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Posted: Thu Aug 17, 2006 10:39 pm
Hi
I've read a little about the MIT effort to use nanotubes to increase
the "surface area" of capacitors. I was curious if there was any
effort to do the same for solar panels? In other words I'm wondering
if anyone is researching the use of nano-technology to increase the
efficiency of solar panels.

Just a curious non-scientist wondering when I'll be able to pick up
that 3ft solar panel and capacitor combination that will power my house
at Walmart... ;-)

Thanks
Steve O'Hara-Smith
Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2006 10:14 am
Guest
On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 01:39:03 -0000
splever@gmail.com wrote:


Quote:
Just a curious non-scientist wondering when I'll be able to pick up
that 3ft solar panel and capacitor combination that will power my house
at Walmart... Wink

Even if it were 100% efficient a 3ft (square) solar panel will only
pick up something like 800 watts on a clear day in an equatorial desert,
and rather less in other parts of the world and weather conditions.
Needless to say that 100% efficiency is not possible but the kind of
cheap atomically precise engineering that MNT promises should make it
feasible to get as close as possible to it as well as providing means to
improve the energy efficiency of the house - oh yes and perhaps eliminate
the need for Walmart :)

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Guest
Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2006 10:14 am
Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote:
Quote:
On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 01:39:03 -0000
splever@gmail.com wrote:


Just a curious non-scientist wondering when I'll be able to pick up
that 3ft solar panel and capacitor combination that will power my house
at Walmart... ;-)

Even if it were 100% efficient a 3ft (square) solar panel will only
pick up something like 800 watts on a clear day in an equatorial desert,
and rather less in other parts of the world and weather conditions.
Needless to say that 100% efficiency is not possible but the kind of
cheap atomically precise engineering that MNT promises should make it
feasible to get as close as possible to it as well as providing means to
improve the energy efficiency of the house - oh yes and perhaps eliminate
the need for Walmart :)

--
C:>WIN | Directable Mirror Arrays
The computer obeys and wins. | A better way to focus the sun
You lose and Bill collects. | licences available see
| http://www.sohara.org/

Thank you very much for the reply!

I thought that the use of nanotubes or nanotechnology enabled an
"increase in surface area". The analogy I remember reading compared a
washcloth to a towel. Because the towel has cloth "hairs", it can
absorb many times the amount of water a washcloth of the same height
and width. In the capacitor example, adding nanotechnology "hairs" to
the capacitor enabled it to provide the performance of a capacitor
geometrically larger.

So if the same theory could be applied to a solar panel, then a 3 foot
square "nano solar panel" could "absorb" many times more energy. I was
wondering if anyone was working doing researching to make that
possible.
John.S.Novak@panix.com, I
Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2006 10:22 am
Guest
In article <12er9hv3v7u0v36@news.supernews.com>, splever@gmail.com
says...

Quote:
Thank you very much for the reply!

I thought that the use of nanotubes or nanotechnology enabled an
"increase in surface area". The analogy I remember reading compared a
washcloth to a towel. Because the towel has cloth "hairs", it can
absorb many times the amount of water a washcloth of the same height
and width. In the capacitor example, adding nanotechnology "hairs" to
the capacitor enabled it to provide the performance of a capacitor
geometrically larger.

So if the same theory could be applied to a solar panel, then a 3 foot
square "nano solar panel" could "absorb" many times more energy. I was
wondering if anyone was working doing researching to make that
possible.

No, because there's a fundamental misunderstanding in there about the
way solar energy works. Capacitors do indeed store energy in proportion
to their surface area. I will not detail the physics, but the effect is
such that your example is on the right track, for capacitors-- you can
make a capacitor smaller in volume by clever arrangements of two
parallel plates in space. To see this, take two sheets of paper and
stack them on top of one another. Now roll them up loosely. Same
capacitance, because the area and distance between the plates is the
same. Now roll them up tighter-- same capacitance again for the same
reason, but the total volume is smaller.

Solar panels don't work that way. Because they're flat to most
definitions, people often refer to the surface area of a solar panel as
its dominating factor, but that's technically incorrect. It is the
cross section of a solar panel, versus some source of visible light
flux, that determines how much energy you can capture. Whether the
surface is rough or smooth doesn't matter, only how much energy is
actually there in that cross section.

--
John S. Novak, III
The Humblest Man On The Net
 
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