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panfilero
Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2007 12:30 am
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Hello

I need to deliver a variable current between 0-2 Amps to a small load
(15 Ohms).... At first I was thinking about building a current
amplifier..... but after investigating that route again, i think, it's
too difficult to build.

Then I heard about adjustable voltage regulators. And looking through
the datasheet of an LM117, I noticed it had a curcuit example it
called: "Precision Current Limiter" where the output current is
controlled by a potentiometer and can be varied from 0 to 1.65 Amps.

I'm not sure if this is a variable constant current source, but it
kinda sounds like it to me, is anyone familiar with this circuit?

In the "Precision Current Limiter" circuit the current is controlled
by a potentiometer, but I need to control the current with a variable
voltage (between 0 - 5 V), is there such a thing as a voltage
controlled resistor? So that I could use that in this circuit?

any help is greatly appreciated,
thank you
Joshua
jasen
Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2007 4:24 am
Guest
On 2007-01-29, panfilero <panfilero@gmail.com> wrote:
Quote:
Hello

I need to deliver a variable current between 0-2 Amps to a small load
(15 Ohms).... At first I was thinking about building a current
amplifier..... but after investigating that route again, i think, it's
too difficult to build.

Then I heard about adjustable voltage regulators. And looking through
the datasheet of an LM117, I noticed it had a curcuit example it
called: "Precision Current Limiter" where the output current is
controlled by a potentiometer and can be varied from 0 to 1.65 Amps.

I'm not sure if this is a variable constant current source, but it
kinda sounds like it to me, is anyone familiar with this circuit?

In the "Precision Current Limiter" circuit the current is controlled
by a potentiometer, but I need to control the current with a variable
voltage (between 0 - 5 V), is there such a thing as a voltage
controlled resistor? So that I could use that in this circuit?

what would happen if you connected the 0 - 5V directly to your 15 ohm load ?

"all" you need to do is scale the 0-5V up to 0 - 30V the 15 ohm resistance
will convert the voltage to 0-2 A

perhaps using a single-rail op-amp and a NPN power darlington in common
emitter configuration.

Bye.
Jasen
TimPerry
Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2007 11:04 am
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panfilero wrote:
Quote:
Hello

I need to deliver a variable current between 0-2 Amps to a small load
(15 Ohms).... At first I was thinking about building a current
amplifier..... but after investigating that route again, i think, it's
too difficult to build.

Then I heard about adjustable voltage regulators. And looking through
the datasheet of an LM117, I noticed it had a curcuit example it
called: "Precision Current Limiter" where the output current is
controlled by a potentiometer and can be varied from 0 to 1.65 Amps.

I'm not sure if this is a variable constant current source, but it
kinda sounds like it to me, is anyone familiar with this circuit?

In the "Precision Current Limiter" circuit the current is controlled
by a potentiometer, but I need to control the current with a variable
voltage (between 0 - 5 V), is there such a thing as a voltage
controlled resistor? So that I could use that in this circuit?

any help is greatly appreciated,
thank you
Joshua

you only need a constant current source if you have a varying load such as a
battery. with a fixed load a variable voltage supply will be fine .
Brian Ellis
Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2007 11:27 am
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"panfilero" <panfilero@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Quote:
Hello

I need to deliver a variable current between 0-2 Amps to a small load
(15 Ohms).... At first I was thinking about building a current
amplifier..... but after investigating that route again, i think, it's
too difficult to build.

Then I heard about adjustable voltage regulators. And looking through
the datasheet of an LM117, I noticed it had a curcuit example it
called: "Precision Current Limiter" where the output current is
controlled by a potentiometer and can be varied from 0 to 1.65 Amps.

I'm not sure if this is a variable constant current source, but it
kinda sounds like it to me, is anyone familiar with this circuit?

In the "Precision Current Limiter" circuit the current is controlled
by a potentiometer, but I need to control the current with a variable
voltage (between 0 - 5 V), is there such a thing as a voltage
controlled resistor? So that I could use that in this circuit?

any help is greatly appreciated,
thank you
Joshua


Instead of using the LM117 "Precision Current Limiter", use the LM150
"Precision Current Limiter". It goes up to 3 amps. Yes it is a variable
constant current source. You set whatever constant current you want, and as
the load varies, it will maintain that current (provided the voltage
supplying the constant current regulator is high enough).

--
Brian Ellis
FNC-Elcad
http://www.fncwired.com/
DaveM
Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2007 7:24 pm
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"Brian Ellis" <XXbellis350@comcast.net> wrote in message
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Quote:

"panfilero" <panfilero@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1170045009.073294.142060@v45g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...
Hello

I need to deliver a variable current between 0-2 Amps to a small load
(15 Ohms).... At first I was thinking about building a current
amplifier..... but after investigating that route again, i think, it's
too difficult to build.

Then I heard about adjustable voltage regulators. And looking through
the datasheet of an LM117, I noticed it had a curcuit example it
called: "Precision Current Limiter" where the output current is
controlled by a potentiometer and can be varied from 0 to 1.65 Amps.

I'm not sure if this is a variable constant current source, but it
kinda sounds like it to me, is anyone familiar with this circuit?

In the "Precision Current Limiter" circuit the current is controlled
by a potentiometer, but I need to control the current with a variable
voltage (between 0 - 5 V), is there such a thing as a voltage
controlled resistor? So that I could use that in this circuit?

any help is greatly appreciated,
thank you
Joshua


Instead of using the LM117 "Precision Current Limiter", use the LM150
"Precision Current Limiter". It goes up to 3 amps. Yes it is a variable
constant current source. You set whatever constant current you want, and as
the load varies, it will maintain that current (provided the voltage supplying
the constant current regulator is high enough).

--
Brian Ellis
FNC-Elcad
http://www.fncwired.com/


What the last poster says is true, and recommendation of the LM150/350 is good,
but in context of the original question, there are problems with this approach.
(1) The OP stated that he needed to supply a fixed resistance with 0-2 amps.
The "Precision Current Limiter will not go to zero amps. It can get close, but
never to exactly zero amps.
(2) The current limit pot that controls the current must be able to handle at
least 2 amps... not an easy task for a common potentiometer.
I suggest that the OP consider the circuit titled "Adjustable Current Regulator"
in the LM150 datasheet for full realization of his requirements. The additional
regulator and negative voltage source in that circuit lets the output current go
down to zero amps, while still giving good control up to full output current.

--
Dave M
MasonDG44 at comcast dot net (Just substitute the appropriate characters in the
address)

Some days you're the dog, some days the hydrant.
Brian Ellis
Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 1:16 am
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"DaveM" <masondg4499@comcast99.net> wrote in message
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"Brian Ellis" <XXbellis350@comcast.net> wrote in message
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"panfilero" <panfilero@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Hello

I need to deliver a variable current between 0-2 Amps to a small load
(15 Ohms).... At first I was thinking about building a current
amplifier..... but after investigating that route again, i think, it's
too difficult to build.

Then I heard about adjustable voltage regulators. And looking through
the datasheet of an LM117, I noticed it had a curcuit example it
called: "Precision Current Limiter" where the output current is
controlled by a potentiometer and can be varied from 0 to 1.65 Amps.

I'm not sure if this is a variable constant current source, but it
kinda sounds like it to me, is anyone familiar with this circuit?

In the "Precision Current Limiter" circuit the current is controlled
by a potentiometer, but I need to control the current with a variable
voltage (between 0 - 5 V), is there such a thing as a voltage
controlled resistor? So that I could use that in this circuit?

any help is greatly appreciated,
thank you
Joshua


Instead of using the LM117 "Precision Current Limiter", use the LM150
"Precision Current Limiter". It goes up to 3 amps. Yes it is a variable
constant current source. You set whatever constant current you want, and
as the load varies, it will maintain that current (provided the voltage
supplying the constant current regulator is high enough).

--
Brian Ellis
FNC-Elcad
http://www.fncwired.com/


What the last poster says is true, and recommendation of the LM150/350 is
good, but in context of the original question, there are problems with
this approach.
(1) The OP stated that he needed to supply a fixed resistance with 0-2
amps. The "Precision Current Limiter will not go to zero amps. It can get
close, but never to exactly zero amps.
(2) The current limit pot that controls the current must be able to handle
at least 2 amps... not an easy task for a common potentiometer.
I suggest that the OP consider the circuit titled "Adjustable Current
Regulator" in the LM150 datasheet for full realization of his
requirements. The additional regulator and negative voltage source in
that circuit lets the output current go down to zero amps, while still
giving good control up to full output current.

--
Dave M
MasonDG44 at comcast dot net (Just substitute the appropriate characters
in the address)

Some days you're the dog, some days the hydrant.



Very good observations, Dave. When you don't go through the numbers, it is
easy to overlook some of the details.

Item (1): That may or may not hurt the Op, based on what he is using it for.

Item (2). That would probably be a problem.

The "Adjustable Current Regulator" would be okay, if he has a negative
supply. At least according to the drawing, he would need a -5 to -10 volt
supply, too (even though a very low current negative supply). Or, am I
reading it wrong?

I drew a diagram up, look at http://www.fncwired.com/TwoAmpSupply/
jasen
Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 4:55 am
Guest
On 2007-01-29, DaveM <masondg4499@comcast99.net> wrote:
Quote:

What the last poster says is true, and recommendation of the LM150/350 is good,
but in context of the original question, there are problems with this approach.
(1) The OP stated that he needed to supply a fixed resistance with 0-2 amps.
The "Precision Current Limiter will not go to zero amps. It can get close, but
never to exactly zero amps.

IIRC he had a 0-5V input, not a pot input.

here's one way to do it using an LM350

+33.5V --[RL]----[LM350A]---[0.1]--- 0V
| 5W
|
Vin (0-5) --[2K4]---+--[100R]--- -1.3V

The silly looking 33.5V supply is needed to accomodate the 30+3+0.2V
drop under full load and stat under the 35-1.25V maximum under no load.

it works on paper with ideal parts but 1% drift in the part translates to a
6% drift in output,,,,


Bye.
Jasen
 
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