il.htm

YOU SAID
"W R O N G".............AND YOU ARE A SACK OF SHIT LIAR.
Now that you are caught with your smelly pants down, and shown
proof that you got lot's of referrals off my website you want to
twist and turn things away from your original statement.
No, no Bitch!

YOU SAID "WRONG"

That isn't the issue you ungrateful bitch.
YOU LIED ABOUT EVER GETTING REFERRALS
OFF MY WEBSITE .... PERIOD. AND NOW THAT YOUR
PANTS ARE DOWN AROUND YOUR ANKLES, YOU
STILL CAN'T ADMIT YOU L I E D.........
NO, YOU HAVE TO WRITE SOME SARCASTIC
HALF-ASS "THANKS FOR THE LINK".

YOU ARE WITHOUT A DOUBT THE MOST, SELF-CENTERED
UNGRATEFUL PIECE OF ARROGANT SHIT I'VE EVER RUN
ACROSS. YOU ARE DEAD MEAT.

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.breast-implant/msg/3bc9fbd6ff1e985f

Jan 12 2005

http://www.onlinerummaging.com/asbi

Yesterday's newspaper..................I told you
I removed that "webPAGE" last week.

http://groups.google.com/group/misc.health.alternative/msg/17462d0e2e746af2

Jan 11 2005

People are on earth to express their love and acceptance of
one another. With some folks we have a harder time accepting
even one cell about them that is lovable, so our communication
with them is.....ah, at a pretty low level. It's a waste of time
to dwell too long with our 'low-level loved ones', for we also
appear as such.

I hope you don't get stuck in that muck, as I have in the past.

Coleah

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.breast-implant/msg/0609c321f98fdb50

Apr 3 2005

Your nose?
You mean the one with fat nostriles?
http://www.onlinerummaging.com/asbi/47.jpg

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.breast-implant/msg/b064e7eb8feb492a

Jan 23 2006

Picky, picky.....
We can see that it is causing skin off your long pointy nose....
http://www.onlinerummaging.com/asbi/47.jpg

Jan=Chicken-Shit Covert Bitch

Again, if you can't handle who I am on this planet, sit on it and twirl.
You are such an 'uplifting' Christian! I'll bet you've lead many people
to
Christ on these newsgroups you have invaded....er,
pestered....ah.....posted
to.

http://www.pacifier.com/~coleah/> Come on in SOME THINGS I AM UP TO IN
LIFE Our Daily Dread...to start the day Jan. 23, 2006 Lead Them To
Jesus.

People who have such a gigantic problem with how/when/where/why I
worship
(or don't) get bent over for the 'ole battery acid enema. Like I said
Jan....you are so over due for your attitude adjustment. Leopold 14:3

http://groups.google.com/group/misc.health.alternative/msg/c3f9048bb7b6c1a1

Feb23 2004

Jan, as a practicing Christian (and I say 'practicing' because I know
I'm
never going to be a 'perfect' Christian) I hurt inside when I read open
conflicts containing ethic words or arguments about different religions.

Your words (above) that God forgives us 'the way we forgive others'
really
hit home to me in a special way. It reminded me that each of us is an
example of God's love, in action, through us....in our own lives. I
thought
of times when it was easy to display God's forgiveness, such as
instantly
excusing the person in a grocery line who banged into me with a cart.
They
don't have to say they are sorry and I don't have to use words to
express my
forgiveness, a little smile at the person will do. Turning the other
cheek,
so to speak.

A really hard time to display God's forgiveness comes up when I am
really,
really bound by anger and resentment for something someone said or did.
Boy-oh-boy, no instant excusing or sweet little smile lives inside me
then,
for whoever that unfortunate person happens to be! Then I wonder if God
really doesn't forgive me something's for a long, long time. Hmmmm.
The
way I don't forgive others for a long, long time? Does God have to
forgive
us? Do we have to forgive others? If not, under what circumstances?
Questions to ponder.

I am reminded of an attorney I went to for a divorce in the early
1980's.
He went to the same church I was attending. He could see that I was,
ah....deeply withdrawn into a very dark place inside myself (I now call
it
hell-on-earth as a characterization). Certainly I was not open to
having
God express through me regarding the soon to be ex, his family, friends,
and
other men who looked, dressed, talked or walked like him. I'm not sure,
but
I'm sure I wasn't smiling at grocery store cart bangers then either (the
darkness tends to seep out to others when one has anger and resentment
strongly about just one person who did us wrong.)

That's when the attorney reminded me of what I needed to do. Surround
him
with white light and acknowledge the goodness inside my soon to be ex.
Ho,
ho, ho, did the attorney find me a resistant participant with that one!
But
being the genuinely caring and loving person the attorney was, he worked
with me and would not let me leave his office until I agreed that
whenever I
saw, talked to or thought about my soon to be ex I would repeat these
words
(through gritted teeth BTW) until the feeling of major upset subsided:
"Surround the soon to be ex with white light and I acknowledge the
goodness
that may POSSIBLY be in just ONE LITTLE CELL of the soon to be ex's
ENTIRE
body"

So I guess my own question has been answered just in typing this. God
does
always forgives us instantly and it is we who fail to let that blessed
unconditional forgiveness shine through to others. I sense this is
something that assists people in healing smart-aleckness, hurts,
misunderstandings, rudeness and anger in newsgroups also.....one by one.

Coleah

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.breast-implant/msg/e6aabe70e1eddd40

Jan 23 2006

Ah Jan.....Shut up. You are an idiot.
Get your pointy nose out of my 'business'. I like who I am and I don't
need
your approval for shit. I've told you before, if you don't like what I
write...kill file me, you whining covert bitch.

You delight in gathering what you think is just horrible, ugly horseshit
about people and then waving it in the air as if to somehow publicly
expose
them as bad and wrong, compared to your pure and holy, lily-white ass.

Get over yourself already. You aren't going to embarrass me. You
aren't
going to get other people to hate me for being who I am or who I am not.

"JanD" <J...@insightbb.com> wrote in message

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http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.breast-implant/msg/5f0db6e87b0fd48c

Jun 25 2004

Overlook?
Is there a written law which says "I" need to get
in the middle of YOUR personal battles? I'm a
practicing Christian and certainly not perfect.

You on the other hand remind us daily of your elevation
by beating people over the head with Bible quotes.
Fight your own battle honey!

http://groups.google.com/group/misc.health.alternative/msg/19de6192d4d9f24e

May 2 2006

"Jan Drew" <jdrew1...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message

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As opposed to YOU Jan Drew, who has reached utter 'perfection' ??????
Gag, gag, gag.......

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.breast-implant/msg/f0ed7ccbf3ce834c

May 30 2006

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.breast-implant/msg/689206f59e62d26d

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.breast-implant/msg/3f4aeeff712d7897

Jan Drew" <jdrew1...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message

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[Oh Jan, you are so very silly. I am a perfect combination of all my
experience. AND I can say 'shit' if I have a belly full. See, I expel
it
in clear communication, whereas you prefer to crap it in a bucket and
finger
through it, looking for the parasites. I feel that my method is more
cleansing and refreshing overall, but to each her own.......

Kiss, kiss]

http://groups.google.com/group/misc.health.alternative/msg/7821637af19c209e

Jul 2 2004

Jan" <jdrew63...@aol.com> wrote in message

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But you are the Holier Than Thou Bible Thumper 'Christian',
Jan.....not I. I'm still a 'practicing' Christian, unlike you who
comes off like you have already made it to 'perfection'.

Lord have mercy, indeed!

"Ilena Rose" <BIA@mundo.com> wrote in message
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Interesting comments:

To be fair, Lily has invested in training for health care
professionals about these problems and strategies for dealing with
them when the therapeutic effect is good.

In the breast implant world, Dow and other silicone sellers trained
women with implants to go out and sell them for them via Dow funded
groups such as "Y Me" as well as trained 800 telephone operators ...
who were shut down for lying to the callers. (see FDA message below)

Personally, I believe the med device / pharma industries have spent
way too long lying to the public to increase their sales and win their
lawsuits.

Further, I firmly believe they use "Public Outreach" or "flacks" or
"shills" throughout the various internet media, including here on
Usenet, to distort the facts and cause disinformation to run rampant.

www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/blog.htm

www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/QuackWatchWatch.htm

http://www.elfyourself.com/?userid=c7592398da519e7b70e47d3G06121616
Holiday Greetings from Ilena Rosenthal

Answers 12/31/1991

T91-79 Susan Cruzan
Dec. 31, 1991 (301) 443-3285

WARNING LETTER TO DOW CORNING WRIGHT ON BREAST IMPLANT 1-800 NUMBER

FDA has determined that a hotline set up by Dow Corning Wright Corp.,
of Arlington, Tenn., is providing misleading information about the
safety of silicone gel-filled breast implants to callers who have
questions about these devices. The following may be used to respond to
questions.

On Dec. 30, FDA sent a warning letter to Dow Corning stating that some
of the information being provided to women over the company's toll
free information line was false or was used in a confusing or
misleading context.

FDA's warning letter cited verbal statements made by Dow Corning's
hotline staff that overstate the safety of their implants or minimize
known or suspected side effects. FDA documented these false or
misleading statements, including assertions that breast implants are
100 percent safe, that the FDA advisory panel which met on November
12, 13 and 14, l991 said that breast implants were safe, that silicone
cannot migrate to other organs in the body, and that breast implants
have never been linked to autoimmune or connective tissue diseases.

Since Sept. 26, 1991, FDA has required manufacturers to supply
accurate
information on the risks associated with breast implants to women who
are
considering breast implant surgery. FDA has provided guidance for
manufacturers and physicians on the type of information required. FDA
has
stated that it would regard a manufacturer as misbranding its breast
prosthesis unless its labeling provides adequate information on risks.

FDA believes that Dow Corning's hotline is falsely reassuring women of
the safety of breast implants when studies have not fully shown the
frequency of known adverse effects, nor whether potential long-term
effects such as autoimmune disease can be linked to the implants. FDA
warned the company that it must cease making these overstated and
misleading claims, and asked for the firm's response on corrective
actions by Jan. 2, 1992.

About 2 million women in the United States have breast implants, with
about 150,000 receiving them each year.

In April 1991, FDA asked the manufacturers to submit scientific data
showing the safety and effectiveness of silicone gel-filled implants
by
July 9, 1991. FDA is currently evaluating these applications to
determine
if the data demonstrate that the implants are safe and effective. The
agency's decision is due in early 1992.

FDA has received many inquiries from women on the safety of breast
implants, and will provide written consumer information on request.
Inquiries should be sent (preferably on a postcard) to:

Breast Implants
FDA, HFE-88
Rockville, MD 2085

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