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James Harris
Posted: Fri Feb 20, 2004 8:39 am
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I don't know how many of you will read through my previous long post,
so here's a shorter version in the same subject area to hopefully
improve my odds.

Basically mathematicians currently teach that there's a fundamental
mathematical limitation on irrational roots of polynomials, like
unless all of their roots have simple radical factors, like sqrt(2),
they can't have an integer other than 1 or -1, like 2, as a factor
where the domain here is one where integers other than -1 or 1 like 2
is itself not a factor of 1.

(That is, no 1/2, or 1/3 here, as then you have 3(1/3) = 1.)

That in a very concise space is the area of disagreement as I say
that's wrong.

It turns out that even irrational roots can have the full spectrum of
factors including integer factors, without them all needing to have
the *same* factor, and that the basis for the mathematicians' belief
that they can't is spurious.

That basis is our inability to *look* at the roots of something like

x^2 + 7x + 2, and *see* where that 2 has gone, like we can with

x^2 + 3x + 2 = (x+2)(x+1)

as mathematicians hadn't figured out a way to do it before I came
along, and some of them decided that for that reason it was
mathematically impossible.

The gist of their position is that rational roots, like integers, can
do one thing, but irrational roots must do something different.

The problem is that with the mathematical tools they used, they
couldn't ever get past a fundamental limitation that with irrational
roots you need at *least* two roots to get integers.

That's it. That's what all the fighting and arguing is about, as I
figured out that their current number system was incomplete once you
realized the above, and that you need a more complete arena of numbers
and then you have a concise and consistent system.

It's actually easier, and it makes sense, and you don't have silly
limitations on irrationals.

Is it important for physics or cognitive scientists?

I think it is important for cognitive scientists because I think
mathematicians aren't thinking properly!

As for physics, current physics theories don't necessarily depend, to
my knowledge, on factors between irrational numbers, but if they ever
do, then we're in trouble.

Those of you who believe that discrete physics is the answer should
feel a lot more anxiety, as what I'm saying is that mathematicians
have an idea which may get in the way of those who do research in
discrete physics, if they trust mathematicians!

It's like, they'll train you wrong.

If you don't do research that uses mathematical tools in the area, you
probably are ok, if you do, then you may not have the capacity, based
on the math you're taught, to get a correct theory.

For all we know now, humanity may be stuck at a point that can't be
passed in the arena of physics while we don't have a handle on our
mathematics.

Besides, hey, the mathematicians have an error in thinking here. It's
rather easy to show it's an error, if people will accept logic, and I
just don't see why they should be allowed to just hang on to it.


James Harris
Uncle Al
Posted: Fri Feb 20, 2004 11:23 am
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James Harris wrote:
Quote:

I don't know how many of you will read through my previous long post,
so here's a shorter version in the same subject area to hopefully
improve my odds.
[snip]


Not even wrong.

Your ignorance, incompetence, and psychosis are not of interest to the
world at large. Quite the contrary. You are not even an interesting
laughingstock.

Hey stooopid loud troll James "Always in error, never in doubt!"
Harris, put up or shut up. James Harris, King of the Primes! Where
are your sceptor and crown, delusional James Harris, your regal
clothes? Is a $10,000 prize no questions asked too small to justify
your submission of two little prime numbers? Or are you a psychotic
impotent gelding?

http://www.rsasecurity.com/rsalabs/challenges/factoring/faq.html
http://www.rsasecurity.com/rsalabs/challenges/factoring/numbers.html
http://www.crank.net/harris.html
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David C. Ullrich
Posted: Sat Feb 21, 2004 6:29 am
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On 20 Feb 2004 05:39:34 -0800, jstevh@msn.com (James Harris) wrote:

Quote:
I don't know how many of you will read through my previous long post,
so here's a shorter version in the same subject area to hopefully
improve my odds.

Basically mathematicians currently teach that there's a fundamental
mathematical limitation on irrational roots of polynomials, like
unless all of their roots have simple radical factors, like sqrt(2),
they can't have an integer other than 1 or -1, like 2, as a factor
where the domain here is one where integers other than -1 or 1 like 2
is itself not a factor of 1.

This is meaningless until you specify what _sort_ of "factors"
you're talking about. (real numbers? What you just said is
false, and nobody's ever said it was true. Algebraic numbers?
What you just said is false, and nobody ever said it's true.
Rational numbers? What you just said makes no sense.
Algebraic integers? I don't know whether it's true or not -
if it's true it's not something that people have said is false.)

Quote:
(That is, no 1/2, or 1/3 here, as then you have 3(1/3) = 1.)

That in a very concise space is the area of disagreement as I say
that's wrong.

It turns out that even irrational roots can have the full spectrum of
factors including integer factors, without them all needing to have
the *same* factor, and that the basis for the mathematicians' belief
that they can't is spurious.

That basis is our inability to *look* at the roots of something like

x^2 + 7x + 2, and *see* where that 2 has gone, like we can with

x^2 + 3x + 2 = (x+2)(x+1)

as mathematicians hadn't figured out a way to do it before I came
along, and some of them decided that for that reason it was
mathematically impossible.

The gist of their position is that rational roots, like integers, can
do one thing, but irrational roots must do something different.

The problem is that with the mathematical tools they used, they
couldn't ever get past a fundamental limitation that with irrational
roots you need at *least* two roots to get integers.

That's it. That's what all the fighting and arguing is about, as I
figured out that their current number system was incomplete once you
realized the above, and that you need a more complete arena of numbers
and then you have a concise and consistent system.

It's actually easier, and it makes sense, and you don't have silly
limitations on irrationals.

Is it important for physics or cognitive scientists?

I think it is important for cognitive scientists because I think
mathematicians aren't thinking properly!

As for physics, current physics theories don't necessarily depend, to
my knowledge, on factors between irrational numbers, but if they ever
do, then we're in trouble.

Those of you who believe that discrete physics is the answer should
feel a lot more anxiety, as what I'm saying is that mathematicians
have an idea which may get in the way of those who do research in
discrete physics, if they trust mathematicians!

It's like, they'll train you wrong.

If you don't do research that uses mathematical tools in the area, you
probably are ok, if you do, then you may not have the capacity, based
on the math you're taught, to get a correct theory.

For all we know now, humanity may be stuck at a point that can't be
passed in the arena of physics while we don't have a handle on our
mathematics.

Besides, hey, the mathematicians have an error in thinking here. It's
rather easy to show it's an error, if people will accept logic, and I
just don't see why they should be allowed to just hang on to it.


James Harris


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David C. Ullrich
The Ghost In The Machine
Posted: Sat Feb 21, 2004 3:59 pm
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In sci.logic, Uncle Al
<UncleAl0@hate.spam.net>
wrote
on Fri, 20 Feb 2004 08:23:58 -0800
<4036349E.C4D87B01@hate.spam.net>:
Quote:
James Harris wrote:

I don't know how many of you will read through my previous long post,
so here's a shorter version in the same subject area to hopefully
improve my odds.
[snip]

Not even wrong.

Your ignorance, incompetence, and psychosis are not of interest to the
world at large. Quite the contrary. You are not even an interesting
laughingstock.

Hey stooopid loud troll James "Always in error, never in doubt!"
Harris, put up or shut up. James Harris, King of the Primes! Where
are your sceptor and crown, delusional James Harris, your regal
clothes? Is a $10,000 prize no questions asked too small to justify
your submission of two little prime numbers? Or are you a psychotic
impotent gelding?

Update your diatribe Al; the $10K has been claimed already by
a team in Europe. He'll have to go for $20K / RSA-640 now. :-)

http://www.rsasecurity.com/rsalabs/challenges/factoring/rsa576.html

(It's just a measly additional 64 bits. Smile )



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