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| MS |
 Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 1:22 pm |
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What do other RN's feel is the best way to join forces for heading off
the proposal to change University Hospital to a private institution
merged with Crouse in Syracuse, NY? Frankly as an upstate NY resident I
have a deep appreciation for the cutting edge technology that SUNY
Upstate provides and do not feel like losing this asset while the
majority of my tax dollars are siphoned off to another area of this
state...Not to mention the impact this will have on their Children's
Hospital and the new research facilities they were going to add. Inputs?
Yes, we will be writing letters of course... |
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| Candide |
| Posted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 2:22 am |
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"MS" <mmms24@cornell.edu> wrote in message
news:MPG.1fd789b574a5bf7398969e@newsstand.cit.cornell.edu...
Quote: What do other RN's feel is the best way to join forces for heading off
the proposal to change University Hospital to a private institution
merged with Crouse in Syracuse, NY? Frankly as an upstate NY resident
I
have a deep appreciation for the cutting edge technology that SUNY
Upstate provides and do not feel like losing this asset while the
majority of my tax dollars are siphoned off to another area of this
state...Not to mention the impact this will have on their Children's
Hospital and the new research facilities they were going to add.
Inputs?
Yes, we will be writing letters of course...
Do not know if you are a member of the nursing or medical profession, or
just a concerned resident of the area, but the hand writing is on the
wall, and has been so for some time; times have changed and hospitals
must also. NYS spends more on health care, particularly Medicaid and
Medicare than any other state in the nation (in fact more than the two
largest combined, Texas and Florida), and yet has one of the highest
levels of uninsured, and not the best health care for dollars spent.
Crouse and University hospitals have been dancing back and forth with
full or some type of partial merger for almost 30 years now. Every time
things get close, one group or another vetoes the plan out of parochial
reasons. The Federal government has told NYS to clean up it's
Medicare/Medicaid/health act, and is offering major funding if NYS takes
steps in that direction.
You can write all the letters you wish, and perhaps you and yours may
succeed in yet again cancelling the merger, but sooner or later
something is going to give. Oh and do not expect any massive infusion of
funds from the Federal government and quite honestly NYS either; the
former has already put NYS on notice to clean up it's healthcare act,
and the later is literally bankrupt.
When St. Vincent's of Staten Island was put of for sale, it got ONE
bidder, the financially unstable Bayonne Medical Centre. This gives you
an idea of just how interested anyone else is about buying hospitals.
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| MS |
| Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 1:25 pm |
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In article <BY8ch.291$4p2.280@trndny07>, PityMePines@anywhere.com
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Quote: "MS" <mmms24@cornell.edu> wrote in message
news:MPG.1fd789b574a5bf7398969e@newsstand.cit.cornell.edu...
What do other RN's feel is the best way to join forces for heading off
the proposal to change University Hospital to a private institution
merged with Crouse in Syracuse, NY? Frankly as an upstate NY resident
I
have a deep appreciation for the cutting edge technology that SUNY
Upstate provides and do not feel like losing this asset while the
majority of my tax dollars are siphoned off to another area of this
state...Not to mention the impact this will have on their Children's
Hospital and the new research facilities they were going to add.
Inputs?
Yes, we will be writing letters of course...
Do not know if you are a member of the nursing or medical profession, or
just a concerned resident of the area,
Yes to both.
but the hand writing is on the
Quote: wall, and has been so for some time; times have changed and hospitals
must also. NYS spends more on health care, particularly Medicaid and
Medicare than any other state in the nation (in fact more than the two
largest combined, Texas and Florida),
Don't you feel it is because we have NYC hanging around our necks?
and yet has one of the highest
Quote: levels of uninsured, and not the best health care for dollars spent.
Crouse and University hospitals have been dancing back and forth with
full or some type of partial merger for almost 30 years now. Every time
things get close, one group or another vetoes the plan out of parochial
reasons.
I think they could merge, but do NOT want to lose the SUNY aspect at
Upstate--let them pull it from DOWNSTATE then-but that will never happen
a the political players only cater to downstate. While we slave away up
here in the great white north paying property, utility, sales, you name
it taxes to support that downstate burden.
It would be nice to use NY with all it's woes to act as a model for
really doing changes to heathcare reform instead of just applying quick
fix bandaids---like a move to a single payer system.
Yes, I am one of those people paying and paying for insurance and paying
and paying those taxes and just thinking about bailing on this state...
Yes and I'm whining, but thank you for the debate Candide.
I thought it handy that Pataki could jump in that helicopter to go to
the specialist for his appendectomy (when that surgery headed south) and
make it, when most of us could not get that special treatment.
The Federal government has told NYS to clean up it's
Quote: Medicare/Medicaid/health act, and is offering major funding if NYS takes
steps in that direction.
You can write all the letters you wish, and perhaps you and yours may
succeed in yet again cancelling the merger, but sooner or later
something is going to give. Oh and do not expect any massive infusion of
funds from the Federal government and quite honestly NYS either; the
former has already put NYS on notice to clean up it's healthcare act,
and the later is literally bankrupt.
When St. Vincent's of Staten Island was put of for sale, it got ONE
bidder, the financially unstable Bayonne Medical Centre. This gives you
an idea of just how interested anyone else is about buying hospitals.
Candide
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| guarnot |
| Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 10:45 pm |
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What does it mean to say that New York State spends more on Medicare
than any other state in the nation? The Medicaid part I understand,
since it involves both federal and state funds. But Medicare is
federally funded.
Candide wrote:
Quote: NYS spends more on health care, particularly Medicaid and
Medicare than any other state in the nation |
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| Candide |
| Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 5:29 am |
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"guarnot" <guarnot@aol.com> wrote in message
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Quote: What does it mean to say that New York State spends more on Medicare
than any other state in the nation? The Medicaid part I understand,
since it involves both federal and state funds. But Medicare is
federally funded.
Yes, Medicare is federal money, but the rates hospitals receive are set
by the government. When Congress passed the Balanced Budget Act, back
in the late 1990's it changed the way Medicare pays hospitals to one
flat rate for a condition regardless of where the hospital was located.
In other words for treating a stroke patient, the rate might be $11,000.
That rate would apply no matter if the hospital who treated the patient
was in Manhattan, New York, or Wichita Kansas. New York State, in
particular New York City obviously has higher costs than say a rural
hospital or probably most other places, but that was how things went.
New York State protested through it's elected leaders that consideration
also should be given to the fact NYS/NYC have a large number of teaching
hospitals, etc, but they got no where.
Further complicating matters is the fact NYS hospitals by statue are
required to care for the poor, and indeed NYS's constitution requires
the state care for the poor as well. For hospitals this means they must
take patients even if said patients cannot pay for services. If the
patient is not insured and or does not qualify for Medicare or Medicaid,
the hospital must "eat" the costs or try to make them up elsewhere.
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