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| John Fields |
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On Fri, 26 Jan 2007 19:50:44 GMT, "Homer J Simpson"
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"John Fields" <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote in message
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Then it must be because you _want_ to.
But "Sniffing"??? Eeewwwww...
Didn't your Mom teach you how to wash?
Didn't yours teach your to that women were better for having sex with than
men?
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"Teach your to that" ??? Is that Canadian English or are you
starting to get flustered?
Actually, no. If she had, that would have made her a lesbian.
But I do think it's interesting how often you play the gay card and
how nearly all of your anecdotes and criticism involve anal
references. Kind of "Methinks the gentleman doth protest too much",
if you get my drift, Homerde.
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| Homer J Simpson |
| Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2007 7:16 pm |
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"John Fields" <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote in message
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Quote: But I do think it's interesting how often you play the gay card and
how nearly all of your anecdotes and criticism involve anal
references. Kind of "Methinks the gentleman doth protest too much",
if you get my drift, Homerde.
You started it. Can't handle the truth?
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| John Fields |
| Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2007 8:16 pm |
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On Fri, 26 Jan 2007 23:16:30 GMT, "Homer J Simpson"
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"John Fields" <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote in message
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But I do think it's interesting how often you play the gay card and
how nearly all of your anecdotes and criticism involve anal
references. Kind of "Methinks the gentleman doth protest too much",
if you get my drift, Homerde.
You started it. Can't handle the truth?
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Jack Nicholson you ain't, asshole, and here's what started it:
"DC coils are unlikely to enjoy an AC supply."
Nothing technical, no AC coil relay recommendation or even a hint as
to why "DC coils are unlikely to enjoy an AC supply.", just your
hateful, smartass answer to a non-smartass OP who was only asking
for help.
_That's_ the truth, and it seems that any time you get a chance to
help someone who asks for help, you don't. Instead, you use their
momentary position of weakness (their asking for help) to demean
them and to try to place yourself in a position of power over them.
You're not a nice person, Homer.
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| Jamie |
| Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2007 10:22 pm |
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Homer J Simpson wrote:
Quote: "John Fields" <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote in message
news:5l1kr2t0j56oet3uo9v1hsvmsf826ontfo@4ax.com...
Then it must be because you _want_ to.
But "Sniffing"??? Eeewwwww...
Didn't your Mom teach you how to wash?
Didn't yours teach your to that women were better for having sex with than
men?
All i can say is that John must of got you excited because i really
can not understand your last line! :)
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"I'm never wrong, once i thought i was, but was mistaken"
Real Programmers Do things like this.
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| Homer J Simpson |
| Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2007 11:33 pm |
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"John Fields" <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote in message
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Quote: Jack Nicholson you ain't, asshole, and here's what started it:
"DC coils are unlikely to enjoy an AC supply."
OK. You go prove that a DC coil will work fine off the 6 volt AC magneto.
I won't hold my breath.
BTW, I was having a perfectly civil conversation with JoJo, the OP, until
you decided to crap all over it and he/she left.
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| Homer J Simpson |
| Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2007 11:33 pm |
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"Jamie" <jamie_ka1lpa_not_valid_after_ka1lpa_@charter.net> wrote in message
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Quote: All i can say is that John must of got you excited because i really
can not understand your last line! 
That's OK. Fields can't figure out the difference between mean and women
either.
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| JoJo |
| Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2007 10:13 am |
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On Jan 26, 9:33 pm, "Homer J Simpson" <nob...@nowhere.com> wrote:
Quote: "John Fields" <jfie...@austininstruments.com> wrote in messagenews:hu3lr25viv5sftemciuj05lv18ej2gion5@4ax.com...
Jack Nicholson you ain't, asshole, and here's what started it:
"DC coils are unlikely to enjoy an AC supply."OK. You go prove that a DC coil will work fine off the 6 volt AC magneto.
I won't hold my breath.
BTW, I was having a perfectly civil conversation with JoJo, the OP, until
you decided to crap all over it and he/she left.
--Thanks much. I gather that the automobile 6 Volt DC relay will not function in a magneto powered 6 Volt AC system. Sorry for the trouble.
JoJo
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| John Fields |
| Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2007 3:30 pm |
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On 27 Jan 2007 06:13:10 -0800, "JoJo" <joseev@netzero.com> wrote:
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On Jan 26, 9:33 pm, "Homer J Simpson" <nob...@nowhere.com> wrote:
"John Fields" <jfie...@austininstruments.com> wrote in messagenews:hu3lr25viv5sftemciuj05lv18ej2gion5@4ax.com...
Jack Nicholson you ain't, asshole, and here's what started it:
"DC coils are unlikely to enjoy an AC supply."OK. You go prove that a DC coil will work fine off the 6 volt AC magneto.
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Boy, you're just about the dumbest piece of shit walking the planet.
The point wasn't that a DC relay won't work on AC, the point was
that the OP was looking for information, not smartass remarks
designed to make you look oh-so-superior. Had you really been
interested in helping you could have mentioned that rectifying the
output of the "magneto" would have done the trick and the DC relay
could have been used that way. As it is, you left the OP with the
sense that the only thing that would work in there was a relay with
an AC coil, which isn't true.
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Quote: I won't hold my breath.
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Please do...
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Quote: BTW, I was having a perfectly civil conversation with JoJo, the OP, until
you decided to crap all over it and he/she left.
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Wrong, asshole. Look below.
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Quote: --Thanks much. I gather that the automobile 6 Volt DC relay will not function in a magneto powered 6 Volt AC system. Sorry for the trouble.
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So are you now going to explain how to use the DC relay to JoJo or
will someone else have to while you go off and sulk?
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| Homer J Simpson |
| Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2007 3:32 pm |
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"JoJo" <joseev@netzero.com> wrote in message
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Quote: --Thanks much. I gather that the automobile 6 Volt DC relay will not
function in a magneto powered 6 Volt AC system. Sorry for the trouble.
No trouble. Yes, it's unlikely to work. The relay will probably chatter.
Most relays with a 6 VAC coil really aren't very suitable to use for this.
Can you use a heavier button and avoid the relay?
The relay doesn't really help the horn, it lets you use a smaller horn
button than you might otherwise.
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| Michael Black |
| Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2007 6:20 pm |
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"Homer J Simpson" (nobody@nowhere.com) writes:
Quote: "JoJo" <joseev@netzero.com> wrote in message
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--Thanks much. I gather that the automobile 6 Volt DC relay will not
function in a magneto powered 6 Volt AC system. Sorry for the trouble.
No trouble. Yes, it's unlikely to work. The relay will probably chatter.
Most relays with a 6 VAC coil really aren't very suitable to use for this.
ANd why does it chatter? Because the relay coil is being fed with alternating
current, causing the magnetic output of the relay coil to fluctuate, and
hence the pull of that relay coil is varying, causing the contacts of
that relay to open and close.
And, the obvious solution is a small diode and capacitor, so the relay
sees DC.
This isn't rocket science, this sort of scheme has been around for
decades. At the very least, there were all kinds of people with
surplus DC relays that they wanted to use on AC.
I'm with John, sometimes if a brief answer is all that's supplied,
one might as well not post anything.
To use another example, it's not as if people haven't heard of Ebay,
hence there is really nothing of value to simply reply "Ebay!" when
someone is looking for something. Give them a decent answer, or
at the very least say something to make their "Ebay experience" better.
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| Homer J Simpson |
| Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2007 7:06 pm |
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"Michael Black" <et472@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote in message
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Quote: ANd why does it chatter? Because the relay coil is being fed with
alternating
current, causing the magnetic output of the relay coil to fluctuate, and
hence the pull of that relay coil is varying, causing the contacts of
that relay to open and close.
And, the obvious solution is a small diode and capacitor, so the relay
sees DC.
This isn't rocket science, this sort of scheme has been around for
decades. At the very least, there were all kinds of people with
surplus DC relays that they wanted to use on AC.
I'm with John, sometimes if a brief answer is all that's supplied,
one might as well not post anything.
To use another example, it's not as if people haven't heard of Ebay,
hence there is really nothing of value to simply reply "Ebay!" when
someone is looking for something. Give them a decent answer, or
at the very least say something to make their "Ebay experience" better.
Blah, blah, blah. And no value in any of it.
Why add a relay when it isn't needed? The OP is asking reasonable questions
and needs to know why, not how. The answer, as I explained, is that it is
unlikely that a relay is needed or will help. Any horn which will run off a
magneto isn't going to need much current, so the horn button alone should
work fine. He doesn't need to build a pointlessly expensive 'solution' that
isn't solving anything.
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| contrex |
| Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2007 6:00 am |
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I don't know where you are located, but the word 'magneto' where I
come from (The UK) means a permanent magnet generator with a contact
breaker inside which only supplies the voltage for the spark. If the
current for the lighting, horn etc is also supplied it is a combined
unit often called a 'magdyno' and that output is likely to be DC. I
had a 1957 Vespa scooter like this and also a 125 cc BSA Bantam (very
like a Harley Hummer - they were both postwar copies of the same
prewar German model). You only had lights and horn when the engine was
going (no battery). Perhaps if you supplied the make and model
information? The horns as supplied were very feeble anyway and many
people bought bulb horns or ones with replacable air bottles (Fiamm
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| contrex |
| Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2007 6:03 am |
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On 28 Jan, 10:00, "contrex" <mike.j.har...@gmail.com> wrote:
Quote: current for the lighting, horn etc is also supplied it is a combined
unit often called a 'magdyno' and that output is likely to be DC.
My bad. It will be AC |
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| Homer J Simpson |
| Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2007 5:09 pm |
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"contrex" <mike.j.harvey@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Quote:
I don't know where you are located, but the word 'magneto' where I
come from (The UK) means a permanent magnet generator with a contact
breaker inside which only supplies the voltage for the spark. If the
current for the lighting, horn etc is also supplied it is a combined
unit often called a 'magdyno' and that output is likely to be (AC)
Yes. I think the OP thought a relay would 'boost' the current - it won't.
Just a button is all he will need.
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| John Fields |
| Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2007 7:14 pm |
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On Sun, 28 Jan 2007 21:09:44 GMT, "Homer J Simpson"
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"contrex" <mike.j.harvey@gmail.com> wrote in message
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I don't know where you are located, but the word 'magneto' where I
come from (The UK) means a permanent magnet generator with a contact
breaker inside which only supplies the voltage for the spark. If the
current for the lighting, horn etc is also supplied it is a combined
unit often called a 'magdyno' and that output is likely to be (AC)
Yes. I think the OP thought a relay would 'boost' the current - it won't.
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If the circuit from the source, through the relay, into the horn,
and back to the source will have less resistance than the circuit
from the source, through the switch, into the horn, and back to the
source, then there will be a current boost. Relays have gain
y'know. Well, I guess you didn't...
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Quote: Just a button is all he will need.
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You know nothing about the button or the horn and yet you feel
comfortable making a statement like that?
If that's typical of your ilk it certainly doesn't bode well for the
Canadian automotive industry.
What is it you do, anyway, Homerde?
You've made allusions to expertise in HVAC, but when push comes to
shove you're the one who always winds up, face down, on the ground.
To elaborate: In one instance, after vociferously claiming that
putting a current transformer in the neutral leg of an AC mains
circuit is prohibited by code, you could neither cite the section of
code which prohibits it nor offer a technical explanation why it
should be prohibited.
In another, you offered "advice" about a substitution for a
centrifugal switch, which was ludicrous on its face and indicated
that you know very little about electric motors.
You're not to be trusted.
Need I go on?
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