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Ian St. John
Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2003 3:09 pm
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ENEMY AXIS

BLOODIED U.S. QUIETLY FORGES ALLIANCE WITH ARCH-ENEMY IRAN AS FIRST STEP IN
IRAQ EXIT STRATEGY

BY GEORGE FRIEDMAN

Iranian president mohammad Khatami did something very interesting November
17: he announced that Iran recognized the Iraqi Governing Council in
Baghdad. He said specifically, "We recognize the Iraqi Governing Council and
we believe it is capable, with the Iraqi people, of managing the affairs of
the country and taking measures toward independence."

Khatami also commented on the agreement made by U.S. administrator Paul
Bremer and the IGC to transfer power to an Iraqi government by June. This is
pretty extraordinary stuff.

The IGC is an invention of the United States. The president of Iran has now
recognized the IGC as the legitimate government of Iraq, and he has also
declared Iran's support for the timetable for transferring power to the IGC.

In effect, the U.S. and Iranian positions on Iraq have now converged.

Despite absolute ideological differences on which neither side is prepared
to compromise, common geopolitical interests have forced both sides to
collaborate.

"Alignment" is a better word than "alliance." What is interesting is the
exceptionally quiet response of the global media to what is, after all, a
fairly extraordinary development. The media focus on. well, media events.

When Nixon went to China, the visit was deliberately framed as a massive
media event. Both China and the United States wanted to emphasize the shift
in alignment, to both the Soviet Union and their own publics.

In this case, neither the United States nor Iran wants attention focused on
this event. For Washington, aligning with a charter member of the "axis of
evil" poses significant political problems; for Tehran, aligning with the
"Great Satan" poses similar problems. Both want alignment, but neither wants
to draw attention to it.

For the media, the lack of a photo op means nothing has happened. Except for
low-key reporting by some wire services, Khatami's statement has been
generally ignored, which is fine by Washington and Tehran. In fact, on the
same day that Khatami made his statement, the news about Iran focused on the
country's nuclear weapons program. We christen thee "stealth geopolitics."

The United States had not prepared for a guerrilla war in Iraq, and it had
no plan for fighting such a war. At the same time, for all its problems, the
situation is not nearly as desperate as it appears.

Most of the country is not involved in the guerrilla war, which is
essentially confined to the Sunni Triangle - a fraction of Iraq's
territory - and to the minority Sunni group. The majority of Iraqis, Shiites
and Kurds, not only are not involved in the war but are inherently opposed
to it.

However, being opposed to the guerrillas does not make the Shiites in
particular pro-American. They have their own interests: the Shiites in Iraq
wanted to control the post-Saddam Hussein government. It is not fair to say
that Iran simply controls the Iraqi Shiites, but it is fair to say that
Iranian intelligence systematically penetrated and organized the Shiites
during Hussein's rule.

Tehran has tremendous and decisive influence in Iraq at this point. Iran has
a fundamental interest in a pro-Iranian, or at least genuinely neutral,
Iraq. The only way to begin creating that is with a Shiite-controlled
government.

If Iraq is neutralized, Iran becomes the pre-eminent power in the Persian
Gulf. Once the United States leaves the region - and in due course, the U.S.
will leave - Iran will be in a position to dominate. Iran has, therefore,
every reason to want to see an evolution toward a Shiite government in Iraq.

Washington now has an identical interest. The United States does not have
the ability or appetite to suppress the Sunni rising in perpetuity, nor does
it have an interest in doing so. The U.S. interest is in destroying al
Qaeda. Washington thus needs an ally that has an intrinsic interest in
fighting the guerrilla war and power to do it.

The United States ultimately gets a force in Iraq to fight the insurrection,
the Iraqi Shiites get to run Iraq and secure their Western frontier.
Moreover, the Iranians are motivated to fight al Qaeda (a movement they have
never liked anyway) and can lend their not insignificant intelligence
capabilities to the mix.

The last real outstanding issue is Iran's nuclear capability. Iran would
obviously love to be a nuclear power in addition to being a regional
hegemon. That would be sweet. However, it isn't going to happen, and the
Iranians know that, because Israel cannot permit it. The U.S. would be
forced to take out Iran's facilities with American (weapons) in the region -
better a non-nuclear U.S. attack than an Israeli nuclear attack.

The Iranians are now using their nuclear option to extract maximum political
concessions from the United States. It is in Tehran's interest to maximize
the credibility of the country's nuclear program without crossing a line.
The nuclear issue is not the pivot. The alignment (over the IGC) represents
a solution to both U.S. and Iranian needs.

However, in the long run the Iranians are the major winners. When it's all
over, they get to dominate the Persian Gulf and the Arab Peninsula. That
upsets the regional balance of power completely and is sending Saudi leaders
into a panic.

The worst-case scenario for Saudi Arabia is, of course, an Iranian-dominated
region. It's also not a great outcome for the United States, since it has no
interest in any one power dominating the region.

But the future is the future, and now is now. We should remember that the
U.S. has a history of improbable alliances that caused problems later.

But Washington is not going to worry about the long run now.

In the short run, the U.S.-Iranian alignment is the most important news
since September 11. It represents a triumph of geopolitics over principle on
both sides, which is what makes it work. Quite impressive.

Excerpted from Strategic Forecasting Inc. (www.stratfor.com ), a leading
global intelligence firm.
George
Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2003 3:28 pm
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"Ian St. John" <istjohn@noemail.ca> wrote in message
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Quote:

http://www.nowtoronto.com/issues/2003-12-04/news_story2.php
ENEMY AXIS

BLOODIED U.S. QUIETLY FORGES ALLIANCE WITH ARCH-ENEMY IRAN AS FIRST STEP
IN
IRAQ EXIT STRATEGY

BY GEORGE FRIEDMAN

Iranian president mohammad Khatami did something very interesting November
17: he announced that Iran recognized the Iraqi Governing Council in
Baghdad. He said specifically, "We recognize the Iraqi Governing Council
and
we believe it is capable, with the Iraqi people, of managing the affairs
of
the country and taking measures toward independence."

Khatami also commented on the agreement made by U.S. administrator Paul
Bremer and the IGC to transfer power to an Iraqi government by June. This
is
pretty extraordinary stuff.

The IGC is an invention of the United States. The president of Iran has
now
recognized the IGC as the legitimate government of Iraq, and he has also
declared Iran's support for the timetable for transferring power to the
IGC.

In effect, the U.S. and Iranian positions on Iraq have now converged.

Despite absolute ideological differences on which neither side is prepared
to compromise, common geopolitical interests have forced both sides to
collaborate.

"Alignment" is a better word than "alliance." What is interesting is the
exceptionally quiet response of the global media to what is, after all, a
fairly extraordinary development. The media focus on. well, media events.

When Nixon went to China, the visit was deliberately framed as a massive
media event. Both China and the United States wanted to emphasize the
shift
in alignment, to both the Soviet Union and their own publics.

In this case, neither the United States nor Iran wants attention focused
on
this event. For Washington, aligning with a charter member of the "axis of
evil" poses significant political problems; for Tehran, aligning with the
"Great Satan" poses similar problems. Both want alignment, but neither
wants
to draw attention to it.

For the media, the lack of a photo op means nothing has happened. Except
for
low-key reporting by some wire services, Khatami's statement has been
generally ignored, which is fine by Washington and Tehran. In fact, on the
same day that Khatami made his statement, the news about Iran focused on
the
country's nuclear weapons program. We christen thee "stealth geopolitics."

The United States had not prepared for a guerrilla war in Iraq, and it had
no plan for fighting such a war. At the same time, for all its problems,
the
situation is not nearly as desperate as it appears.

Most of the country is not involved in the guerrilla war, which is
essentially confined to the Sunni Triangle - a fraction of Iraq's
territory - and to the minority Sunni group. The majority of Iraqis,
Shiites
and Kurds, not only are not involved in the war but are inherently opposed
to it.

However, being opposed to the guerrillas does not make the Shiites in
particular pro-American. They have their own interests: the Shiites in
Iraq
wanted to control the post-Saddam Hussein government. It is not fair to
say
that Iran simply controls the Iraqi Shiites, but it is fair to say that
Iranian intelligence systematically penetrated and organized the Shiites
during Hussein's rule.

Tehran has tremendous and decisive influence in Iraq at this point. Iran
has
a fundamental interest in a pro-Iranian, or at least genuinely neutral,
Iraq. The only way to begin creating that is with a Shiite-controlled
government.

If Iraq is neutralized, Iran becomes the pre-eminent power in the Persian
Gulf. Once the United States leaves the region - and in due course, the
U.S.
will leave - Iran will be in a position to dominate. Iran has, therefore,
every reason to want to see an evolution toward a Shiite government in
Iraq.

Washington now has an identical interest. The United States does not have
the ability or appetite to suppress the Sunni rising in perpetuity, nor
does
it have an interest in doing so. The U.S. interest is in destroying al
Qaeda. Washington thus needs an ally that has an intrinsic interest in
fighting the guerrilla war and power to do it.

The United States ultimately gets a force in Iraq to fight the
insurrection,
the Iraqi Shiites get to run Iraq and secure their Western frontier.
Moreover, the Iranians are motivated to fight al Qaeda (a movement they
have
never liked anyway) and can lend their not insignificant intelligence
capabilities to the mix.

The last real outstanding issue is Iran's nuclear capability. Iran would
obviously love to be a nuclear power in addition to being a regional
hegemon. That would be sweet. However, it isn't going to happen, and the
Iranians know that, because Israel cannot permit it. The U.S. would be
forced to take out Iran's facilities with American (weapons) in the
region -
better a non-nuclear U.S. attack than an Israeli nuclear attack.

The Iranians are now using their nuclear option to extract maximum
political
concessions from the United States. It is in Tehran's interest to maximize
the credibility of the country's nuclear program without crossing a line.
The nuclear issue is not the pivot. The alignment (over the IGC)
represents
a solution to both U.S. and Iranian needs.

However, in the long run the Iranians are the major winners. When it's all
over, they get to dominate the Persian Gulf and the Arab Peninsula. That
upsets the regional balance of power completely and is sending Saudi
leaders
into a panic.

The worst-case scenario for Saudi Arabia is, of course, an
Iranian-dominated
region. It's also not a great outcome for the United States, since it has
no
interest in any one power dominating the region.

But the future is the future, and now is now. We should remember that the
U.S. has a history of improbable alliances that caused problems later.

But Washington is not going to worry about the long run now.

In the short run, the U.S.-Iranian alignment is the most important news
since September 11. It represents a triumph of geopolitics over principle
on
both sides, which is what makes it work. Quite impressive.

Excerpted from Strategic Forecasting Inc. (www.stratfor.com ), a leading
global intelligence firm.



Please note that the Arab League has also recognized the IGC, as has the UN.
Are you suggesting that they are also in cahoots with the US? Just because
you are paranoid doesn't mean that we are NOT watching you! Smile
Ian St. John
Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2003 3:53 pm
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"Ian St. John" <istjohn@noemail.ca> wrote in message
snip
Please note that the Arab League has also recognized the IGC, as has the
UN.


Recognition is not approval, much less a commendation.

Quote:
Are you suggesting that they are also in cahoots with the US?

I am posting an article on the U.S. problem and likely endgame.

Quote:
Just because
you are paranoid doesn't mean that we are NOT watching you! Smile

Since this article somes from a U.S. stategic forecasting group, I imagine
that the policy makers are no unaware of the damage done by removal of the
Saddam 'dictatorship' in terms of creating a dominant theocracy in the
regions in control of the oil wealth and damaging Persian Gulf countries
that WERE our allies. It is called 'polarization' and it is the natural
consequence of ill considered pressure from an outside force.

That the area would be destabilised by an incursion *no matter what the
justification or rationale* was predictable. Every President before Dumbya
has been able to see this. But I guess they didn't have God on their
shoulder telling them it's "the right thing to do".
George
Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2003 4:15 pm
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"Ian St. John" <istjohn@noemail.ca> wrote in message
snip
Please note that the Arab League has also recognized the IGC, as has the
UN.

Recognition is not approval, much less a commendation.

Are you suggesting that they are also in cahoots with the US?

I am posting an article on the U.S. problem and likely endgame.

Just because
you are paranoid doesn't mean that we are NOT watching you! :-)

Since this article somes from a U.S. stategic forecasting group, I imagine
that the policy makers are no unaware of the damage done by removal of the
Saddam 'dictatorship' in terms of creating a dominant theocracy in the
regions in control of the oil wealth and damaging Persian Gulf countries
that WERE our allies. It is called 'polarization' and it is the natural
consequence of ill considered pressure from an outside force.

And what allies in the Persian Gulf do YOU think we've alienated?
George
Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2003 11:52 pm
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"George" <george@george.net> wrote in message
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And what allies in the Persian Gulf do YOU think we've alienated?

It would be more efficient to ask who the Corrupt Bush Administration
Hasn't
alienated.


If you have no answer, please refrain from babbling.
Vendicar Decarian
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And what allies in the Persian Gulf do YOU think we've alienated?

It would be more efficient to ask who the Corrupt Bush Administration Hasn't
alienated.
Vendicar Decarian
Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2003 10:20 am
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Quote:
"George" <george@george.net> wrote in message
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And what allies in the Persian Gulf do YOU think we've alienated?

"Vendicar Decarian" <VD@Pyro.net> wrote in message
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It would be more efficient to ask who the Corrupt Bush Administration
Hasn't
alienated.

"George" <george@george.net> wrote in message
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Quote:
If you have no answer, please refrain from babbling.

It would be more efficient to ask who the Corrupt Bush Administration Hasn't
alienated.
George
Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2003 10:45 am
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"George" <george@george.net> wrote in message
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And what allies in the Persian Gulf do YOU think we've alienated?

"Vendicar Decarian" <VD@Pyro.net> wrote in message
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It would be more efficient to ask who the Corrupt Bush Administration
Hasn't
alienated.

"George" <george@george.net> wrote in message
news:oSwCb.1194$qq.645@bignews1.bellsouth.net...
If you have no answer, please refrain from babbling.

It would be more efficient to ask who the Corrupt Bush Administration
Hasn't
alienated.


I'm doing fine, thank you.
Vendicar Decarian
Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2003 3:40 pm
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I'm doing fine, thank you.

You certainly seem to think so.
George
Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2003 6:33 pm
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I'm doing fine, thank you.

You certainly seem to think so.


Yes, I do.
Vendicar Decarian
Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2003 10:36 pm
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"Vendicar Decarian" <VD@Pyro.net> wrote in message
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"George" <george@george.net> wrote in message
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I'm doing fine, thank you.

You certainly seem to think so.


Plotted Plant "George" <george@george.net> wrote in message
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Yes, I do.

Thus illustrating your selfsustaining delusion.
George
Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2003 9:49 am
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"Vendicar Decarian" <VD@Pyro.net> wrote in message
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"George" <george@george.net> wrote in message
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I'm doing fine, thank you.

You certainly seem to think so.


Plotted Plant "George" <george@george.net> wrote in message
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Yes, I do.

Thus illustrating your selfsustaining delusion.


Just because your life is little more than panty waste, doesn't mean that
the rest of us are living in similar conditions. Your miserable life
experience doesn't translate to others. I suggest you get out more often.
Vendicar Decarian
Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2003 10:56 pm
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Plotted Plant "George" <george@george.net> wrote in message
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Yes, I do.

"Vendicar Decarian" <VD@Pyro.net> wrote in message
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Thus illustrating your selfsustaining delusion.


Plotted Plant "George" <george@george.net> wrote in message
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Just because your life is little more than panty waste, doesn't mean that
the rest of us are living in similar conditions. Your miserable life
experience doesn't translate to others. I suggest you get out more often.

Inferiors like George always resort to childish personal invective when they
lose the argument.

Snicker.
George
Posted: Fri Dec 19, 2003 1:05 am
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Plotted Plant "George" <george@george.net> wrote in message
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Yes, I do.

"Vendicar Decarian" <VD@Pyro.net> wrote in message
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Thus illustrating your selfsustaining delusion.


Plotted Plant "George" <george@george.net> wrote in message
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Just because your life is little more than panty waste, doesn't mean
that
the rest of us are living in similar conditions. Your miserable life
experience doesn't translate to others. I suggest you get out more
often.

Inferiors like George always resort to childish personal invective when
they
lose the argument.

Snicker.


"Thus illustrating your selfsustaining delusion." Sound familiar?
Vendicar Decarian
Posted: Sat Dec 20, 2003 10:01 pm
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Quote:

"Vendicar Decarian" <VD@Pyro.net> wrote in message
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Inferiors like George always resort to childish personal invective when
they
lose the argument.

"George" <george@george.net> wrote in message
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Quote:
"Thus illustrating your selfsustaining delusion." Sound familiar?

George, you have proven your inferiority. This is an accurate
characteristic of yours and not an insult at all.

How long have you been insisting that facts are insults George?

Quite Pathetic.
 
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