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| Pentcho Valev |
 Posted: Wed Jun 14, 2006 12:18 pm |
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Relativity hypnotists:
http://www.physlink.com/Education/AskExperts/ae13.cfm :
"So, it is absolutely true that the speed of light is _not_ constant in
a gravitational field [which, by the equivalence principle, applies as
well to accelerating (non-inertial) frames of reference]...... Indeed,
this is exactly how Einstein did the calculation in:
'On the Influence of Gravitation on the Propagation of Light,' Annalen
der Physik, 35, 1911.
which predated the full formal development of general relativity by
about four years. This paper is widely available in English. You can
find a copy beginning on page 99 of the Dover book 'The Principle of
Relativity.' You will find in section 3 of that paper, Einstein's
derivation of the (variable) speed of light in a gravitational
potential, eqn (3). The result is,
c' = c0 ( 1 + V / c2 )
where V is the gravitational potential relative to the point where the
speed of light c0 is measured."
Other relativity hypnotists:
http://www.courses.fas.harvard.edu/~phys16/Textbook/ch13.pdf pp.2-4
Note that V=gh=cv. Substitute this in Einstein's formula and you obtain
c'=c+v.
The zombie world should immediately stop worshipping at the portrait of
Einstein (who irreversibly destroyed rationality in science) and start
worshipping at the portriat of the martyr, Bryan Wallace (who tried to
reverse the irreversible):
http://www.ekkehard-friebe.de/wallace.htm
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| Edward Green |
| Posted: Wed Jun 14, 2006 5:46 pm |
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Pentcho Valev wrote:
[quote:5fad4e9947]Relativity hypnotists:
http://www.physlink.com/Education/AskExperts/ae13.cfm :
"So, it is absolutely true that the speed of light is _not_ constant in
a gravitational field [which, by the equivalence principle, applies as
well to accelerating (non-inertial) frames of reference]...... Indeed,
this is exactly how Einstein did the calculation in:
'On the Influence of Gravitation on the Propagation of Light,' Annalen
der Physik, 35, 1911.
which predated the full formal development of general relativity by
about four years. This paper is widely available in English. You can
find a copy beginning on page 99 of the Dover book 'The Principle of
Relativity.' You will find in section 3 of that paper, Einstein's
derivation of the (variable) speed of light in a gravitational
potential, eqn (3). The result is,
c' = c0 ( 1 + V / c2 )
where V is the gravitational potential relative to the point where the
speed of light c0 is measured."
Other relativity hypnotists:
http://www.courses.fas.harvard.edu/~phys16/Textbook/ch13.pdf pp.2-4
Note that V=gh=cv. Substitute this in Einstein's formula and you obtain
c'=c+v.
[/quote:5fad4e9947]
Very interesting.
[quote:5fad4e9947]The zombie world should immediately stop worshipping at the portrait of
Einstein (who irreversibly destroyed rationality in science) and start
worshipping at the portriat of the martyr, Bryan Wallace (who tried to
reverse the irreversible):
http://www.ekkehard-friebe.de/wallace.htm
[/quote:5fad4e9947]
A great deal less interesting.
A number of self-appointed guardians of physics (as the phrase often
goes) attach great importance to certain extra-mathematical ideas, such
as that we _must not_ suppose that any remark Einstein may have made
about General Relativity and aether, less dismissive than "Aether...
shoo" can be taken to refer to something more or less like space, and
not not spacetime, and that we _must not_ think that General Relativity
can be understood to say that the speed of light or the rate of
physical processes may differ from point to point -- this being an
a-geometric heresy.
Who cares. Many people, even people scoring very high on some
intelligence scales, are idiots. Physicists are not exempt.
Einstein himself was quite smart, though he was still no Einstein. |
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| Sam Wormley |
| Posted: Wed Jun 14, 2006 5:53 pm |
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Edward Green wrote:
[quote:f6503d8c7a]Einstein himself was quite smart, though he was still no Einstein.
[/quote:f6503d8c7a] |
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| dda1 |
| Posted: Wed Jun 14, 2006 6:11 pm |
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Edward Green wrote:
[quote:ba2d4ee0ac]Pentcho Valev wrote:
Relativity hypnotists:
http://www.physlink.com/Education/AskExperts/ae13.cfm :
"So, it is absolutely true that the speed of light is _not_ constant in
a gravitational field [which, by the equivalence principle, applies as
well to accelerating (non-inertial) frames of reference]...... Indeed,
this is exactly how Einstein did the calculation in:
'On the Influence of Gravitation on the Propagation of Light,' Annalen
der Physik, 35, 1911.
which predated the full formal development of general relativity by
about four years. This paper is widely available in English. You can
find a copy beginning on page 99 of the Dover book 'The Principle of
Relativity.' You will find in section 3 of that paper, Einstein's
derivation of the (variable) speed of light in a gravitational
potential, eqn (3). The result is,
c' = c0 ( 1 + V / c2 )
where V is the gravitational potential relative to the point where the
speed of light c0 is measured."
Other relativity hypnotists:
http://www.courses.fas.harvard.edu/~phys16/Textbook/ch13.pdf pp.2-4
Note that V=gh=cv. Substitute this in Einstein's formula and you obtain
c'=c+v.
Very interesting.
The zombie world should immediately stop worshipping at the portrait of
Einstein (who irreversibly destroyed rationality in science) and start
worshipping at the portriat of the martyr, Bryan Wallace (who tried to
reverse the irreversible):
http://www.ekkehard-friebe.de/wallace.htm
A great deal less interesting.
A number of self-appointed guardians of physics (as the phrase often
goes) attach great importance to certain extra-mathematical ideas, such
as that we _must not_ suppose that any remark Einstein may have made
about General Relativity and aether, less dismissive than "Aether...
shoo" can be taken to refer to something more or less like space, and
not not spacetime, and that we _must not_ think that General Relativity
can be understood to say that the speed of light or the rate of
physical processes may differ from point to point -- this being an
a-geometric heresy.
Who cares. Many people, even people scoring very high on some
intelligence scales, are idiots. Physicists are not exempt.
Einstein himself was quite smart, though he was still no Einstein.
[/quote:ba2d4ee0ac]
Hi, I don't know if you know but Paunchy Panche Valdez (Pentcho Velev)
is a troll of the lowest kind, so you are wasting your time on him. |
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| Pentcho Valev |
| Posted: Fri Jun 16, 2006 9:34 am |
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Pentcho Valev wrote:
[quote:61d5d4fbae]Relativity hypnotists:
http://www.physlink.com/Education/AskExperts/ae13.cfm :
"So, it is absolutely true that the speed of light is _not_ constant in
a gravitational field [which, by the equivalence principle, applies as
well to accelerating (non-inertial) frames of reference]...... Indeed,
this is exactly how Einstein did the calculation in:
'On the Influence of Gravitation on the Propagation of Light,' Annalen
der Physik, 35, 1911.
which predated the full formal development of general relativity by
about four years. This paper is widely available in English. You can
find a copy beginning on page 99 of the Dover book 'The Principle of
Relativity.' You will find in section 3 of that paper, Einstein's
derivation of the (variable) speed of light in a gravitational
potential, eqn (3). The result is,
c' = c0 ( 1 + V / c2 )
where V is the gravitational potential relative to the point where the
speed of light c0 is measured."
Other relativity hypnotists:
http://www.courses.fas.harvard.edu/~phys16/Textbook/ch13.pdf pp.2-4
Note that V=gh=cv. Substitute this in Einstein's formula and you obtain
c'=c+v.
The zombie world should immediately stop worshipping at the portrait of
Einstein (who irreversibly destroyed rationality in science) and start
worshipping at the portriat of the martyr, Bryan Wallace (who tried to
reverse the irreversible):
http://www.ekkehard-friebe.de/wallace.htm
[/quote:61d5d4fbae]
And Einstein's zombies should never forget the divine words (that can
be found in Bryan Wallace's "THE FARCE OF PHYSICS"):
Albert Einstein:
"If the speed of light is the least bit affected by the speed of the
light source, then my whole theory of relativity and theory of gravity
is false."
"I consider it quite possible that physics cannot be based on the field
concept,i.e., on continuous structures. In that case, nothing remains
of my entire castle in the air, gravitation theory included, [and of]
the rest of modern physics."
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| Sorcerer |
| Posted: Fri Jun 16, 2006 10:06 am |
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Nope, it is Georges Sagnac's discovery.
http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Sagnac/Sagnac.htm
Androcles
"Pentcho Valev" <pvalev@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1150472045.285917.85410@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
| Pentcho Valev wrote:
| > Relativity hypnotists:
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| > http://www.physlink.com/Education/AskExperts/ae13.cfm :
| >
| > "So, it is absolutely true that the speed of light is _not_ constant in
| > a gravitational field [which, by the equivalence principle, applies as
| > well to accelerating (non-inertial) frames of reference]...... Indeed,
| > this is exactly how Einstein did the calculation in:
| >
| > 'On the Influence of Gravitation on the Propagation of Light,' Annalen
| > der Physik, 35, 1911.
| >
| > which predated the full formal development of general relativity by
| > about four years. This paper is widely available in English. You can
| > find a copy beginning on page 99 of the Dover book 'The Principle of
| > Relativity.' You will find in section 3 of that paper, Einstein's
| > derivation of the (variable) speed of light in a gravitational
| > potential, eqn (3). The result is,
| >
| > c' = c0 ( 1 + V / c2 )
| >
| > where V is the gravitational potential relative to the point where the
| > speed of light c0 is measured."
| >
| > Other relativity hypnotists:
| >
| > http://www.courses.fas.harvard.edu/~phys16/Textbook/ch13.pdf pp.2-4
| >
| > Note that V=gh=cv. Substitute this in Einstein's formula and you obtain
| > c'=c+v.
| >
| > The zombie world should immediately stop worshipping at the portrait of
| > Einstein (who irreversibly destroyed rationality in science) and start
| > worshipping at the portriat of the martyr, Bryan Wallace (who tried to
| > reverse the irreversible):
| >
| > http://www.ekkehard-friebe.de/wallace.htm
|
| And Einstein's zombies should never forget the divine words (that can
| be found in Bryan Wallace's "THE FARCE OF PHYSICS"):
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| Albert Einstein:
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| "If the speed of light is the least bit affected by the speed of the
| light source, then my whole theory of relativity and theory of gravity
| is false."
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| "I consider it quite possible that physics cannot be based on the field
| concept,i.e., on continuous structures. In that case, nothing remains
| of my entire castle in the air, gravitation theory included, [and of]
| the rest of modern physics."
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| Pentcho Valev
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| Pentcho Valev |
| Posted: Fri Jun 16, 2006 10:16 am |
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Of course it is Georges Sagnac's discovery if you mean the Einstein
period. If Albert the Juggler had not confused everything, it would be
no discovery at all - just a trivial corollary of Newton's particle
model of light.
Pentcho Valev
Sorcerer wrote:
[quote:f0d1683227]Nope, it is Georges Sagnac's discovery.
http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Sagnac/Sagnac.htm
Androcles
"Pentcho Valev" <pvalev@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1150472045.285917.85410@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
| Pentcho Valev wrote:
| > Relativity hypnotists:
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| > http://www.physlink.com/Education/AskExperts/ae13.cfm :
|
| > "So, it is absolutely true that the speed of light is _not_ constant in
| > a gravitational field [which, by the equivalence principle, applies as
| > well to accelerating (non-inertial) frames of reference]...... Indeed,
| > this is exactly how Einstein did the calculation in:
|
| > 'On the Influence of Gravitation on the Propagation of Light,' Annalen
| > der Physik, 35, 1911.
|
| > which predated the full formal development of general relativity by
| > about four years. This paper is widely available in English. You can
| > find a copy beginning on page 99 of the Dover book 'The Principle of
| > Relativity.' You will find in section 3 of that paper, Einstein's
| > derivation of the (variable) speed of light in a gravitational
| > potential, eqn (3). The result is,
|
| > c' = c0 ( 1 + V / c2 )
|
| > where V is the gravitational potential relative to the point where the
| > speed of light c0 is measured."
|
| > Other relativity hypnotists:
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| > http://www.courses.fas.harvard.edu/~phys16/Textbook/ch13.pdf pp.2-4
|
| > Note that V=gh=cv. Substitute this in Einstein's formula and you obtain
| > c'=c+v.
|
| > The zombie world should immediately stop worshipping at the portrait of
| > Einstein (who irreversibly destroyed rationality in science) and start
| > worshipping at the portriat of the martyr, Bryan Wallace (who tried to
| > reverse the irreversible):
|
| > http://www.ekkehard-friebe.de/wallace.htm
|
| And Einstein's zombies should never forget the divine words (that can
| be found in Bryan Wallace's "THE FARCE OF PHYSICS"):
|
| Albert Einstein:
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| "If the speed of light is the least bit affected by the speed of the
| light source, then my whole theory of relativity and theory of gravity
| is false."
|
| "I consider it quite possible that physics cannot be based on the field
| concept,i.e., on continuous structures. In that case, nothing remains
| of my entire castle in the air, gravitation theory included, [and of]
| the rest of modern physics."
|
| Pentcho Valev
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| JanPB |
| Posted: Fri Jun 16, 2006 10:19 am |
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Pentcho Valev wrote:
[quote:fa18e89ed2][...]
[/quote:fa18e89ed2]
What a moron.
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| Sorcerer |
| Posted: Fri Jun 16, 2006 10:41 am |
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Yes, well, Newton would have known once Ole Roemer made his
measurement. The real problems began when an 18-year-old pronounced
Algol was an eclipsing binary. John Goodricke was dead at the age of
22, he might have thought what effect a moving star would have on
the velocity of the light it sent. After that, aether kicked in. Algol is
as star and planet, and the planet is named "Androcles" after it's
discoverer.
I'm also the discoverer of "Cassandra" in orbit about delta-Cepheus,
so named because Cassandra spoke truth but was not believed.
I find it pitiful that it takes hundreds of years to correct the blunders
of the past. 1400 years to fix Ptolemy's epicycles, but they at least
were more plausible than Einstein's garbage.
It all reduces to intuition, the worst tool a scientist has.
It is intuitive to believe what we see, so sticks bend when you immerse
them in water...
It is also intuitive and axiomatic that c' = c+v, and so we have
to give up one intuition or the other. Einstein chose the wrong one,
and Goodricke was too young to even think about it.
Maybe in 500 years some people will wake up.
Androcles.
"Pentcho Valev" <pvalev@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1150474560.766728.75220@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com...
| Of course it is Georges Sagnac's discovery if you mean the Einstein
| period. If Albert the Juggler had not confused everything, it would be
| no discovery at all - just a trivial corollary of Newton's particle
| model of light.
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| Pentcho Valev
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| Sorcerer wrote:
| > Nope, it is Georges Sagnac's discovery.
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| > http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Sagnac/Sagnac.htm
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| > Androcles
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| > "Pentcho Valev" <pvalev@yahoo.com> wrote in message
| > news:1150472045.285917.85410@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
| > | Pentcho Valev wrote:
| > | > Relativity hypnotists:
| > | >
| > | > http://www.physlink.com/Education/AskExperts/ae13.cfm :
| > | >
| > | > "So, it is absolutely true that the speed of light is _not_ constant
in
| > | > a gravitational field [which, by the equivalence principle, applies
as
| > | > well to accelerating (non-inertial) frames of reference]......
Indeed,
| > | > this is exactly how Einstein did the calculation in:
| > | >
| > | > 'On the Influence of Gravitation on the Propagation of Light,'
Annalen
| > | > der Physik, 35, 1911.
| > | >
| > | > which predated the full formal development of general relativity by
| > | > about four years. This paper is widely available in English. You can
| > | > find a copy beginning on page 99 of the Dover book 'The Principle of
| > | > Relativity.' You will find in section 3 of that paper, Einstein's
| > | > derivation of the (variable) speed of light in a gravitational
| > | > potential, eqn (3). The result is,
| > | >
| > | > c' = c0 ( 1 + V / c2 )
| > | >
| > | > where V is the gravitational potential relative to the point where
the
| > | > speed of light c0 is measured."
| > | >
| > | > Other relativity hypnotists:
| > | >
| > | > http://www.courses.fas.harvard.edu/~phys16/Textbook/ch13.pdf pp.2-4
| > | >
| > | > Note that V=gh=cv. Substitute this in Einstein's formula and you
obtain
| > | > c'=c+v.
| > | >
| > | > The zombie world should immediately stop worshipping at the portrait
of
| > | > Einstein (who irreversibly destroyed rationality in science) and
start
| > | > worshipping at the portriat of the martyr, Bryan Wallace (who tried
to
| > | > reverse the irreversible):
| > | >
| > | > http://www.ekkehard-friebe.de/wallace.htm
| > |
| > | And Einstein's zombies should never forget the divine words (that can
| > | be found in Bryan Wallace's "THE FARCE OF PHYSICS"):
| > |
| > | Albert Einstein:
| > |
| > | "If the speed of light is the least bit affected by the speed of the
| > | light source, then my whole theory of relativity and theory of gravity
| > | is false."
| > |
| > | "I consider it quite possible that physics cannot be based on the
field
| > | concept,i.e., on continuous structures. In that case, nothing remains
| > | of my entire castle in the air, gravitation theory included, [and of]
| > | the rest of modern physics."
| > |
| > | Pentcho Valev
| > |
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| Sorcerer |
| Posted: Fri Jun 16, 2006 10:43 am |
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| Pentcho Valev wrote:
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| Jan Bielawski
What an imbecile.
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