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aj
Posted: Mon Jan 08, 2007 4:28 pm
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Just want to know why some one has not invented an electric door knob?
Bob Myers
Posted: Mon Jan 08, 2007 5:22 pm
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"aj" <myspirit2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Just want to know why some one has not invented an electric door knob?

Define "electric door knob." If you mean a door that opens
itself electrically, they're all over the place - as are security
locks which incorporate an electric release, and use a keypad
thumbprint scan, etc., for access.

Bob M.
Michael Black
Posted: Mon Jan 08, 2007 5:28 pm
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"Bob Myers" (nospamplease@address.invalid) writes:
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"aj" <myspirit2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Just want to know why some one has not invented an electric door knob?

Define "electric door knob." If you mean a door that opens
itself electrically, they're all over the place - as are security
locks which incorporate an electric release, and use a keypad
thumbprint scan, etc., for access.

If you look at his other question, which is basically the same

question but gives insight into his intent, it sure seems like
his idea of an "electric doorknob" is one that shocks people
when they touch it.

It's obvious why they've not been invented. IN order for current
to flow, you need two terminals. If the knob itself supplied
both, the current would be limited to a small area of the body. If
the knob is used as only one terminal, then some other terminal has
to be supplied, and you can' always count on having a convenient
metal surface where someone would be standing to supply that other
terminal. Also variables come into play, such as whether or not
the person is wearing shoes, or what type of shoes. An effective
"electric doorknob" requires that it be reliable, and it can't
be that if someone shows up with rubber soled shoes.

There's also the "minor" issues of what purpose this would serve.
Perhaps a deterrent, yet unless it supplies a lethal shock the person
would just use some other means of getting inside or getting the
attention of someone inside. I suppose some might see it as a gag,
though there might not be enough interest in that use to really
warrant the heavy design work.

Also the "minor" issue of liability. Too little current/voltage
wouldn't deter someone, which might bring lawsuits to the manufacturer
when people find the product doesn't work as claimed. Too much
current/voltage and it would be lethal, again bringing lawsuits, at
least to the homeowner and maybe manufactuer from the deceased relatives.

Of course, the "electric doorknob" has been invented, as anyone who's
seen one of the "Home Alone" films will know. Though technically I'm
not sure little Kevin actually created a working "electric doorknob"
even though the film showed it as working.

Michael
Bob Myers
Posted: Mon Jan 08, 2007 6:31 pm
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"Michael Black" <et472@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote in message
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Quote:
If you look at his other question, which is basically the same
question but gives insight into his intent, it sure seems like
his idea of an "electric doorknob" is one that shocks people
when they touch it.

Yeah, I was afraid that might be the case after I saw that
second post, but then I thought, "no, no one would ask a
question that was THAT stupid, would they?"

And then I remembered that this IS the internet we're talking
about here....

Bob M.
default
Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2007 9:54 am
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On 8 Jan 2007 12:28:09 -0800, "aj" <myspirit2000@hotmail.com> wrote:

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Just want to know why some one has not invented an electric door knob?

Because the present doorknob is hard to beat? Cheap, works great,
doesn't require energy - and my cat hasn't learned how to work it.


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default
Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2007 1:32 pm
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On Mon, 08 Jan 2007 22:31:34 GMT, "Bob Myers"
<nospamplease@address.invalid> wrote:

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but then I thought, "no, no one would ask a
question that was THAT stupid, would they?"


He's posting through Google Groups; that should be a clue.

A lot of the people using GG think they are using myspace or AOL
bulletin boards - Google keeps the fantasy going by providing a place
for "profiles." No concept of what Usenet is - many of them . . .

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Michael A. Terrell
Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2007 2:13 pm
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default wrote:
Quote:

On 8 Jan 2007 12:28:09 -0800, "aj" <myspirit2000@hotmail.com> wrote:

Just want to know why some one has not invented an electric door knob?

Because the present doorknob is hard to beat? Cheap, works great,
doesn't require energy - and my cat hasn't learned how to work it.


They won't figure it out. Its the dogs that are working on the
doorknob problem. (The Far Side)


--
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prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida
Michael Black
Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2007 2:50 pm
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default (default@defaulter.net) writes:
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On Mon, 08 Jan 2007 22:31:34 GMT, "Bob Myers"
nospamplease@address.invalid> wrote:

but then I thought, "no, no one would ask a
question that was THAT stupid, would they?"


He's posting through Google Groups; that should be a clue.

A lot of the people using GG think they are using myspace or AOL
bulletin boards - Google keeps the fantasy going by providing a place
for "profiles." No concept of what Usenet is - many of them . . .

We can also "rate" the post over there.


At least, there is a link to do so. I've never clicked it so I don't
know whether it really ends up rating usenet posts over at google, or
if it just applies to their local "groups".

Clearly we should be "rating" such posts, and maybe they'd learn
from it.

Michael
Jon Elson
Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2007 4:41 pm
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Michael A. Terrell wrote:

Quote:
default wrote:


On 8 Jan 2007 12:28:09 -0800, "aj" <myspirit2000@hotmail.com> wrote:



Just want to know why some one has not invented an electric door knob?


Because the present doorknob is hard to beat? Cheap, works great,
doesn't require energy - and my cat hasn't learned how to work it.




They won't figure it out. Its the dogs that are working on the
doorknob problem. (The Far Side)




Too late, by decades. I know of several people who had dogs who figured out

doorknobs, and got out regularly. They had to put separate deadbolts high
up on the door to defeat the dog.

Jon
CWatters
Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2007 4:52 pm
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"Bob Myers" <nospamplease@address.invalid> wrote in message
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"Michael Black" <et472@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote in message
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If you look at his other question, which is basically the same
question but gives insight into his intent, it sure seems like
his idea of an "electric doorknob" is one that shocks people
when they touch it.

Yeah, I was afraid that might be the case after I saw that
second post, but then I thought, "no, no one would ask a
question that was THAT stupid, would they?"

See also the thread "Someone keeps getting into my house through the
electric grarage door, how
can this happen?" by same OP.
Michael A. Terrell
Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2007 5:26 pm
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Jon Elson wrote:
Quote:

Michael A. Terrell wrote:

default wrote:


On 8 Jan 2007 12:28:09 -0800, "aj" <myspirit2000@hotmail.com> wrote:



Just want to know why some one has not invented an electric door knob?


Because the present doorknob is hard to beat? Cheap, works great,
doesn't require energy - and my cat hasn't learned how to work it.




They won't figure it out. Its the dogs that are working on the
doorknob problem. (The Far Side)




Too late, by decades. I know of several people who had dogs who figured out
doorknobs, and got out regularly. They had to put separate deadbolts high
up on the door to defeat the dog.

Jon


Those are the dog scientists. Now they are working to refine the
process so that any dog can do it.


--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida
default
Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2007 8:45 pm
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On Tue, 09 Jan 2007 18:13:00 GMT, "Michael A. Terrell"
<mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:

Quote:

They won't figure it out. Its the dogs that are working on the
doorknob problem. (The Far Side)

I think she's got the mechanics figured out, just isn't equipped for
turning it and hasn't found a tool to do it.

Smart cat. She'd chase string as a kitten. I'd get tired of the game
before she did and toss the string away. She'd fetch it then drop it
in my lap and proceed to attack it. I'd toss it away and that became
the new game. I figured to spoof her and pretended to toss the
string. She looked confused for a second then picked up an imaginary
string dropped it in my lap and attacked it. So I did it again to see
if she understood - she attacked a second imaginary string.

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Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2007 9:04 pm
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On 9 Jan 2007 18:50:29 GMT, et472@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Michael Black)
wrote:

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We can also "rate" the post over there.

At least, there is a link to do so. I've never clicked it so I don't
know whether it really ends up rating usenet posts over at google, or
if it just applies to their local "groups".

Clearly we should be "rating" such posts, and maybe they'd learn
from it.

Michael

I don't know if it is worth the effort - through google. Then I'd be
playing their game - adding legitimacy to Google Groups.

From the lack of replies by the original posters, one wonders if they
even know which groups they are posting to.

They'd probably require an "account" and they are in the advertising
and data mining business. Google is in a good position to acquire too
much personal information already IMHO.


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Guest
Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2007 8:19 pm
humans dont have ALL the intelligence yet.

i hope they never do.

"default" <default@defaulter.net> wrote in message
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On Tue, 09 Jan 2007 18:13:00 GMT, "Michael A. Terrell"
mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:


They won't figure it out. Its the dogs that are working on the
doorknob problem. (The Far Side)

I think she's got the mechanics figured out, just isn't equipped for
turning it and hasn't found a tool to do it.

Smart cat. She'd chase string as a kitten. I'd get tired of the game
before she did and toss the string away. She'd fetch it then drop it
in my lap and proceed to attack it. I'd toss it away and that became
the new game. I figured to spoof her and pretended to toss the
string. She looked confused for a second then picked up an imaginary
string dropped it in my lap and attacked it. So I did it again to see
if she understood - she attacked a second imaginary string.

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Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 1:26 pm
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On Thu, 01 Feb 2007 00:19:43 GMT, <hapticz@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

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humans dont have ALL the intelligence yet.

i hope they never do.

I know.

Look how we attempt to dominate the planet without regard to the
ecology we depend on - seems like it takes intelligence to do
something incredibly stupid. Or to place oneself in a position to be
incredibly stupid.
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