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| daz33@blueyonder.co.uk |
Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 5:41 am |
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hi can anyone help me.some one told me that i need to get permission to
keep my two chickens and two ducks in my back garden these are pets
only the eggs i get are for my kids to eat the food is keep in
containers and the area they live in is keeped clean thanks for your
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| Jill |
Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 5:56 am |
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daz33@blueyonder.co.uk wrote:
Quote: hi can anyone help me.some one told me that i need to get permission to
keep my two chickens and two ducks in my back garden these are pets
only the eggs i get are for my kids to eat the food is keep in
containers and the area they live in is keeped clean thanks for your
help.
I am assuming from your email address that you are in the UK
In the main - no, you don't need permission to keep birds
However, until recently councils were much less relaxed about things
and would enforce the local bylaws which frequently prevent poultry
being kept in residential areas
Nowadays the hobby is so popular that these laws are only brought into
play if the poultry keeping is creating a nuisance -- lots of cockerels
or bad manangement for instance
However if you are on a private estate or such like then there may be
other restrictions on you that no-one here would be able to tell you
Look at the deeds of your house or your rental agreement or such like
to confirm things for your own circumstances.
Bear in mind that ducks will make a considerably greater mess and
require fresh, preferably flowing, water daily - to provide this in
other means than natural supply requires a great deal more commitment
to their daily management.
Otherwise -- enjoy and share your news with the group
Jill |
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| Mary Fisher |
Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 1:36 pm |
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"Christina Websell" <spamfree@tinawebsell.wanadoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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daz33@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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hi can anyone help me.some one told me that i need to get permission to
keep my two chickens and two ducks in my back garden these are pets
only the eggs i get are for my kids to eat the food is keep in
containers and the area they live in is keeped clean thanks for your
help.
I depends whether the house is your own or not. If you live in a council
house, yes, normally you will have to get permission from the council. If
privately rented, the landlord.
If the house is your own you need to get sight of the deeds (ask your
mortgage lender if you still have outstanding mortgage to pay.) Some
deeds specifically exclude permission to keep poultry and/or pigeons,
especially newer houses without much ground.
I am lucky as I have an older house (30's) and my deeds state that I can
even keep pigs, as long as they are 75 yards from the road, which I could
comply with easily if I wanted pigs.
This is not to say that I am allowed to do "anything." I am forbidden
from being "a fellmonger, a manure merchant or a tallow candle maker by
way of business."
grin
HTH
Tina
Oo-er - I make tallow candles - honestly!
Even if there are no apparent restrictions in deeds, covenant, by-laws or
whatever, if neighbours complain about the nuisance you could be on a sticky
wicket.
I'd say try it, but don't increase the flock until you've tested the
neighbours' water. As it were :-)
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Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 2:12 pm |
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Christina Websell wrote:
Quote: I am lucky as I have an older house (30's) and my deeds state that I can
even keep pigs, as long as they are 75 yards from the road, which I could
comply with easily if I wanted pigs.
Some of the local restrictions on deeds go back to the Enclosure Act
<grin>
Jill |
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| Jill |
Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 3:59 pm |
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| Christina Websell |
Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2006 1:05 pm |
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<daz33@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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Christina Websell wrote:
daz33@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1160476876.288581.166540@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
hi can anyone help me.some one told me that i need to get permission to
keep my two chickens and two ducks in my back garden these are pets
only the eggs i get are for my kids to eat the food is keep in
containers and the area they live in is keeped clean thanks for your
help.
I depends whether the house is your own or not. If you live in a council
house, yes, normally you will have to get permission from the council.
If
privately rented, the landlord.
If the house is your own you need to get sight of the deeds (ask your
mortgage lender if you still have outstanding mortgage to pay.) Some
deeds
specifically exclude permission to keep poultry and/or pigeons,
especially
newer houses without much ground.
I am lucky as I have an older house (30's) and my deeds state that I can
even keep pigs, as long as they are 75 yards from the road, which I could
comply with easily if I wanted pigs.
This is not to say that I am allowed to do "anything." I am forbidden
from
being "a fellmonger, a manure merchant or a tallow candle maker by way of
business."
grin
HTH
Tina hi tina my house is mine its not council would i beable to ask over
the phone as the solicitor has the deeds thanks fro your help from lisa.
Have you only recently bought the house then? If not, the solicitor should
not have the deeds, they should be with the bank/building who financed your
mortgage. They keep them in strongroom safes and usually charge a small fee
for having to get them out as it seems to be a bit of trouble.
I had occasion to need some info from mine once to establish whether
responsibility for fencing a particular side lay with me or the neighbour.
I told them what I needed and they photocopied the relevant part and sent it
to me.
I would start by phoning your lender.
Tina
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| Jill |
Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2006 1:51 pm |
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daz33@blueyonder.co.uk wrote:
Quote: Even if there are no apparent restrictions in deeds, covenant,
by-laws or whatever, if neighbours complain about the nuisance you
could be on a sticky wicket.
But they have to prove a legal nuisance in that case and that usually
means bad [read appalling] management.
Nuisance would be noise, smell, vermin, animal welfare etc.
Jill hi jill well theres nothink to worry about there as i clean
them in the morning and at night and wash the area down also i have
a net which goes around the top of the fence keeps the flys away and
stops the chickens flying over next door .
Yes -- I was talking in the hypothetical <grin>
Do they have access to the rest of your garden too?
--
regards
Jill Bowis
Pure bred utility chickens and ducks
Housing; Equipment, Books, Videos, Gifts
Herbaceous; Herb and Alpine nursery
Working Holidays in Scotland
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| Christina Websell |
Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2006 3:19 pm |
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<daz33@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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Quote: hi tina my house is mine its not council would i beable to ask over
the phone as the solicitor has the deeds thanks fro your help from
lisa.
Have you only recently bought the house then? If not, the solicitor
should
not have the deeds, they should be with the bank/building who financed
your
mortgage. They keep them in strongroom safes and usually charge a small
fee
for having to get them out as it seems to be a bit of trouble.
I had occasion to need some info from mine once to establish whether
responsibility for fencing a particular side lay with me or the
neighbour.
I told them what I needed and they photocopied the relevant part and sent
it
to me.
I would start by phoning your lender.
Tina
hi tina we bought the house about three years ago and the solicitor has
the deeds ive rang her and she is going to ring me back but i dont no if
she will charge me we will see.
Unless your solicitor actually lent you the money to buy the house, once the
transaction is over the deeds should be sent to your mortgage lender for
safe keeping. Unless things have changed a lot since I bought a house!
I can't see any way that your deeds should still be with the solicitor after
3 years. I would question that with her and ask why she still has them. It
sounds unprofessional to me. What if that firm of solicitors went out of
business or their premises burnt down?
Deeds are precious things and should be kept very safely with your mortgage
lender. It is they who stand to lose if you default, and it is actually
their house until you pay it off. That's why they should have the deeds.
I have now paid off my mortgage and my home is mine now. I could have had
the deeds sent to me but I chose to have the building society keep them in
their metal whatsits, for which I pay a very small yearly charge. I now
have a copy of them, that is enough for me.
Tina |
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| enigma |
Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2006 1:38 am |
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"Farm1" <please@askifyouwannaknow> wrote in
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Quote: "Mary Fisher" <mary.fisher@zetnet.co.uk> wrote in message
Oo-er - I make tallow candles - honestly!
What is tallow these days? It used to be sheep fat but
don't know if that is still the definition.
i thought it could be sheep or beef... but i'm in the US, so
using beef fat might be an American colonial thing.
most candles made here now are paraffin wax or soy oil.
specialty candles are beeswax or bayberry. i've made bayberry.
smells wonderful, but you need to pick pounds of tiny little
berries to get there.
lee
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| David Hare-Scott |
Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2006 3:12 am |
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<daz33@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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Quote: hi can anyone help me.some one told me that i need to get permission to
keep my two chickens and two ducks in my back garden these are pets
only the eggs i get are for my kids to eat the food is keep in
containers and the area they live in is keeped clean thanks for your
help.
Could I suggest that instead of asking people all around the world whose
council is different from yours you might ask your council. It's only a
phone call away.
David |
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Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2006 3:17 am |
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Christina Websell <spamfree@tinawebsell.wanadoo.co.uk> wrote:
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Deeds are precious things and should be kept very safely with your mortgage
lender.
No longer true really, it's the records at the Land Registry which
ultimately define who owns property. Deeds are no longer proof of
ownership.
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| Farm1 |
Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2006 5:54 am |
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"Mary Fisher" <mary.fisher@zetnet.co.uk> wrote in message
Quote: Oo-er - I make tallow candles - honestly!
What is tallow these days? It used to be sheep fat but don't know if
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| Geoffrey Ritch |
Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2006 6:13 am |
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The message <4p51vkFhc6s8U1@individual.net>
from "Christina Websell" <spamfree@tinawebsell.wanadoo.co.uk> contains
these words:
Quote: Unless your solicitor actually lent you the money to buy the house,
once the
transaction is over the deeds should be sent to your mortgage lender for
safe keeping. Unless things have changed a lot since I bought a house!
I can't see any way that your deeds should still be with the solicitor
after
3 years. I would question that with her and ask why she still has
them. It
sounds unprofessional to me. What if that firm of solicitors went out of
business or their premises burnt down?
Deeds are precious things and should be kept very safely with your mortgage
lender. It is they who stand to lose if you default, and it is actually
their house until you pay it off. That's why they should have the deeds.
I have now paid off my mortgage and my home is mine now. I could have had
the deeds sent to me but I chose to have the building society keep them in
their metal whatsits, for which I pay a very small yearly charge. I now
have a copy of them, that is enough for me.
Tina
Perhaps the house is paid for, (no mortgage), and they chose to store
the deeds in the solicitors safe. |
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| Farm1 |
Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2006 6:43 am |
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"enigma" <enigma@empire.net> wrote in message
Quote: "Farm1" <please@askifyouwannaknow> wrote in
"Mary Fisher" <mary.fisher@zetnet.co.uk> wrote in message
Oo-er - I make tallow candles - honestly!
What is tallow these days? It used to be sheep fat but
don't know if that is still the definition.
i thought it could be sheep or beef... but i'm in the US, so
using beef fat might be an American colonial thing.
Funny you should mention the colonial connection ) That is exactly
why I asked because as you'd know sheep and Oz are so strongly aligned
and at one stage in our history sheep were sold for tallow as they
couldn't be used for anything else. NZ and the sheep connection beats
Oz hands down )
However, I suspect that "tallow" might be a generic term for any
animal fat but I thought that Mary would know if she uses it.
Quote: most candles made here now are paraffin wax or soy oil.
specialty candles are beeswax or bayberry. i've made bayberry.
smells wonderful, but you need to pick pounds of tiny little
berries to get there.
Sounds wonderful. What is the Latin name for bayberry? I haven't
come across them before.
I love beeswax candles, but I don't use many candles at all (except
for blackouts). |
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Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2006 3:44 am |
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Mary Fisher <mary.fisher@zetnet.co.uk> wrote:
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"enigma" <enigma@empire.net> wrote in message
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I love beeswax candles, but I don't use many candles at all
(except for blackouts).
yes, that's pretty much the only time we use them too. i also
have quite a few kerosene lamps (i should get a generator).
it's very hard to find candles that aren't heavily
artificially scented here. since artificial scents are one of
the things that sets my asthma off, i avoid them.
lee
We never have power cuts so we have to turn off the lights :-)
It offends me when people ask if I make scented candles, beeswax has its own
delightful aroma. Artificial scents are awful.
Surely all scents are 'artificial' in some sense. I agree with you
that the scents (smells is what I'd called them) used in many
commercial products are thoroughly nasty but simply saying that
'artifical scents are awful' is akin to saying 'chemicals are bad'.
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