"pmoran" <pmoran@bordernet.com.au> wrote in message
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There is a pattern of unconfirmability here that can only be reversed
by contemporary alternative practitioners producing all the cures they
are supposed to be producing. Your historical material and its
accompanying legendary material (like Steve Queen not dying of his
terminal cancer), is worthless, as I also showed when I went and
checked what Hardin Jones really said.

Peter Moran

that is the allopath song "produce" the cures ---and show us our med is
worthless. Nice myth. Allopaths have gone out of there way to suppress
those docs as issels and otehrs have found out, so why would they go to you?

You would find his book strange, real healing like bowel cleansing is a
different reality to poisoning someone into "health"

they just get on and cure people while ignoring the siren song of allopaths
like you--200,000 you say now? How come they don't believe you any more?

Kelly is the main one for FACT, and Ruth Sackman has been advising people
for 30 years after her daughter died of leukemia after allopathy
http://www.whale.to/cancer/fact.html

JOHN wrote:
Moran:

I won't deny that it might be possible to push the concentrations in
the body a bit higher by massive continuous dosages of Vitamin C but
cannot yet see any point in anyone doing so unless you have been sold a
bill of goods by those selling the stuff. It is nearly all just going
to go down the toilet in urine and faeces.=20

In article <1168466880.745543.34540@p59g2000hsd.googlegroups.com>,
pmoran <pmoran@bordernet.com.au> wrote:

JOHN wrote:
Moran:

...............

I won't deny that it might be possible to push the concentrations in
the body a bit higher by massive continuous dosages of Vitamin C but
cannot yet see any point in anyone doing so unless you have been sold a
bill of goods by those selling the stuff. It is nearly all just going
to go down the toilet in urine and faeces.=20

There have been studies using injected Vitamin C which do
have the desired effect.

There is also the antioxidant
effect of the vitamin, which apparently works best with
both vitamin E and beta carotene.

The statistical religion
learned by medical workers and researchers does not permit
of looking at combinations of causes, and many of their
studies are highly flawed because of this.

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are those of the Statistics Department or of Purdue University.
Herman Rubin, Department of Statistics, Purdue University
hrubin@stat.purdue.edu Phone: (765)494-6054 FAX: (765)494-0558

Herman Rubin wrote:
In article <1168466880.745543.34540@p59g2000hsd.googlegroups.com>,
pmoran <pmoran@bordernet.com.au> wrote:

JOHN wrote:
Moran:

...............

I won't deny that it might be possible to push the concentrations in
the body a bit higher by massive continuous dosages of Vitamin C but
cannot yet see any point in anyone doing so unless you have been sold a
bill of goods by those selling the stuff. It is nearly all just going
to go down the toilet in urine and faeces.=20

There have been studies using injected Vitamin C which do
have the desired effect.

Yes, very high concentrations can be acheived by intravenous injections
but there is as yet no solid evidence that this has any useful
purpose, or is safe for any long period.

There is also the antioxidant
effect of the vitamin, which apparently works best with
both vitamin E and beta carotene.

Works best on what? And how do you know? Supplementation with both
these vitamins have been associated with higher mortality rates in some
studies.

The statistical religion
learned by medical workers and researchers does not permit
of looking at combinations of causes, and many of their
studies are highly flawed because of this.

Yes studies can be flawed, but a very large number of interventional
and observational studies have been now performed using vitamin
supplements, with in general negative results, and even the suggestion
of harm in some instances, such as higher ocerll mortality rates in
people taking high doses of vitamin E and a poorer prognosis for lung
cancer patients using B carotene.

Traced back, the only evidence for benefit from supplementation has
come from observational studies where levels of intake of vitamins was
probably merely a marker for a more healthful lifestyle in other
respects. These have been promoted mercilessly by the vitamin
pushers, when it now seems that people would have been much healthier
if they had concentrated on their diet, keeping their weight down and
exercising more. In a lot of recent studies a better diet has been
shown to be a far more influential factor on health than
supplementation.

Doing a Medline search on "diet and vitamins" will priibably bring up
many for you to look at.

Peter Moran

Peter Moran


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This address is for information only. I do not claim that these views
are those of the Statistics Department or of Purdue University.
Herman Rubin, Department of Statistics, Purdue University
hrubin@stat.purdue.edu Phone: (765)494-6054 FAX: (765)494-0558

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