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DeanB
Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2006 12:35 am
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Because I have 900 of them on my tree and they are quite bright!
John
Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2006 1:39 am
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On 29 Nov 2006 20:35:58 -0800, "DeanB" <deanbrown3d@yahoo.com> wrote:

Quote:
Because I have 900 of them on my tree and they are quite bright!

That depends on how they are wired.

If a transformer is used, then you could use an adjustable transformer
(Variac) to reduce the voltage to the transformer.

If a transformer is not used, you could use a standard light dimmer -
check the combined wattage of your lights to get the proper capacity
dimmer.

Note that standard light dimmers will NOT work with transformer
powered lights (or not for very long...

John
Homer J Simpson
Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2006 2:34 am
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"DeanB" <deanbrown3d@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Quote:
Because I have 900 of them on my tree and they are quite bright!

You could cycle each set for lower power and a twinkle effect.
DeanB
Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2006 10:58 am
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John wrote:
Quote:
On 29 Nov 2006 20:35:58 -0800, "DeanB" <deanbrown3d@yahoo.com> wrote:

Because I have 900 of them on my tree and they are quite bright!

That depends on how they are wired.

If a transformer is used, then you could use an adjustable transformer
(Variac) to reduce the voltage to the transformer.

If a transformer is not used, you could use a standard light dimmer -
check the combined wattage of your lights to get the proper capacity
dimmer.

Note that standard light dimmers will NOT work with transformer
powered lights (or not for very long...

John

I know they are 4V per bulb. If I take out one bulb, then all of them
go out so I assume they are in series and not in parallel. I can't see
any transformer.
Bob Engelhardt
Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2006 12:51 pm
Guest
LED's are binary devices - either ON or OFF. They cannot be dimmed in
the usual sense. Their average output can be changed by the duty cycle.
If they are switched on & off fast enough, the eye will not see them
flickering, but will see a lower average output. I.e., dimmer.

A 60 Hz cycle would be flicker-free and there is a convenient 60 Hz
signal source Cool. There may or may not be a commercially available
black box to do this. It would be trivial for an electronics hobbiest,
but my guess is that you are not one.

HTH,
Bob
Pete Wilcox
Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2006 1:21 pm
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On Thu, 30 Nov 2006, Bob Engelhardt wrote:

Quote:
It would be trivial for an electronics hobbiest, but my guess is that
you are not one.

Hobby, hobbier, hobbiest. ITYM hobbyist, but you may well be right, he

doesn't seem to be the hobbiest of them all!

Cheers,
Pete.
Bob Minchin
Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2006 1:28 pm
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"Bob Engelhardt" <bobengelhardt@comcast.net> wrote in message
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Quote:
LED's are binary devices - either ON or OFF. They cannot be dimmed in
the usual sense. Their average output can be changed by the duty cycle.
If they are switched on & off fast enough, the eye will not see them
flickering, but will see a lower average output. I.e., dimmer.

A 60 Hz cycle would be flicker-free and there is a convenient 60 Hz
signal source Cool. There may or may not be a commercially available
black box to do this. It would be trivial for an electronics hobbiest,
but my guess is that you are not one.

HTH,
Bob

quote 'LED's are binary devices - either ON or OFF'

This is rubbish.

The light output from a light emitting diode is a function of the current
passing through it. Most devices will show a wide variation of brightness
from say 1 to 20 mA.

Another Bob
Michael Black
Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2006 1:43 pm
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Pete Wilcox (pw2@st-andrews.ac.uk) writes:
Quote:
On Thu, 30 Nov 2006, Bob Engelhardt wrote:

It would be trivial for an electronics hobbiest, but my guess is that
you are not one.

Hobby, hobbier, hobbiest. ITYM hobbyist, but you may well be right, he
doesn't seem to be the hobbiest of them all!

I'm not one to usually nitpick on that sort of thing, but the error

over "hobbyist" has always jumped out at me.

I suppose if I could figure out why it's a common error, I might
be more understanding. But I can't figure out why the mistake is
made, so it somehow seems worse.

Michael
Bob Engelhardt
Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2006 3:24 pm
Guest
Bob Minchin wrote:
....
Quote:
The light output from a light emitting diode is a function of the current
passing through it. Most devices will show a wide variation of brightness
from say 1 to 20 mA.

OK, so how would the OP go about dimming his LEDs? Bob
Bob Engelhardt
Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2006 3:25 pm
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Michael Black wrote:
Quote:
Pete Wilcox (pw2@st-andrews.ac.uk) writes:
On Thu, 30 Nov 2006, Bob Engelhardt wrote:
... hobbiest, ...
... hobbyist, ...

I'm not one to usually nitpick on that sort of thing, but the error
over "hobbyist" has always jumped out at me.

I suppose if I could figure out why it's a common error, I might
be more understanding. But I can't figure out why the mistake is
made, so it somehow seems worse.

I don't know why, either. It just came out. If I HAD thought about it,
I would have used "hobbyist", probably. Maybe "hobbiest" is used
(incorrectly) so much that it has imprinted itself on me. Or maybe I
was just blindly converting the sound.

Sorry. It won't happen again. I am annoyed by that sort of thing, too.
But let's not turn this thread into "spelling errors that annoy me".

Bob
petrus bitbyter
Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2006 3:28 pm
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"DeanB" <deanbrown3d@yahoo.com> schreef in bericht
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Quote:

John wrote:
On 29 Nov 2006 20:35:58 -0800, "DeanB" <deanbrown3d@yahoo.com> wrote:

Because I have 900 of them on my tree and they are quite bright!

That depends on how they are wired.

If a transformer is used, then you could use an adjustable transformer
(Variac) to reduce the voltage to the transformer.

If a transformer is not used, you could use a standard light dimmer -
check the combined wattage of your lights to get the proper capacity
dimmer.

Note that standard light dimmers will NOT work with transformer
powered lights (or not for very long...

John

I know they are 4V per bulb. If I take out one bulb, then all of them
go out so I assume they are in series and not in parallel. I can't see
any transformer.


Hmm... Nine hundred LEDs in series with 4V/LED will require 3.6kV. Unlikely.

How do you now they are LEDs anyway? If they are directly connected to the
mains - so no transformer or other black box in between - I assume them to
be incandescent bulbs.

petrus bitbyter
Pete Wilcox
Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2006 3:50 pm
Guest
On Thu, 30 Nov 2006, Bob Engelhardt wrote:

Quote:
Sorry. It won't happen again. I am annoyed by that sort of thing, too. But
let's not turn this thread into "spelling errors that annoy me".

Shouldn't have sent the correction, sorry. Thing is, it didn't annoy me,

I just thought it was amusing and I was in a silly mood.
Note to self: Do NOT post while drunk... Do NOT post while drunk...

Cheers,
Pete.
JeffM
Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2006 3:50 pm
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DeanB wrote:
Quote:
Because I have 900 of them on my tree and they are quite bright!

Calculate the power consumed by your lights and,
being careful not to exceed the rating of the device, get one of these.
http://froogle.google.com/froogle?scoring=p&price=between&price1=1&q=tabletop-lamp-dimmer
Michael Black
Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2006 4:40 pm
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"petrus bitbyter" (pieterkraltlaatditweg@enditookhccnet.nl) writes:
Quote:
"DeanB" <deanbrown3d@yahoo.com> schreef in bericht
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John wrote:
On 29 Nov 2006 20:35:58 -0800, "DeanB" <deanbrown3d@yahoo.com> wrote:

Because I have 900 of them on my tree and they are quite bright!

That depends on how they are wired.

If a transformer is used, then you could use an adjustable transformer
(Variac) to reduce the voltage to the transformer.

If a transformer is not used, you could use a standard light dimmer -
check the combined wattage of your lights to get the proper capacity
dimmer.

Note that standard light dimmers will NOT work with transformer
powered lights (or not for very long...

John

I know they are 4V per bulb. If I take out one bulb, then all of them
go out so I assume they are in series and not in parallel. I can't see
any transformer.


Hmm... Nine hundred LEDs in series with 4V/LED will require 3.6kV. Unlikely.

How do you now they are LEDs anyway? If they are directly connected to the
mains - so no transformer or other black box in between - I assume them to
be incandescent bulbs.

For what it's worth, I bought some LED Christmas lights (they certainly

don't get warm) two years ago, and there's no transformer. I assume
they use some sort of series and parallel combination. Though I've
not wanted to sacrifice the string to figure out what's going on.

I suspect it's not a single string of 900 lights, but a number of separate
strings, coupled from one to the other in the same way that traditional
incandescent Christmas tree lights went, a plug at one end and an outlet
at the other to plug in the next string. That way you don't have to
bring each string down to the outlet, but each individual string is
seeing 120VAC.

Michael
Bob Engelhardt
Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2006 6:13 pm
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Pete Wilcox wrote:
Quote:
Shouldn't have sent the correction, sorry. Thing is, it didn't annoy
me, I just thought it was amusing and I was in a silly mood.
Note to self: Do NOT post while drunk... Do NOT post while drunk...

No no no. I was replying to Michael Black, who was annoyed. Your post
was clever and amusing itself and not offending (oh,no is that the right
word?). I would try drinking while posting, but I think that my posts
would become more error-filled rather than more clever.

Bob
 
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