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Posted: Wed Dec 20, 2006 11:23 pm |
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"Jill" <news@NOSPAMkintaline.co.uk> wrote in message
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Quote: The chances are that its been "brewing" for months but became really
obvious as the scales of the legs lifted.
i must say i had wondered. would there have been the odd stray mite egg left
in the chook house or yard, & it's happened that way?
Quote: Once this happens then the result you have seen - scales falling off- can
occur one treatment.
Keep them in very clean house and run and treat all the birds as many more
times as you can over the next few weeks to make sure that ALL the mites
and emerging mites are dealt with.
oh good. i am cleaning their house as much as i can. gah, it's just dreadful
though. i feel like a slum landlord ;-)
Quote: Welcome -- crumbs, we are getting some great new Aussies here - can you
please export some of your warm dry up here and we will send you some of
our cold rain !
i would be happy to! (i don't suppose you could supply warm rain instead,
could you?) we got 19mm in 24 hours recently, it was just heavenly. lo, 4
days later i'm back to having to water the garden. sigh!
Quote: Get a chunky cockerel - like Susssex or Plymouth Rock or Australorp - and
then keep the girls you have now and use them to raise your table birds
You want to put birds in the pot before they are 18 weeks old preferably
to get really tender meat
So keeping your game girls is the right thing to do !
we'd love a rooster one day (i'm just not ready for that yet...). one
problem is that, er, nobody wants to be the one to Do The Deed on the
edibles. we'll have to sort that out. i volunteered to pluck it, but i'm
just not good about killing stuff. pathetic, is it not?
should we plan for a "chunky" one so the babies will be good-sized? i must
admit, _eating_ a game hen strikes me as barely worth the bother ;-)
Quote: see above -- you may have found your impetus!
indeed!! it's next on my list, now. i'm appalled that the ladies are living
in such squalor that they are buggy.
thanks!
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Posted: Wed Dec 20, 2006 11:23 pm |
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"Ginny" <glvl88REMOVETHIS@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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Quote: As soon as possible put in new perches if nothing else and considering
your location I'd use steel pipe, rod or square.
that's an idea - although we get rather cold winters. in their new house(s),
i am making them off the ground on wee stilts, with termite-blocking on the
ground, so the house will be immune to termites. (famous last words). i have
also heard about putting on boiled linseed oil on the perches for bugs...(?)
i shall have to get some stuff for the perches tomorrow as well, although
see below.
If not possible, paint
Quote: your wood perches with something oily (kero?)in the mean time as we find
the perch they roost on at night is our main source of re-infestation. I
use steel because it doesn't get cold enough here to cause problems like
it would in the northern hemisphere as well as being parasite proof. If I
get parasites in their shed I let them out and either spray it with
insecticide or burn it with the weed burner.
i threw about so much chicken ddt (as we have been calling it that i ran
out (although all the chickens got a good dusting & the house a reasonable
dusting before that happened), & my new order is coming tomorrow. i do hope
it was enough, but like i said, with the crap house, there must be many
hidey-holes. is their yard (quite large) suspect too???
ALSO, two of my hens are in the habit of sleeping in the nesting boxes, and
i suspect this doesn't help (as one is isabella with the scaly legs, and the
other is bunce with possible scaly legs, and lice on her bottom).
I love fire for sterilizing
Quote: everything (I think its the pyromaniac coming out in me <g>). In autumn or
winter of course, not now or that bonfire Jill mentioned would cover half
the state in a short time.
So have you planned your new shed yet?
it's not merely a shed - it's a Total Hen System <g>
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| Jill |
Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 4:26 am |
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Quote: "Jill" <news@NOSPAMkintaline.co.uk> wrote in message
news:45841e06$0$8714$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader02.plus.net...
The chances are that its been "brewing" for months but became really
obvious as the scales of the legs lifted.
i must say i had wondered. would there have been the odd stray mite
egg left in the chook house or yard, & it's happened that way?
They can last for a LONG time
Also the wild bird population will have been mingling with the previous
occupations and there is support for the idea that they can be vectors for
mites
Quote:
Once this happens then the result you have seen - scales falling
off- can occur one treatment.
Keep them in very clean house and run and treat all the birds as
many more times as you can over the next few weeks to make sure that
ALL the mites and emerging mites are dealt with.
oh good. i am cleaning their house as much as i can. gah, it's just
dreadful though. i feel like a slum landlord
What are you cleaning with ?
Something like Poultry Shield is a good idea
I don't know what you have available to you
Maybe some of the othre Aussies will have some ideas
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Welcome -- crumbs, we are getting some great new Aussies here - can
you please export some of your warm dry up here and we will send you
some of our cold rain !
i would be happy to! (i don't suppose you could supply warm rain
instead, could you?)
LOL!!
fussy huh!
Quote: we got 19mm in 24 hours recently, it was just
heavenly. lo, 4 days later i'm back to having to water the garden.
sigh!
Get a chunky cockerel - like Susssex or Plymouth Rock or Australorp
- and then keep the girls you have now and use them to raise your
table birds You want to put birds in the pot before they are 18
weeks old preferably to get really tender meat
So keeping your game girls is the right thing to do !
we'd love a rooster one day (i'm just not ready for that yet...). one
problem is that, er, nobody wants to be the one to Do The Deed on the
edibles. we'll have to sort that out. i volunteered to pluck it, but
i'm just not good about killing stuff. pathetic, is it not?
Plucking is a pain -- skin instead, its much easier. Most of the time we all
want the meat not the bird anyway
Quote:
should we plan for a "chunky" one so the babies will be good-sized? i
must admit, _eating_ a game hen strikes me as barely worth the bother
Ahh - what sort of Game bird have you got?
I was thinking more along the lines of Indian / Cornish Game - they are more
like walking tables
http://www.feathersite.com/Poultry/CGA/Cornish/BRKCornish.html
If you are talking about Modern Game
http://www.feathersite.com/Poultry/Games/Mods/BRKModerns.html
then - yes -- you would expend more calories plucking the thing than eating
it !!!!
Quote:
see above -- you may have found your impetus!
indeed!! it's next on my list, now. i'm appalled that the ladies are
living in such squalor that they are buggy.
Don't be hard on yourself -- you are far from alone in this
--
regards
Jill Bowis
Pure bred utility chickens and ducks
Housing; Equipment, Books, Videos, Gifts
Herbaceous; Herb and Alpine nursery
Working Holidays in Scotland
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Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 12:02 pm |
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Quote: "Ginny" <glvl88REMOVETHIS@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:4585e27e@quokka.wn.com.au...
As soon as possible put in new perches if nothing else and considering
your location I'd use steel pipe, rod or square.
that's an idea - although we get rather cold winters. in their new
house(s), i am making them off the ground on wee stilts, with
termite-blocking on the ground, so the house will be immune to termites.
(famous last words). i have also heard about putting on boiled linseed oil
on the perches for bugs...(?) i shall have to get some stuff for the
perches tomorrow as well, although see below.
We use tree branches. Very cheap to replace if there's a problem, and good
on the chickens' feet.
HTH;
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Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 12:09 pm |
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Amy Blankenship wrote:
Quote: We use tree branches. Very cheap to replace if there's a problem,
and good on the chickens' feet.
They are great but just while the OP is trying to get rid of a mite
infection possibly not wise as the branch might just give the mites
somewhere else to hole up :~(
--
regards
Jill Bowis
Pure bred utility chickens and ducks
Housing; Equipment, Books, Videos, Gifts
Herbaceous; Herb and Alpine nursery
Working Holidays in Scotland
http://www.kintaline.co.uk |
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Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 12:55 pm |
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Replace frequently?
"Jill" <news@NOSPAMkintaline.co.uk> wrote in message
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Quote: Amy Blankenship wrote:
We use tree branches. Very cheap to replace if there's a problem,
and good on the chickens' feet.
They are great but just while the OP is trying to get rid of a mite
infection possibly not wise as the branch might just give the mites
somewhere else to hole up :~(
--
regards
Jill Bowis
Pure bred utility chickens and ducks
Housing; Equipment, Books, Videos, Gifts
Herbaceous; Herb and Alpine nursery
Working Holidays in Scotland
http://www.kintaline.co.uk
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Posted: Fri Dec 22, 2006 7:00 am |
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"Jill" <news@NOSPAMkintaline.co.uk> wrote in message
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Quote: They can last for a LONG time
Also the wild bird population will have been mingling with the previous
occupations and there is support for the idea that they can be vectors for
mites
we are inundated with wildlife here, & one thing that annoys both the
chickens and me is the parrots breaking in. so, probably. (this is yet
another reason i'm looking forward to the new set up - the old one has trees
within the yard, & the netting over the top therefore must go around the
trees, but there's no way to really seal it off properly. and leaves & twigs
fall over the top, which is a fire hazard should a bushfire come our way.
anyway, enough about that.
Quote: oh good. i am cleaning their house as much as i can. gah, it's just
dreadful though. i feel like a slum landlord ;-)
What are you cleaning with ?
the floor is earth, so beyond scrubbing walls etc, dusting chicken ddt
about, & replacing the straw in the house with neurotic frequency (which is
actually fine, as i'm composting the pooey straw for my garden) i'm not sure
there's much else i can do. i've been checking the roosts after dark/in the
morning but not found any mites.
Quote: Something like Poultry Shield is a good idea
what is that?
Quote: Plucking is a pain -- skin instead, its much easier. (snip)
now there's an idea! the first problem (killing one) isn't going to go away,
but at least there's a quick feather-removal method at my disposal (should
the first problem ever be overcome, that is)!
they're not modern games, but, i cannot work out what they are. at the
auction when dh was told, he heard either "english" or "indian" but promptly
forgot anyway they don't weigh much & they keep themselves trim, but
have the same shape as the cornish there. otoh, two of my isas are giants
among chickens, & would make any other chook look pretty small in
comparison, so there's that.
Quote: Don't be hard on yourself -- you are far from alone in this
thanks jill.
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Posted: Fri Dec 22, 2006 7:07 am |
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0tterbot wrote:
Quote: "Jill" <news@NOSPAMkintaline.co.uk> wrote in message
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They can last for a LONG time
Also the wild bird population will have been mingling with the
previous occupations and there is support for the idea that they can
be vectors for mites
we are inundated with wildlife here, & one thing that annoys both the
chickens and me is the parrots breaking in. so, probably. (this is yet
another reason i'm looking forward to the new set up - the old one
has trees within the yard, & the netting over the top therefore must
go around the trees, but there's no way to really seal it off
properly. and leaves & twigs fall over the top, which is a fire
hazard should a bushfire come our way. anyway, enough about that.
Its virtually impossible to secure birds from the wild population if they
are ranging and thats fine
Once you have dealt with the house and the birds you will just need to be a
bit vigilant but otherwise they should be fine
Quote:
oh good. i am cleaning their house as much as i can. gah, it's just
dreadful though. i feel like a slum landlord ;-)
What are you cleaning with ?
the floor is earth, so beyond scrubbing walls etc, dusting chicken ddt
about, & replacing the straw in the house with neurotic frequency
(which is actually fine, as i'm composting the pooey straw for my
garden) i'm not sure there's much else i can do. i've been checking
the roosts after dark/in the morning but not found any mites.
You are doing great -- keep treating the birds with the vaseline until their
legs recover and you have the new set up
Quote:
Something like Poultry Shield is a good idea
what is that?
Its a natural desiccant which kills bugs :~)
Quote:
Plucking is a pain -- skin instead, its much easier. (snip)
now there's an idea! the first problem (killing one) isn't going to
go away, but at least there's a quick feather-removal method at my
disposal (should the first problem ever be overcome, that is)!
Cut down the keel with a sharp knife
Peel the skin back
Remove the breast meat, taking care not to puncture the internal cavity
Remove the leg meat
Wings are usually not worth the bother in small birds
Dump the rest
Every so often do one properly for soup stock !!
Quote:
should we plan for a "chunky" one so the babies will be good-sized?
i must admit, _eating_ a game hen strikes me as barely worth the
bother ;-)
Ahh - what sort of Game bird have you got?
I was thinking more along the lines of Indian / Cornish Game - they
are more like walking tables
http://www.feathersite.com/Poultry/CGA/Cornish/BRKCornish.html
If you are talking about Modern Game
http://www.feathersite.com/Poultry/Games/Mods/BRKModerns.html
then - yes -- you would expend more calories plucking the thing than
eating it !!!!
they're not modern games, but, i cannot work out what they are. at the
auction when dh was told, he heard either "english" or "indian" but
promptly forgot anyway  they don't weigh much & they keep
themselves trim, but have the same shape as the cornish there. otoh,
two of my isas are giants among chickens, & would make any other
chook look pretty small in comparison, so there's that.
Urm - Indian Game should make your ISA's puny <grin>
Are they bantams?
--
regards
Jill Bowis
Pure bred utility chickens and ducks
Housing; Equipment, Books, Videos, Gifts
Herbaceous; Herb and Alpine nursery
Working Holidays in Scotland
http://www.kintaline.co.uk |
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"Jill" <news@NOSPAMkintaline.co.uk> wrote in message
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Quote: the floor is earth, so beyond scrubbing walls etc, dusting chicken ddt
about, & replacing the straw in the house with neurotic frequency
(which is actually fine, as i'm composting the pooey straw for my
garden) i'm not sure there's much else i can do. i've been checking
the roosts after dark/in the morning but not found any mites.
You are doing great -- keep treating the birds with the vaseline until
their legs recover and you have the new set up
the birds no like vaseline treatment <g>. (well, too bad!! actually, it's
not the vaseline, of course, it's being treated. now when they see my dh,
they run away screaming. i make him play "bad cop" <g>) all legs are good
bar two of them - i had suspected 3 so that's not bad. all bottom-lice have
gone from boggis & bunce, too. (i'm not sure anything survives this chicken
ddt - i'm a bit worried...)
Quote: Urm - Indian Game should make your ISA's puny <grin
Are they bantams?
no, bigger than bantams & not so "decorative", & definitely bigger eggs,
about 55g-odd . (and definitely far too excitable). definitely
game-shaped like the cornish in your link (wide-set legs, etc). i have
looked at quite a few sites & not seen anything exactly like them, so i gave
up. they are probably 30-35cm (or perhaps 40cm?) tall (ground level to
head). they all have speckled gold-and-dark brown necks. most of them have
grey underfeathers & brownish-goldish feathers (quite dark), and one has the
same neck colours as the others but a powder-grey body. all have grey legs.
perhaps the person said "english". perhaps the person was just making
something up
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