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David Naugler
Posted: Fri Dec 19, 2003 1:26 pm
Guest
Boycott Greenpeace:

From:
http://www.brazzil.com/2003/html/news/articles/dec03/p120dec03.htm

Brazzil - Environment - December 2003

Brazilian Loggers Want Greenpeace Out

Greenpeace has compiled evidence of the prevalence of illegal
logging, rampant corruption and bribery, as well as a slavery system
that has been operating for years in the northeastern Brazilian
state of Pará. Despite all this evidence, however, workers in that
region joined in protests against the environmental organization.

Jennifer Beyer


These are pieces of the mosaic created by the small portion of the
rainforest that I experienced during a trip to the northeastern Amazon
region in 1995: quiet, a depth of absent sound and the awakening of
the soul's ears to the methodic hum of the collective life within the
vastness; the persistent, gentle buzz of teeming existence, untainted
by mechanical sounds, human-made objects or engines.

I remember listening to the unceasing chorus of millions of frogs at
night, sleeping in a hammock, awakening to the purity of the forests,
traveling in canoes and small boats on the water highways, witnessing
the simple ingenious practicality of the people who live in the heart
of nature. Here, one can taste freedom from the enslavement of modern
industry and its metallic disharmony.

The devastation of the rain forests has long been a topic of debate,
discussion and policy making, but the recently publicized threat posed
by the harvesting of mahogany trees in South American rainforests has
expanded awareness of the problem of unmitigated greed and its
consequences.

Greenpeace, an organization that advocates non-violent protest against
the economically motivated destruction of the world's natural
resources, has uncovered the exploitation of timber in the Amazon. The
group has compiled evidence of the prevalence of illegal logging,
rampant corruption and bribery, as well as a slavery system that has
been operating for years in the northeastern Brazilian state of Pará.
Despite the crimes perpetrated by the landowners and companies seeking
to exploit the Amazon's resources, workers in the Northeast joined in
protests against Greenpeace.

"Loggers from the Transamazônica region have blocked a highway to
demand the expulsion of Greenpeace activists from Amazônia. They have
accused the activists of threatening the economic development of the
region by supporting the creation of the `Forever Green' extractive
reserve. The reserve will have an area of 1.3 million hectares,
equivalent to 84 percent of the territory of Porto de Moz. Police
officers were forced to intervene in a dispute between the loggers and
representatives of social movements which support the creation of a
reserve. The loggers have called the Greenpeace activists `terrorists
and agitators'".

Greenpeace representatives summarized the events that preceded the
confrontation that received worldwide attention. "The protest and
threats were aimed not only against Greenpeace, which has been
exposing illegal logging in the region, but against the Brazilian
environmental agency's attempt to enforce the laws of Brazil as well.
In an action a few days ago, our activists discovered a barge full of
illegal logs in a remote riverside harbour. Activists painted `Crime'
on 6,000 cubic meters of logs, and marked the area with yellow tape as
a `Forest Crime' scene.

"Inspectors from Ibama, the Brazilian environmental agency, are
currently active in the region. Inspectors working along the
Transamazonian highway were trapped in their hotel last week when they
were surrounded by 300 armed loggers. Loggers were provoked to protest
by a local radio station, saying they were `cowards' if they didn't
chase Greenpeace out. The radio station is owned by the mayor of this
small town, who also controls the largest logging operation in the
world, and who offered free fuel and T-shirts to those who joined…. It
was reported that alcohol had also been distributed to the protestors"

According to these reports posted at http://webgreenpeace.org,
landowners and companies intent on exploiting Brazil's forests
instigated the protests because of the threat posed by Greenpeace's
research of communities that are affected by the logging industry.
Residents in the rainforest region also provided information to
conservation activists because of their concern that their lands were
in danger of being decimated or taken over by the tree harvesters.

The environmentalist organization, in its description of the events
that lead up to the standoff, uncovered some of the methods of land
acquisition that are utilized by the large companies in the Northeast:
"The recently released Greenpeace report `Pará: State of Conflict'
showed clearly that all government-approved Forest Management Plans in
the Porto de Moz region are based on false or insufficient land title
documentation. Most of these plans are used to launder illegally cut
wood outside of the boundaries of the plans themselves.

"Our activists in the Amazon were tipped off last week by ribeirinhos
(traditional riverbank settlers) about the problems caused by
Selvapad, when the company cut a track through the forest that cut
deep into community land. The ribeirinhos also reported that they had
to physically stop 300 trees on their land from being illegally cut.
According to community members, these trees would certainly have been
`laundered' through Paulo Pombo's [Paulo Pombo Tocantins, landowner
with links to the Selvapad company] management plan documents."

Greenpeace representatives encouraged concerned individuals and
organizations interested in the preservation of the Amazon and the
rainforests to vote with their dollars by boycotting the harvesters
and companies that profit from the felled trees. "Our Ancient Forest
Campaign promoted ecological and social use of the forest resources,
as well as the creation of a network of protected areas in ancient
forest regions worldwide. We are urging companies to immediately stop
buying wood from Porto de Moz and the Prainha region, because most of
the wood comes from illegal and crime related areas," they appealed.


You can email the author at jendasilva@yahoo.com
Menwith
Posted: Sat Dec 20, 2003 3:50 am
Guest
It is unfortunate that the misguided effort to impose
the Kyoto Protocol on the world .-. can't be redirected toward
the noble goal of land and wildlife conservation.

M.

David Naugler wrote:

Quote:
Boycott Greenpeace:

From:
http://www.brazzil.com/2003/html/news/articles/dec03/p120dec03.htm

Brazzil - Environment - December 2003

Brazilian Loggers Want Greenpeace Out

Greenpeace has compiled evidence of the prevalence of illegal
logging, rampant corruption and bribery, as well as a slavery system
that has been operating for years in the northeastern Brazilian
state of Pará. Despite all this evidence, however, workers in that
region joined in protests against the environmental organization.

Jennifer Beyer

These are pieces of the mosaic created by the small portion of the
rainforest that I experienced during a trip to the northeastern Amazon
region in 1995: quiet, a depth of absent sound and the awakening of
the soul's ears to the methodic hum of the collective life within the
vastness; the persistent, gentle buzz of teeming existence, untainted
by mechanical sounds, human-made objects or engines.

I remember listening to the unceasing chorus of millions of frogs at
night, sleeping in a hammock, awakening to the purity of the forests,
traveling in canoes and small boats on the water highways, witnessing
the simple ingenious practicality of the people who live in the heart
of nature. Here, one can taste freedom from the enslavement of modern
industry and its metallic disharmony.

The devastation of the rain forests has long been a topic of debate,
discussion and policy making, but the recently publicized threat posed
by the harvesting of mahogany trees in South American rainforests has
expanded awareness of the problem of unmitigated greed and its
consequences.

Greenpeace, an organization that advocates non-violent protest against
the economically motivated destruction of the world's natural
resources, has uncovered the exploitation of timber in the Amazon. The
group has compiled evidence of the prevalence of illegal logging,
rampant corruption and bribery, as well as a slavery system that has
been operating for years in the northeastern Brazilian state of Pará.
Despite the crimes perpetrated by the landowners and companies seeking
to exploit the Amazon's resources, workers in the Northeast joined in
protests against Greenpeace.

"Loggers from the Transamazônica region have blocked a highway to
demand the expulsion of Greenpeace activists from Amazônia. They have
accused the activists of threatening the economic development of the
region by supporting the creation of the `Forever Green' extractive
reserve. The reserve will have an area of 1.3 million hectares,
equivalent to 84 percent of the territory of Porto de Moz. Police
officers were forced to intervene in a dispute between the loggers and
representatives of social movements which support the creation of a
reserve. The loggers have called the Greenpeace activists `terrorists
and agitators'".

Greenpeace representatives summarized the events that preceded the
confrontation that received worldwide attention. "The protest and
threats were aimed not only against Greenpeace, which has been
exposing illegal logging in the region, but against the Brazilian
environmental agency's attempt to enforce the laws of Brazil as well.
In an action a few days ago, our activists discovered a barge full of
illegal logs in a remote riverside harbour. Activists painted `Crime'
on 6,000 cubic meters of logs, and marked the area with yellow tape as
a `Forest Crime' scene.

"Inspectors from Ibama, the Brazilian environmental agency, are
currently active in the region. Inspectors working along the
Transamazonian highway were trapped in their hotel last week when they
were surrounded by 300 armed loggers. Loggers were provoked to protest
by a local radio station, saying they were `cowards' if they didn't
chase Greenpeace out. The radio station is owned by the mayor of this
small town, who also controls the largest logging operation in the
world, and who offered free fuel and T-shirts to those who joined…. It
was reported that alcohol had also been distributed to the protestors"

According to these reports posted at http://webgreenpeace.org,
landowners and companies intent on exploiting Brazil's forests
instigated the protests because of the threat posed by Greenpeace's
research of communities that are affected by the logging industry.
Residents in the rainforest region also provided information to
conservation activists because of their concern that their lands were
in danger of being decimated or taken over by the tree harvesters.

The environmentalist organization, in its description of the events
that lead up to the standoff, uncovered some of the methods of land
acquisition that are utilized by the large companies in the Northeast:
"The recently released Greenpeace report `Pará: State of Conflict'
showed clearly that all government-approved Forest Management Plans in
the Porto de Moz region are based on false or insufficient land title
documentation. Most of these plans are used to launder illegally cut
wood outside of the boundaries of the plans themselves.

"Our activists in the Amazon were tipped off last week by ribeirinhos
(traditional riverbank settlers) about the problems caused by
Selvapad, when the company cut a track through the forest that cut
deep into community land. The ribeirinhos also reported that they had
to physically stop 300 trees on their land from being illegally cut.
According to community members, these trees would certainly have been
`laundered' through Paulo Pombo's [Paulo Pombo Tocantins, landowner
with links to the Selvapad company] management plan documents."

Greenpeace representatives encouraged concerned individuals and
organizations interested in the preservation of the Amazon and the
rainforests to vote with their dollars by boycotting the harvesters
and companies that profit from the felled trees. "Our Ancient Forest
Campaign promoted ecological and social use of the forest resources,
as well as the creation of a network of protected areas in ancient
forest regions worldwide. We are urging companies to immediately stop
buying wood from Porto de Moz and the Prainha region, because most of
the wood comes from illegal and crime related areas," they appealed.

You can email the author at jendasilva@yahoo.com
Vendicar Decarian
Posted: Sat Dec 20, 2003 9:22 pm
Guest
"David Naugler" <dnaugler@sfu.ca> wrote in message
news:c6bcfffa.0312191026.241fb80d@posting.google.com...
Quote:
Greenpeace has compiled evidence of the prevalence of illegal
logging, rampant corruption and bribery, as well as a slavery system
that has been operating for years in the northeastern Brazilian
state of Pará. Despite all this evidence, however, workers in that
region joined in protests against the environmental organization.

And for this whistle blowing the Bush Administration wishes to punish them
through the misuse of a 150 year old law that hasn't been used in the last
125 years.

Imagine that. Bush - the Liar and Chief - punishing those who expose
corruption. It's not as if he has a long history of such corruption is it?

Bahahahahahahahah...........

Vote for a Corrupt Liar. Elect a Corrupt Liar.
Vendicar Decarian
Posted: Sat Dec 20, 2003 9:22 pm
Guest
"Menwith" <Menwith@hill.com> wrote in message
news:3FE40D4D.1513A4F5@hill.com...
Quote:
It is unfortunate that the misguided effort to impose
the Kyoto Protocol on the world .-. can't be redirected toward
the noble goal of land and wildlife conservation.

You mean though the creation of zoos, or through the protection of habitat
that Global Warming is sure to destroy?
Menwith
Posted: Sun Dec 21, 2003 4:30 am
Guest
better than ,
covering Africa with genetically modified mutant organisms...
whose only purpose is to allow the voodoo carbon accountants
of the world an excuse to claim their country is in compliance with the KP.

M.

Vendicar Decarian wrote:

Quote:
"Menwith" <Menwith@hill.com> wrote in message
news:3FE40D4D.1513A4F5@hill.com...
It is unfortunate that the misguided effort to impose
the Kyoto Protocol on the world .-. can't be redirected toward
the noble goal of land and wildlife conservation.

You mean though the creation of zoos, or through the protection of habitat
that Global Warming is sure to destroy?
Donald L Ferrt
Posted: Sun Dec 21, 2003 9:08 am
Guest
dnaugler@sfu.ca (David Naugler) wrote in message news:<c6bcfffa.0312191026.241fb80d@posting.google.com>...
Quote:
Boycott Greenpeace:

From:
http://www.brazzil.com/2003/html/news/articles/dec03/p120dec03.htm

Brazzil - Environment - December 2003

Brazilian Loggers Want Greenpeace Out

Greenpeace has compiled evidence of the prevalence of illegal
logging, rampant corruption and bribery, as well as a slavery system
that has been operating for years in the northeastern Brazilian
state of Pará. Despite all this evidence, however, workers in that
region joined in protests against the environmental organization.

Jennifer Beyer


These are pieces of the mosaic created by the small portion of the
rainforest that I experienced during a trip to the northeastern Amazon
region in 1995: quiet, a depth of absent sound and the awakening of
the soul's ears to the methodic hum of the collective life within the
vastness; the persistent, gentle buzz of teeming existence, untainted
by mechanical sounds, human-made objects or engines.

I remember listening to the unceasing chorus of millions of frogs at
night, sleeping in a hammock, awakening to the purity of the forests,
traveling in canoes and small boats on the water highways, witnessing
the simple ingenious practicality of the people who live in the heart
of nature. Here, one can taste freedom from the enslavement of modern
industry and its metallic disharmony.

The devastation of the rain forests has long been a topic of debate,
discussion and policy making, but the recently publicized threat posed
by the harvesting of mahogany trees in South American rainforests has
expanded awareness of the problem of unmitigated greed and its
consequences.

Greenpeace, an organization that advocates non-violent protest against
the economically motivated destruction of the world's natural
resources, has uncovered the exploitation of timber in the Amazon. The
group has compiled evidence of the prevalence of illegal logging,
rampant corruption and bribery, as well as a slavery system that has
been operating for years in the northeastern Brazilian state of Pará.
Despite the crimes perpetrated by the landowners and companies seeking
to exploit the Amazon's resources, workers in the Northeast joined in
protests against Greenpeace.

"Loggers from the Transamazônica region have blocked a highway to
demand the expulsion of Greenpeace activists from Amazônia. They have
accused the activists of threatening the economic development of the
region by supporting the creation of the `Forever Green' extractive
reserve. The reserve will have an area of 1.3 million hectares,
equivalent to 84 percent of the territory of Porto de Moz. Police
officers were forced to intervene in a dispute between the loggers and
representatives of social movements which support the creation of a
reserve. The loggers have called the Greenpeace activists `terrorists
and agitators'".


Yes!!!! I seem to remember these same "Loggers" and "Logger Workers"
had problems with Chico Mendez also:

http://www.fragilecologies.com/apr26_99.html

http://www.sln.org.uk/geography/who_killed_chico_mendez.htm
Vendicar Decarian
Posted: Sun Dec 21, 2003 11:07 am
Guest
Quote:
"Menwith" <Menwith@hill.com> wrote in message
news:3FE40D4D.1513A4F5@hill.com...
It is unfortunate that the misguided effort to impose
the Kyoto Protocol on the world .-. can't be redirected toward
the noble goal of land and wildlife conservation.

Vendicar Decarian wrote:
You mean though the creation of zoos, or through the protection of
habitat
that Global Warming is sure to destroy?

"Menwith" <Menwith@hill.com> wrote in message
news:3FE5684C.D58E2A14@hill.com...
Quote:
better than ,
covering Africa with genetically modified mutant organisms...
whose only purpose is to allow the voodoo carbon accountants
of the world an excuse to claim their country is in compliance with the
KP.


I'm not aware of any plan to cover africa with genetically modifoed mutant
organisms for the purpose of combatting Global Warming.

On what alien news service was such a plan floated?
James
Posted: Sun Dec 21, 2003 12:32 pm
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"Vendicar Decarian" <VD@Pyro.net> wrote in message
news:gv7Fb.15959$mV5.9818@read1.cgocable.net...
Quote:

"Menwith" <Menwith@hill.com> wrote in message
news:3FE40D4D.1513A4F5@hill.com...
It is unfortunate that the misguided effort to impose
the Kyoto Protocol on the world .-. can't be redirected toward
the noble goal of land and wildlife conservation.

You mean though the creation of zoos, or through the protection of habitat
that Global Warming is sure to destroy?



Conjecture based on biased science.
David Ball
Posted: Sun Dec 21, 2003 12:41 pm
Guest
On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 12:32:13 -0500, "James" <jrapier@dcr.net> wrote:

Quote:

"Vendicar Decarian" <VD@Pyro.net> wrote in message
news:gv7Fb.15959$mV5.9818@read1.cgocable.net...

"Menwith" <Menwith@hill.com> wrote in message
news:3FE40D4D.1513A4F5@hill.com...
It is unfortunate that the misguided effort to impose
the Kyoto Protocol on the world .-. can't be redirected toward
the noble goal of land and wildlife conservation.

You mean though the creation of zoos, or through the protection of habitat
that Global Warming is sure to destroy?



Conjecture based on biased science.

A distinct possibility based on solid science, science that

you lack the wit to even comprehend.
James
Posted: Sun Dec 21, 2003 1:16 pm
Guest
"David Ball" <wraith7@mb.sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:bombuv8i4augapsa7hcrukipebakn53j50@4ax.com...
Quote:
On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 12:32:13 -0500, "James" <jrapier@dcr.net> wrote:


"Vendicar Decarian" <VD@Pyro.net> wrote in message
news:gv7Fb.15959$mV5.9818@read1.cgocable.net...

"Menwith" <Menwith@hill.com> wrote in message
news:3FE40D4D.1513A4F5@hill.com...
It is unfortunate that the misguided effort to impose
the Kyoto Protocol on the world .-. can't be redirected toward
the noble goal of land and wildlife conservation.

You mean though the creation of zoos, or through the protection of
habitat
that Global Warming is sure to destroy?



Conjecture based on biased science.

A distinct possibility based on solid science, science that
you lack the wit to even comprehend.

Solid science? It's a sham and you are one of the useful idiots. This has
been a stacked deck ever since Gore and Clinton started the ball rolling.
Gore's constant declarations that that day's weather is all the proof you
need is solid science all right. That would also be the cause of el nino
according to him. The IPCC was designed to support his foregone conclusion.
David Ball
Posted: Sun Dec 21, 2003 1:27 pm
Guest
On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 13:16:22 -0500, "James" <jrapier@dcr.net> wrote:

Quote:

"David Ball" <wraith7@mb.sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:bombuv8i4augapsa7hcrukipebakn53j50@4ax.com...
On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 12:32:13 -0500, "James" <jrapier@dcr.net> wrote:


"Vendicar Decarian" <VD@Pyro.net> wrote in message
news:gv7Fb.15959$mV5.9818@read1.cgocable.net...

"Menwith" <Menwith@hill.com> wrote in message
news:3FE40D4D.1513A4F5@hill.com...
It is unfortunate that the misguided effort to impose
the Kyoto Protocol on the world .-. can't be redirected toward
the noble goal of land and wildlife conservation.

You mean though the creation of zoos, or through the protection of
habitat
that Global Warming is sure to destroy?



Conjecture based on biased science.

A distinct possibility based on solid science, science that
you lack the wit to even comprehend.

Solid science? It's a sham and you are one of the useful idiots. This has
been a stacked deck ever since Gore and Clinton started the ball rolling.
Gore's constant declarations that that day's weather is all the proof you
need is solid science all right. That would also be the cause of el nino
according to him. The IPCC was designed to support his foregone conclusion.


LOL. Why don't you quote us chapter and verse of the sham
science, James. Please, use on technical language and explain in
detail where the errors in the science lie.
As for useful idiots, that term is used to describe people
like you: individuals who lack the skills to understand the most basic
aspects of the science, who can be led around by the nose like a prize
bull because someone tells them what they want to hear. This isn't
about your pathetic pseudo-religious political views, James, but about
facts. Any time you feel like posting some of those, feel free.
Vendicar Decarian
Posted: Sun Dec 21, 2003 6:20 pm
Guest
Quote:

"Vendicar Decarian" <VD@Pyro.net> wrote in message
news:gv7Fb.15959$mV5.9818@read1.cgocable.net...
You mean though the creation of zoos, or through the protection of
habitat
that Global Warming is sure to destroy?

"James" <jrapier@dcr.net> wrote in message news:MRkFb.11$im3.9@fe01...
Quote:
Conjecture based on biased science.

Source: National Science Foundation
Date: 2003-12-18

New Study Reports Large-Scale Salinity Changes In The Oceans
Arlington, Va. -- Tropical ocean waters have become dramatically
saltier
over the past 40 years, while oceans closer to Earth's poles have
become
fresher, scientists report in the December 18th issue of the journal
Nature. These large-scale, relatively rapid oceanic changes suggest
that
recent climate changes, including global warming, may be altering the
fundamental planetary system that regulates evaporation and
precipitation
and cycles fresh water around the globe.

The study was conducted by Ruth Curry of the Woods Hole Oceanographic
Institution (WHOI); Bob Dickson of the Centre for Environment,
Fisheries,
and Aquaculture Science in Lowestoft, U.K.; and Igor Yashayaev of the
Bedford Institute of Oceanography in Dartmouth, Canada.

"This study is important because it provides direct evidence that the
global water cycle is intensifying," said Elise Ralph, associate
director
of the National Science Foundation's (NSF) physical oceanography
program,
which funded the research. "This is consistent with global warming
hypotheses that suggest ocean evaporation will increase as Earth's
temperature does. These issues are particularly important as pressure
on
freshwater resources has become critical in many areas around the
world."
An acceleration of Earth's global water cycle can potentially affect
global precipitation patterns that govern the distribution, severity
and
frequency of droughts, floods and storms. It would also exacerbate
global
warming by rapidly adding more water vapor-itself a potent,
heat-trapping
greenhouse gas-to the atmosphere. And it could continue to freshen
North
Atlantic Ocean waters to a point that could disrupt ocean circulation
and
trigger further climate changes.

The oceans and atmosphere continually exchange fresh water.
Evaporation
over warm, tropical and subtropical oceans transfers water vapor to
the
atmosphere, which transports it toward both poles. At higher
latitudes,
that water vapor precipitates as rain or snow and ultimately returns
to
the oceans, which complete the cycle by circulating fresh water back
toward the equator. The process maintains a balanced distribution of
water
around our planet.

The oceans contain 96 percent of the Earth's water, experience 86
percent
of planetary evaporation, and receive 78 percent of planetary
precipitation, and thus represent a key element of the global water
cycle
for study, the scientists said. Because evaporation concentrates salt
in
the surface ocean, increasing evaporation rates cause detectable
spikes in
surface ocean salinity levels. In contrast, salinity decreases
generally
reflect the addition of fresh water to the ocean through precipitation
and
runoff from the continents.

Curry, Dickson, and Yashayaev analyzed a wealth of salinity
measurements
collected over recent decades along a key region in the Atlantic
Ocean,
from the tip of Greenland to the tip of South America. Their analysis
showed the properties of Atlantic water masses have been changing-in
some
cases radically-over the five decades for which reliable and
systematic
records of ocean measurements are available, the scientists report.

They observed that surface waters in tropical and subtropical Atlantic
Ocean regions became markedly saltier. Simultaneously, much of the
water
column in the high latitudes of the North and South Atlantic became
fresher.

This trend appears to have accelerated since 1990-when 10 of the
warmest
years since records began in 1861 have occurred. The scientists
estimated
that net evaporation rates over the tropical Atlantic have increased
by
five percent to ten percent over the past four decades.
These results indicate that fresh water has been lost from the low
latitudes and added at high latitudes, at a pace exceeding the ocean
circulation's ability to compensate, say the scientists. Taken
together
with other recent studies revealing parallel salinity changes in the
Mediterranean, Pacific, and Indian Oceans, a growing body of evidence
suggests that the global hydrologic cycle has revved up in recent
decades.

Among other possible climate impacts, an accelerated evaporation -
precipitation cycle would continue to freshen northern North Atlantic
waters. The North Atlantic is one of the few places on Earth where
surface
waters become dense enough to sink to the abyss. The plunge of this
great
mass of cold, salty water helps drive a global ocean circulation
system,
often called the Ocean Conveyor. This Conveyor helps draw warm Gulf
Stream
waters northward in the Atlantic, pumping heat into the northern
regions
that significantly moderates wintertime air temperatures, especially
in
Europe.

If the North Atlantic becomes too fresh, its waters would stop sinking
and
the Conveyor could slow down. Analyses of ice cores, deep-sea sediment
cores, and other geologic evidence have clearly demonstrated the
Conveyor
has abruptly slowed down or halted many times in Earth's history. That
has
caused the North Atlantic region to cool significantly and brought
long-term drought conditions to other areas of the Northern Hemisphere
over time spans as short as years to decades.

Melting glaciers and Arctic sea ice, another consequence of global
warming, are other sources of additional fresh water to the North
Atlantic. An accelerated water cycle also appears to be increasing
precipitation in higher latitudes, contributing to the freshening of
North
Atlantic waters and increasing the possibility of slowing the
Conveyor.
A cooling of the North Atlantic region would slow the melting process,
curtail the influx of fresh water to the North Atlantic. The Conveyor
would again begin to circulate ocean waters. But global warming and an
accelerated water cycle would continue to bring fresh water to high
latitudes-possibly enough to maintain a cap on the Conveyor even if
the
Arctic melting ceased. Monitoring Earth's hydrological cycle is
critical,
the scientists said, because of its potential near-term impacts on
Earth's
climate.

The research was also supported by the Framework V Programme of the
European Community, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric
Administration's
Consortium on the Ocean's Role in Climate, and the Ocean and Climate
Change Institute at the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution.
Vendicar Decarian
Posted: Sun Dec 21, 2003 6:25 pm
Guest
"James" <jrapier@dcr.net> wrote in message news:0vlFb.18$im3.11@fe01...
Quote:
Solid science? It's a sham and you are one of the useful idiots. This has
been a stacked deck ever since Gore and Clinton started the ball rolling.
Gore's constant declarations that that day's weather is all the proof you
need is solid science all right. That would also be the cause of el nino
according to him. The IPCC was designed to support his foregone
conclusion.


http://www.agu.org/sci_soc/policy/climate_change_position.html

Human Impacts on Climate
Adopted by Council December, 2003

Human activities are increasingly altering the Earth's climate. These
effects
add to natural influences that have been present over Earth's history.
Scientific evidence strongly indicates that natural influences cannot
explain
the rapid increase in global near-surface temperatures observed during the
second half of the 20th century.

Human impacts on the climate system include increasing concentrations of
atmospheric greenhouse gases (e.g., carbon dioxide, chlorofluorocarbons and
their substitutes, methane, nitrous oxide, etc.), air pollution, increasing
concentrations of airborne particles, and land alteration. A particular
concern
is that atmospheric levels of carbon dioxide may be rising faster than at
any
time in Earth's history, except possibly following rare events like impacts
from large extraterrestrial objects.

Atmospheric carbon dioxide concentrations have increased since the mid-1700s
through fossil fuel burning and changes in land use, with more than 80% of
this
increase occurring since 1900. Moreover, research indicates that increased
levels of carbon dioxide will remain in the atmosphere for hundreds to
thousands of years. It is virtually certain that increasing atmospheric
concentrations of carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases will cause
global
surface climate to be warmer.

The complexity of the climate system makes it difficult to predict some
aspects
of human-induced climate change: exactly how fast it will occur, exactly how
much it will change, and exactly where those changes will take place. In
contrast, scientists are confident in other predictions. Mid-continent
warming
will be greater than over the oceans, and there will be greater warming at
higher latitudes. Some polar and glacial ice will melt, and the oceans will
warm; both effects will contribute to higher sea levels. The hydrologic
cycle
will change and intensify, leading to changes in water supply as well as
flood
and drought patterns. There will be considerable regional variations in the
resulting impacts.

Scientists' understanding of the fundamental processes responsible for
global
climate change has greatly improved during the last decade, including better
representation of carbon, water, and other biogeochemical cycles in climate
models. Yet, model projections of future global warming vary, because of
differing estimates of population growth, economic activity, greenhouse gas
emission rates, changes in atmospheric particulate concentrations and their
effects, and also because of uncertainties in climate models. Actions that
decrease emissions of some air pollutants will reduce their climate effects
in
the short term. Even so, the impacts of increasing greenhouse gas
concentrations would remain.

The 1992 United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change states as an
objective the "...stabilization of greenhouse gas concentrations in the
atmosphere at a level that would prevent dangerous anthropogenic
interference
with the climate system." AGU believes that no single threshold level of
greenhouse gas concentrations in the atmosphere exists at which the
beginning
of dangerous anthropogenic interference with the climate system can be
defined.
Some impacts have already occurred, and for increasing concentrations there
will be increasing impacts. The unprecedented increases in greenhouse gas
concentrations, together with other human influences on climate over the
past
century and those anticipated for the future, constitute a real basis for
concern.

Enhanced national and international research and other efforts are needed to
support climate related policy decisions. These include fundamental climate
research, improved observations and modeling, increased computational
capability, and very importantly, education of the next generation of
climate
scientists. AGU encourages scientists worldwide to participate in climate
research, education, scientific assessments, and policy discussions. AGU
also
urges that the scientific basis for policy discussions and decision-making
be
based upon objective assessment of peer-reviewed research results.

Science provides society with information useful in dealing with natural
hazards such as earthquakes, hurricanes, and drought, which improves our
ability to predict and prepare for their adverse effects. While
human-induced
climate change is unique in its global scale and long lifetime, AGU believes
that science should play the same role in dealing with climate change. AGU
is
committed to improving the communication of scientific information to
governments and private organizations so that their decisions on climate
issues
will be based on the best science.

The global climate is changing and human activities are contributing to that
change. Scientific research is required to improve our ability to predict
climate change and its impacts on countries and regions around the globe.
Scientific research provides a basis for mitigating the harmful effects of
global climate change through decreased human influences (e.g., slowing
greenhouse gas emissions, improving land management practices),
technological
advancement (e.g., removing carbon from the atmosphere), and finding ways
for
communities to adapt and become resilient to extreme events.
James
Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2003 11:03 am
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On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 13:16:22 -0500, "James" <jrapier@dcr.net> wrote:


"David Ball" <wraith7@mb.sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 12:32:13 -0500, "James" <jrapier@dcr.net> wrote:


"Vendicar Decarian" <VD@Pyro.net> wrote in message
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"Menwith" <Menwith@hill.com> wrote in message
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It is unfortunate that the misguided effort to impose
the Kyoto Protocol on the world .-. can't be redirected toward
the noble goal of land and wildlife conservation.

You mean though the creation of zoos, or through the protection of
habitat
that Global Warming is sure to destroy?



Conjecture based on biased science.

A distinct possibility based on solid science, science that
you lack the wit to even comprehend.

Solid science? It's a sham and you are one of the useful idiots. This has
been a stacked deck ever since Gore and Clinton started the ball rolling.
Gore's constant declarations that that day's weather is all the proof you
need is solid science all right. That would also be the cause of el nino
according to him. The IPCC was designed to support his foregone
conclusion.


LOL. Why don't you quote us chapter and verse of the sham
science, James. Please, use on technical language and explain in
detail where the errors in the science lie.

When it's political and has an agenda, the conclusions of the science is
bogus.

Quote:
As for useful idiots, that term is used to describe people
like you: individuals who lack the skills to understand the most basic
aspects of the science, who can be led around by the nose like a prize
bull because someone tells them what they want to hear.

You've just described yourself and many others.

This isn't
Quote:
about your pathetic pseudo-religious political views, James, but about
facts.

Facts don't necessarily give conclusions to truth but it sure does prop up
the conjecture.
James
Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2003 11:06 am
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"James" <jrapier@dcr.net> wrote in message news:0vlFb.18$im3.11@fe01...
Solid science? It's a sham and you are one of the useful idiots. This
has
been a stacked deck ever since Gore and Clinton started the ball
rolling.
Gore's constant declarations that that day's weather is all the proof
you
need is solid science all right. That would also be the cause of el nino
according to him. The IPCC was designed to support his foregone
conclusion.

http://www.agu.org/sci_soc/policy/climate_change_position.html

Human Impacts on Climate
Adopted by Council December, 2003

Human activities are increasingly altering the Earth's climate. These
effects
add to natural influences that have been present over Earth's history.
Scientific evidence strongly indicates that natural influences cannot
explain
the rapid increase in global near-surface temperatures observed during the
second half of the 20th century.


That's because they don't know what they are.

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