And why not?

Europe has a much more severe emerging gas shortage than the US.
If the US has a 'gas cliff' then Europe has a 'gas precipice'.

Andrew MacKillop <andrewmckillop@compuserve.com> wrote:

Someone wrote:

And why not?

As Boltzman said, [paraphrasing], the end of human life is the constant
quest for energy.

Resource wars exist now and will be coming to an
oilfield-gasfield-battlefield near you (Rome, Paris, Bonn, London,
Houston, Toronto?) soon.

A resurgence of Nazi ideology in Germany,
and an emboldened EU in consort with power hungry Putin would make
for an interesting future vis a vis the US policies of empire and
pre-emption and all that....

How were things in North Korea and Iran this week?

Europe has a much more severe emerging gas shortage than the US.
If the US has a 'gas cliff' then Europe has a 'gas precipice'.

Central Asia is vital to European gas security, and Russia holds all the
real and existing (not fantasy traces on paper or digital maps) pipelines
and transport infrastructure.

So Europe has to play the Russian card. So Germany and France cosied up to
Putin on Iraq, while of course turning a big blind eye to Putin's
atrocities in Chechnya (nobody talks about Chechnya in Europe
anymore Must not offend Putin!).

But that can only go on so long because there isnt enough for all players -
USA, China, India and Pakistan are also counting on that Central Asian gas

Altogether, and so far, 7 nuclear weapons states have "vital and diverging
interests" in this region.

A McKillop
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The above suggests that it may well be too late
to do anything with respect to the energy crisis.

The above suggests that it may well be too late
to do anything with respect to the energy crisis.

However, doing "nothing" with respect to the developing threat
guarantees that we will suffer the total and all-out use of all
Nuclear and other Weapons Of Mass Murder as the world's larger
nations vie for more than their share of the remaining energy
pie.

The smaller nations? They will be told to not even think
of asking for oil and gas, and to not dare to try to deny the
larger nations unfetterred access to their remaining supplies,
if some exist.

Alas, my predictions have come true.

Due to a general lack of spine in those who dared not do other
than support the spread of societal insanity,

there is little that can now be done
to help avert our path to an insane end.

Thank you.

Daniel J. Lavigne
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Say "Enough!" to societal insanity.

Help bring about the changes that must take place.

Join the Tax Refusal.

Act on your now recognized right and duty to refuse to
support a society that would be party to Mass Murder.

What you arer likely to see is incremental increases in discoveries
into alternative energy and renewables that will sudenly become
viable solutions to the present fuel source - crude oil. Electrolosis
of water into H2 and O will suddenly become cost effective, Plants
will be found that will yeild larger than normal quantities of
vegatable oils bio-diesel or starch for alcohol.

The smaller nations? They will be told to not even think
of asking for oil and gas, and to not dare to try to deny the
larger nations unfetterred access to their remaining supplies,
if some exist.

What's more likely to happen is, if they're smart, they'll dump
their crude on the market and use the profits to delve directly
into renewable research.

Alas, my predictions have come true.

Really? Please provide a prediction of yours that came true.

Due to a general lack of spine in those who dared not do other
than support the spread of societal insanity,

Explain this jibberish. What insanity does your twisted way of
thinking see spreading?

there is little that can now be done
to help avert our path to an insane end.

The typical sign of a Liberal Socialist Commie. Grand statements
followed by nothing of any substance OR recommendation. Just more
"Woe is me, Woe is you, Woe is the world. We're all gonna die".
What a spineless, panty waisted, pencil neck.

Thank you.

Daniel J. Lavigne
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Say "Enough!" to societal insanity.

Help bring about the changes that must take place.

Oh, this will help. Stop sending in your money to the
only people who protect you and provide you your security.

Join the Tax Refusal.

Act on your now recognized right and duty to refuse to
support a society that would be party to Mass Murder.

Look at yourself in the mirror bonehead. Right there is
the person who will commit the mass murder you fear.
You do that by running away. Coward.

Mike

"Mike O'Barr" <obiw231@cs.com> wrote in message
news:a67c3034.0312020244.e6b9532@posting.google.com...

What you arer likely to see is incremental increases in discoveries
into alternative energy and renewables that will sudenly become
viable solutions to the present fuel source - crude oil. Electrolosis
of water into H2 and O will suddenly become cost effective, Plants
will be found that will yeild larger than normal quantities of
vegatable oils bio-diesel or starch for alcohol.


When you burn fuel to make hydrogen via electrolosis, it will
never be cost or energy effective.

K. Jones wrote:
"Mike O'Barr" <obiw231@cs.com> wrote in message
news:a67c3034.0312020244.e6b9532@posting.google.com...

What you arer likely to see is incremental increases in discoveries
into alternative energy and renewables that will sudenly become
viable solutions to the present fuel source - crude oil. Electrolosis
of water into H2 and O will suddenly become cost effective, Plants
will be found that will yeild larger than normal quantities of
vegatable oils bio-diesel or starch for alcohol.


When you burn fuel to make hydrogen via electrolosis, it will
never be cost or energy effective.

Generally true. However, there are a number of energy sources that
don't involve combustion. and which produce electricity at times of the
day that do not track well with the electricity demand. Storing that
energy by generating hydrogen with electrolysis makes a lot of sense.

Also bear in mind that normal cars are very inefficient at recovering
the available energy in the fuel they burn. Big power plants are much
more efficient, so that fossil fuel -> electricity -> hydrogen
-> fuel cell vehicle is not that much worse than most cars. Hybrid cars
(Toyota, Honda), and high efficiency diesels (Volkswagon), do much better.