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| Inger E Johansson |
 Posted: Tue Feb 24, 2004 2:30 am |
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There are interesting details which add to the story of the Indians living
in the area between Lake Nipigon and Lake Nippising (north of the Great
Lakes). All who wrote about the first two hundred years travels in the area
have not been discussed. One of the more interesting persons was a monk
'brothe' Gabriel Sagard.
'Brother Gabriel Sagard' a French monk/priest who visited Huron County in
1623-24.
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/13324c.htm
"On his way to the Hurons, he acquired from Joseph Le Caron, his superior,
the first rudiments of their difficult tongue, so that on reaching his post
he began to catechize and baptize the Indians. He shared in the incredible
hardships of his companions. The provision of mass wine having been
exhausted, they had recourse to the juice of the wild grape (Vitis
Canadensis). "
then I continued by looking for his book which I found on net
http://www.americanjourneys.org/aj-129/summary/index.asp
by continuing using "view this document" I continued.
I would suggest you to read page 43.
Guess I don't have to remember you which Indian groups lived from Lake
Nipigon in west to Lake Nipissing in east.
http://www.ethnologue.com/show_language.asp?code=OJC" then in east came the
Hurons which Sagard visited and lived with for two years. Both group had a
neighbor group who used to travell up-rivers northward to sell furs once a
year. A route which took 20 days up to the sea according to one of the other
sources of the time, and 10 days from there to the merchandiser 'town' or
what we shall call it.
Please look into the ship's and harbor papers from Lynn, Bristol and London
for more information on ships carrying ivory, falcons and furs from 1200's
up to 1640.
As for Sagard's information about this can be found on page 86-87
(there is one 1535 AD document revealing same story)
Please read about the merchandise people in James Bay(probably or Dania Nova
area) who the Indians travelled to in order to sell their furs and notice
that a certain people came to that area travelling in wooden boats or ships
fulla med varor as axes(!) trousers with shoes.....
Please remember that Sagard visited the area in 1623-24. Of course Munk had
been in the Hudson Bay area in those days but since he lost his crew except
for a handful and since there is a document from 1535 telling about same
trade-route, it can't have been the English in Hudson Bay which is suggested
by the translator in a note page 87.
There are two groups of non-Indians mentioned. Those who lived in the
merchandise area and those who came with wooden ships selling axes and
cloths and carrying furs on their way back. The former I will return to. Who
the later was? Hadn't it been for the fact that the North Western Passage at
that time made it impossible for the Chinese to sail north of Alaska
eastward to Hudson Bay they might have been the ones, that's true.
As it is we have to look at the ships with the named cargo which arrived
Europe up to 1640. While we know that there were up to 800 ships each year
travelling to Bergen either from Greenland or Iceland with cargo to be
reloaded to other ships(1200-1481) or carrying cargo from Bergen to other
parts of the continent especially before the Hansa Leage took controll over
the traderoutes from Bergen.
Those who can read Norwegian can have more information re the trade-routes
from Bergen to England and the European continent reading:
up to 1300: http://www.uib.no/bmu/utstil/middel.htm
1360 - 1754: http://www.hanseatisk.museum.no/guide/guide.htm
In this question, as well as in many other it's essential to have at least
some pre-knowledge of what was known about North America's inner parts
especially the area we today call Hudson Bay in the days before Hudson and
later Munk visited the area.
Hondius' maps and history:
http://www.worldviewmaps.com/cartographers/jodocus_hondius_family.html
Take time to look more closely on the Greenland enlargen map within the map.
That's interesting to say the least.
Ortelius, background information:
http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/gmdhtml/gnrlort.html
for Atlas and worldmaps please 'click' on the image of the Atlas in upper
left corner, click on image(as instructed in the opened url) and from the
url opened chose 'maps only'. There you will find that the later called
Hudson Bay is shown on two of the maps. Please remember that Ortelius edited
his Atlas 1570.
Some of you have had other early maps sent to you over the years. Please
compare the information you gained from the fur-trade mentioned above with
them. Especially the Agnese 1520's map.
More and the continued link to Beardmore viking grave area from Viking age
up to 1540 will follow within a week.
Inger E |
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