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| Regbar |
 Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2003 11:14 am |
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Hello everyone,
In his book, "meeting with remarquable men", Gurdjieff, armenian
esateric man, talks about a map of "Egypt before sands". I don"t know
very much about History but this intrigue me.
What is Egypt before sands ? |
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| Ken Down |
| Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2003 3:06 pm |
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In article <1185399e.0312140814.29bd5787@posting.google.com>,
servantregis@aol.com (Regbar) wrote:
Quote: Hello everyone,
In his book, "meeting with remarquable men", Gurdjieff, armenian
esateric man, talks about a map of "Egypt before sands". I don"t know
very much about History but this intrigue me.
What is Egypt before sands ?
Don't read rubbish and you won't ask silly questions.
If you don't know much about history, read books about history, not books
about mystics and charlatans.
Ken Down
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| Mark |
| Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2003 6:55 pm |
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Quote: If you don't know much about history, read books about history, not books
about mystics and charlatans.
I do not think that the two are mutually exclusive. It seems to me
that while reading fiction the reader developed an interest in history
and turned to this group for help.
Can you recommend any sources that would support or reject the
possibilities of pre-sand Egypt? |
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| Eric Stevens |
| Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2003 8:30 pm |
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On 17 Dec 2003 15:55:21 -0800, markbogus444@hotmail.com (Mark) wrote:
Quote: If you don't know much about history, read books about history, not books
about mystics and charlatans.
I do not think that the two are mutually exclusive. It seems to me
that while reading fiction the reader developed an interest in history
and turned to this group for help.
Can you recommend any sources that would support or reject the
possibilities of pre-sand Egypt?
The boundaies of 'Pre-sand' Egypt might not resemble the Egypt of the
last few thousand years. I suggest you consider the possible
implications of: http://www.hp.uab.edu/image_archive/ta/tad.html and
http://members.tripod.com/~griots/Africa321/sahara.html
Eric Stevens |
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| Peter Jason |
| Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2003 12:29 am |
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I can't imagine it!
I was at the step pyramid at Sakkara a while ago, and I climbed up a small
sand embankment and gazed out over the western desert, and saw a vast sand
plain all the way to Libya.
No hills, dunes, or wadis. In the old days it must have been savanah or
steppes like the Russian ones.
"Regbar" <servantregis@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1185399e.0312140814.29bd5787@posting.google.com...
Quote: Hello everyone,
In his book, "meeting with remarquable men", Gurdjieff, armenian
esateric man, talks about a map of "Egypt before sands". I don"t know
very much about History but this intrigue me.
What is Egypt before sands ? |
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| Daryl Krupa |
| Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2003 12:29 am |
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markbogus444@hotmail.com (Mark) wrote in message news:<ce5a1500.0312171555.2667def@posting.google.com>...
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Quote: Can you recommend any sources that would support or reject the
possibilities of pre-sand Egypt?
There might not have been any time component intended in the translation
"sands before Egypt".
"Before" might have meant in the sense of "in front of":
"I saw the sands stretching out before me into the distance."
It might have meant "nearby", or "what is encountered earlier as one approaches":
"We must be sure to have lots of water loaded on the camels,
because we will encounter the sands
before we encounter the river valley".
Gurdjieff did not write in English; his prepositions were
not directly translatable, and its unlikely that he used
definite articles ("the", "these").
Lost cause, I fear.
That being said, the Western (Libyan) Desert
used to support nomadic hunters
(who left rock paintings depicting hunts where there are
no animals to hunt today), but that was
long before there was settled agriculture along the Nile,
and long before the Nile valley had filled up with sediment
and become a floodplain (it was before sea level had risen
up to modern level about 7,000 years ago, and
before the Nile Delta formed).
Try this site for what it was like in the area
away from the Nile valley during a wetter "pluvial" phase,
when glaciers covered half of Europe:
http://www.touregypt.net/ebph2.htm
And this is what it was like just before the last glacial maximum,
when the Sahara started to get really quite windblown and difficult:
http://www.touregypt.net/ebph3.htm
None of this would have been known to Gurdjieff, of course;
he could only have been making the broadest poetic reference,
less accurate than Shelley's "Ozymandias"
(Percy Bysshe Shelley, not Mary Wolstonecraft Shelley):
http://www.savagenet.com/oz/Oz/index.htm
Regards, Daryl Krupa |
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| Ken Down |
| Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2003 2:53 am |
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In article <ce5a1500.0312171555.2667def@posting.google.com>,
markbogus444@hotmail.com (Mark) wrote:
Quote: I do not think that the two are mutually exclusive. It seems to me
that while reading fiction the reader developed an interest in history
and turned to this group for help.
Gurdjieff (or however his name is spelled) is not a novelist. He is a mystic
along the lines of the well-known Chamber of Secrets proponents. He may even
have gone for aliens and atlanteans.
Quote: Can you recommend any sources that would support or reject the
possibilities of pre-sand Egypt?
Certainly. Any book dealing with the Jurassic (or whenever it was that the
Nile Valley was formed.
Ken Down
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| Mark |
| Posted: Sat Dec 20, 2003 12:53 pm |
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Thank you to Daryl and Eric for the info. and the links.
The cave paintings were very nice.
Mark |
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