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a_l_p
Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 1:52 am
Guest
A friend sent me the following query. I looked blankly at the screen for an
instant and then the answer - well, the route to the answer - came to me:
sci.agriculture.poultry!


"Do you know what cross it is to produce either, Highline, ross brown or a
brown shaver chook?. they are all very similar. Identical in fact. A guy I
know thinks it is a Leghorn rooster over a rhode island red. or is it the
other way," enquired my friend.

A L P
Jill
Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 4:50 am
Guest
a_l_p wrote:
Quote:
A friend sent me the following query. I looked blankly at the screen
for an instant and then the answer - well, the route to the answer -
came to me: sci.agriculture.poultry!


"Do you know what cross it is to produce either, Highline, ross brown
or a brown shaver chook?. they are all very similar. Identical in
fact. A guy I know thinks it is a Leghorn rooster over a rhode island
red. or is it the other way," enquired my friend.

They are a VERY long way from being any direct cross of anything now.
In the 1950's when the demand for eggs worldwide rose steeply after the wars
and the general health of the national commercial mostly ranging flocks was
very very poor indeed, the industry took themselves in hand
In all the strong breeding countries the same things happen -- the egg
industry has been global for over 100 years and there was much to be shared.
The best birds from the available flocks were brought indoors to vast
breeding centres.
In this way the maximum output of the birds could be produced but more
importantly their health could be controlled very effectively.

First of all birds were tested for the major problems of the time --
salmonellaa, mycoplasmas etc.
Carriers were culled.

Then the productivity of the birds were tested.
The worst were culled

Then the breeding started in earnest. In the mix would have been
predominantly RIR and Leghorns as they were the predominant commercial breed
before.
Millions of birds were bred and over the next 10 years the various lines
were developed
This continues to this day

There are highly intensive breeding programmes all around the world where
the productivity and efficacy of the lines are being tweaked
High on the agenda at the moment are, for instance:

- improving shell quality because there is too high a percentage of eggs
having to go into the non-shell sector due to cracking and too high a
percentage of egg peritonitis before they are spent.
- bringing start of lay ever earlier - they have some strains that will
start at 15 weeks old but its not stable yet
- feed efficiency -- laying more but eating less, and also laying well on
cheaper feeds.

In different parts of the world there will be programmes to cope with
climate problems and the feed that they can get. Although the world wide
shipping of most basic constituents means that much of this is similar
around the globe. China is becoming increasingly dominant in their import of
all feedstuffs.

To achieve their aims there are millions of birds kept as great great
grandparent stocks from which they hope to breed gems of genetics, depending
on what they are looking for. These GGGrandparents are not a pure breed
either but will resemble more RIR type stocks or Leghorn type stocks.
Pure breed stock may be added to small flocks to inject certain features --
like improved shell quality.
A trace of this genetics is then put into the next generation and so on down
the line until you have the parent stocks which are still the athletes but
with the new improved feature in their system

[very oversimplified Wink]

Things like the Black Sex link or the Red Sex link are crosses of production
strains of pure breeds.

--

regards
Jill Bowis

Pure bred utility chickens and ducks
Housing; Equipment, Books, Videos, Gifts
Herbaceous; Herb and Alpine nursery
Working Holidays in Scotland
http://www.kintaline.co.uk
a_l_p
Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2007 5:00 am
Guest
Jill, that's SO much more, and so much more interesting, than either of us could
have imagined! Thanks you very much!

A L P


Jill wrote:
Quote:
a_l_p wrote:

A friend sent me the following query. I looked blankly at the screen
for an instant and then the answer - well, the route to the answer -
came to me: sci.agriculture.poultry!


"Do you know what cross it is to produce either, Highline, ross brown
or a brown shaver chook?. they are all very similar. Identical in
fact. A guy I know thinks it is a Leghorn rooster over a rhode island
red. or is it the other way," enquired my friend.


They are a VERY long way from being any direct cross of anything now.
In the 1950's when the demand for eggs worldwide rose steeply after the wars
and the general health of the national commercial mostly ranging flocks was
very very poor indeed, the industry took themselves in hand
In all the strong breeding countries the same things happen -- the egg
industry has been global for over 100 years and there was much to be shared.
The best birds from the available flocks were brought indoors to vast
breeding centres.
In this way the maximum output of the birds could be produced but more
importantly their health could be controlled very effectively.

First of all birds were tested for the major problems of the time --
salmonellaa, mycoplasmas etc.
Carriers were culled.

Then the productivity of the birds were tested.
The worst were culled

Then the breeding started in earnest. In the mix would have been
predominantly RIR and Leghorns as they were the predominant commercial breed
before.
Millions of birds were bred and over the next 10 years the various lines
were developed
This continues to this day

There are highly intensive breeding programmes all around the world where
the productivity and efficacy of the lines are being tweaked
High on the agenda at the moment are, for instance:

- improving shell quality because there is too high a percentage of eggs
having to go into the non-shell sector due to cracking and too high a
percentage of egg peritonitis before they are spent.
- bringing start of lay ever earlier - they have some strains that will
start at 15 weeks old but its not stable yet
- feed efficiency -- laying more but eating less, and also laying well on
cheaper feeds.

In different parts of the world there will be programmes to cope with
climate problems and the feed that they can get. Although the world wide
shipping of most basic constituents means that much of this is similar
around the globe. China is becoming increasingly dominant in their import of
all feedstuffs.

To achieve their aims there are millions of birds kept as great great
grandparent stocks from which they hope to breed gems of genetics, depending
on what they are looking for. These GGGrandparents are not a pure breed
either but will resemble more RIR type stocks or Leghorn type stocks.
Pure breed stock may be added to small flocks to inject certain features --
like improved shell quality.
A trace of this genetics is then put into the next generation and so on down
the line until you have the parent stocks which are still the athletes but
with the new improved feature in their system

[very oversimplified Wink]

Things like the Black Sex link or the Red Sex link are crosses of production
strains of pure breeds.
Dr. Gregory Martin
Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2007 12:39 pm
Guest
The short answer is of course there is some RIR or other colored birds
crossed in to tint the eggs enough to be called "brown". Upon further
inspection their down feathers will appear white, denoting their true
lineage to the Leghorn strains.

Gregory Martin


"a_l_p" <hay_hell_pea@eyehug.co.nz> wrote in message
news:eoq1c7$grr$1@lust.ihug.co.nz...
Quote:
Jill, that's SO much more, and so much more interesting, than either of us
could have imagined! Thanks you very much!

A L P


Jill wrote:
a_l_p wrote:

A friend sent me the following query. I looked blankly at the screen
for an instant and then the answer - well, the route to the answer -
came to me: sci.agriculture.poultry!


"Do you know what cross it is to produce either, Highline, ross brown
or a brown shaver chook?. they are all very similar. Identical in
fact. A guy I know thinks it is a Leghorn rooster over a rhode island
red. or is it the other way," enquired my friend.


They are a VERY long way from being any direct cross of anything now.
In the 1950's when the demand for eggs worldwide rose steeply after the
wars and the general health of the national commercial mostly ranging
flocks was very very poor indeed, the industry took themselves in hand
In all the strong breeding countries the same things happen -- the egg
industry has been global for over 100 years and there was much to be
shared.
The best birds from the available flocks were brought indoors to vast
breeding centres.
In this way the maximum output of the birds could be produced but more
importantly their health could be controlled very effectively.

First of all birds were tested for the major problems of the time --
salmonellaa, mycoplasmas etc.
Carriers were culled.

Then the productivity of the birds were tested.
The worst were culled

Then the breeding started in earnest. In the mix would have been
predominantly RIR and Leghorns as they were the predominant commercial
breed before.
Millions of birds were bred and over the next 10 years the various lines
were developed
This continues to this day

There are highly intensive breeding programmes all around the world where
the productivity and efficacy of the lines are being tweaked
High on the agenda at the moment are, for instance:

- improving shell quality because there is too high a percentage of eggs
having to go into the non-shell sector due to cracking and too high a
percentage of egg peritonitis before they are spent.
- bringing start of lay ever earlier - they have some strains that will
start at 15 weeks old but its not stable yet
- feed efficiency -- laying more but eating less, and also laying well
on cheaper feeds.

In different parts of the world there will be programmes to cope with
climate problems and the feed that they can get. Although the world wide
shipping of most basic constituents means that much of this is similar
around the globe. China is becoming increasingly dominant in their import
of all feedstuffs.

To achieve their aims there are millions of birds kept as great great
grandparent stocks from which they hope to breed gems of genetics,
depending on what they are looking for. These GGGrandparents are not a
pure breed either but will resemble more RIR type stocks or Leghorn type
stocks.
Pure breed stock may be added to small flocks to inject certain
features -- like improved shell quality.
A trace of this genetics is then put into the next generation and so on
down the line until you have the parent stocks which are still the
athletes but with the new improved feature in their system

[very oversimplified Wink]

Things like the Black Sex link or the Red Sex link are crosses of
production strains of pure breeds.
Jill
Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2007 1:15 pm
Guest
Dr. Gregory Martin wrote:
Quote:
The short answer is of course there is some RIR or other colored birds
crossed in to tint the eggs enough to be called "brown". Upon further
inspection their down feathers will appear white, denoting their true
lineage to the Leghorn strains.

Gregory Martin

Their "true" lineage depends VERY much on which hatchery they started.
And probably that is only information one could find in the depths of the
annals of the companies that went on to become the major multinationals
And I know from those who worked in the breeding units of the time that vast
quantities of the records have long since been destroyed / dumped
So no one could prove it either way now

Different lines are more or less brown. In the UK since this time the
preference has been for Brown over White and its much much darker than a
"tint"

--

regards
Jill Bowis

Pure bred utility chickens and ducks
Housing; Equipment, Books, Videos, Gifts
Herbaceous; Herb and Alpine nursery
Working Holidays in Scotland
http://www.kintaline.co.uk
 
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