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C. Bond
Posted: Sun Nov 30, 2003 12:53 pm
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James Harris wrote:

Quote:
"C. Bond" <cbond@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message news:<3FC94925.7A2A0B2@ix.netcom.com>...

[snip]

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Why don't *you* explain how it works? If your discovery is as important as you claim it is, the proper
course of action is to write a paper describing its operation in great detail. Either publish the paper in
a reputable journal or publish it yourself. But why in the world are you asking *other* people to explain
how it works?

I've explained in the past but noticed that other posters would just
use information I provided to try and confuse others. Yup, they'd
pervert the process.

What process? Nothing prevents you from publishing a complete, detailed exposition of your discovery with
unambiguous, step-by-step examples of its operation and explanation of the operating theory. Any decent
researcher would do so as a matter of course.

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Here, by not explaining first in this thread, I'm showing readers that
all these people trying to convince them that my prime area discovery
is in fact unimportant, are in fact, lying.

Unimportant? To whom? Each reader is entitled to judge its importance for themselves. It is decidedly
unimportant to me and I'm entitled to say so. So far, it appears that your discovery is only important to
*you*. You are entitled to make that judgment. Others are equally entitled to make theirs.

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If they're not lying then they have the expertise to answer the
question of how my partial difference equation works.

If they are not lying, then they are sincere in their judgment that your discovery is unimportant. If it is
unimportant (to them) they will have little interest or motivation in doing your work for you. It is *your* job
to explain how it works. It is each reader's job to determine whether your discovery is of any use to him.

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You have succeeded in elevating idiocy to unprecedented heights, Wacky. Go back to your playpen.


The essential point is that I'm someone who made a nice discovery in
the area of prime numbers, but rather than at a minimum acknowledge my
discovery, mathematicians chose to ignore or downplay it.

Tough luck. No one is under any obligation to value your work. Each reader has a "right" to ignore your work or
to downplay or even condemn it.

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It's clearly a political decision at odds with claims of
mathematicians about the importance to them of "pure math" or beauty,
or math for math's sake.

Political? How does politics enter into this? The issues of pure math, beauty, or math for math's sake are
philosophical matters, not political ones. The choice to ignore or downplay your work is a judgment call that
each reader is entitled to make -- by right. And it stretches credulity to imagine that political motives have
any role in that choice.

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It's also a high-risk strategy which clearly could back-fire with
stupendous consequences, so why would they do it?

Why "high-risk strategy"? There's no strategy at all in evidence, much less any risk. You offered a solution to
a prime counting problem, others are unimpressed. That's their prerogative.

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I want you to think about that question without me trying to explain
it to you, except to remind you of others in a high stakes area
engaging in seemingly strange behavior. Like consider the current
president of the United States.

What "high stakes". What has the president got to do with your discovery? Are you mad???..Or are you just a
legend in your own mind?

--
O wad some Pow'r the giftie gie us, to see oursels as others see us! (from: To A Louse, by Robert Burns.)
--
Democracy: The triumph of popularity over principle.
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http://www.crbond.com
fuffy
Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2003 11:01 pm
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jstevh@msn.com (James Harris) wrote in message news:<3c65f87.0311281646.1d240a15@posting.google.com>...
Quote:
lesterDELzick@worldnet.att.net (Lester Zick) wrote in message news:<3fc797af.1661458@netnews.att.net>...
On 28 Nov 2003 09:16:10 -0800, jstevh@msn.com (James Harris) in
sci.cognitive wrote:

Well I claim that my prime formula is a great discovery, while others
keep posting that it's not important at all!

However, I know exactly how my formula works, so it seems to me that a
good check of others is to see if they do as well.

So I have a simple challenge. Posters assertions imply expertise, and
at a minimum that expertise should involve understanding *how* my
formula works.

So I'll give them a couple of weeks to try and explain it in this
thread, then if all goes according to plan I'll explain to you how it
works, and you can see who is the real expert.

Let me see if I have the general idea. First you delete sci.cognitive
from your address list and then we all agree that the algorithm works
whatever it is.

The relevance to sci.cognitive is that not only does my discovery
represent an intriguing case of a unique find in a well-worked
area--as prime numbers are VERY well worked--it also raises questions
about how human beings think.

Why did it take so long before anyone found my formula?

How readily do most people understand something that I'll tell you
relies on VERY simple ideas?

Why would mathematicians fight even *recording* it, challenging the
very values that define them!!! Like, modern mathematicians make
claims about beauty and purity in mathematics, where practical
applications and practical concerns are secondary to the "purity" of
mathematical knowledge gained for the sake of knowledge itself.

There are so many issues for the cognitive sciences that I could go on
and on.

It's fascinating and exciting as it all plays out.

Oh yeah, lest readers forget, the point of this thread is to see if
people claiming my math discovery that can count and *find* prime
numbers is unimportant and not worth acknowledging can prove expertise
by managing to explain how it works.

From my own understanding of how the human brain works, it will be
difficult for posters to lie about the value, yet manage to accurately
explain how it works!

You see, it's like there's a switch in people's heads that goes one
way or another. If they're going to lie about my work, they lose
cognitive function necessary to accurately explain how it works...or
at least that's my theory.


James Harris

"My math discoveries, found for profit"
http://mathforprofit.blogspot.com/

fuffy
Shaun Webb
Posted: Fri Dec 05, 2003 10:21 pm
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Quote:
There are so many issues for the cognitive sciences that I could go on
and on.

It's fascinating and exciting as it all plays out.

He's right. I for one am deeply interested in the psychology of crankish
behaviour.

Shaun
James Harris
Posted: Sat Dec 06, 2003 12:10 pm
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"Shaun Webb" <shaun@localhost.localdomain> wrote in message news:<pan.2003.12.06.03.20.58.35873@localhost.localdomain>...
Quote:
There are so many issues for the cognitive sciences that I could go on
and on.

It's fascinating and exciting as it all plays out.

He's right. I for one am deeply interested in the psychology of crankish
behaviour.

Shaun

Hmmm...that reminds me to check this thread. Remember my original
post is a direct request for *someone* to explain how my prime
counting function works.

I have seen at least one attempt at explanation.

After a bit, if necessary, I'll give the rather simple explanation for
how it actually works.

My purpose is to show that posters acting as if they are experts, are
nonesuch, but are actually *cheaters* who want you to believe in them
and their pronouncements, when they don't even understand the
mathematics involved!!!


James Harris

"My math discoveries, found for profit"
http://mathforprofit.blogspot.com/
David Moran
Posted: Sat Dec 06, 2003 12:23 pm
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"James Harris" <jstevh@msn.com> wrote in message
news:3c65f87.0312060910.7372ae5b@posting.google.com...
Quote:
"Shaun Webb" <shaun@localhost.localdomain> wrote in message
news:<pan.2003.12.06.03.20.58.35873@localhost.localdomain>...
There are so many issues for the cognitive sciences that I could go on
and on.

It's fascinating and exciting as it all plays out.

He's right. I for one am deeply interested in the psychology of
crankish
behaviour.

Shaun

Hmmm...that reminds me to check this thread. Remember my original
post is a direct request for *someone* to explain how my prime
counting function works.

I have seen at least one attempt at explanation.

After a bit, if necessary, I'll give the rather simple explanation for
how it actually works.

My purpose is to show that posters acting as if they are experts, are
nonesuch, but are actually *cheaters* who want you to believe in them
and their pronouncements, when they don't even understand the
mathematics involved!!!


James Harris

"My math discoveries, found for profit"
http://mathforprofit.blogspot.com/

You are so far off. You do not understand mathematics like you claim to do.
I can prove it as everyone else can.

David Moran
C. Bond
Posted: Sat Dec 06, 2003 5:12 pm
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James Harris wrote:

[snip]

Quote:
Hmmm...that reminds me to check this thread. Remember my original
post is a direct request for *someone* to explain how my prime
counting function works.

I have seen at least one attempt at explanation.

After a bit, if necessary, I'll give the rather simple explanation for
how it actually works.

My purpose is to show that posters acting as if they are experts, are
nonesuch, but are actually *cheaters* who want you to believe in them
and their pronouncements, when they don't even understand the
mathematics involved!!!

Unfortunately, your method of choice leads to no such conclusion and fails to serve your purpose.. If declining to post
explanations of your work proves incompetence, then you have conclusively succeeded in proving your own incompetence by not
posting answers to the questions about the connection your 'partial differential equation' has with prime counting -- and by
your own criteria!

So far, you are the only poster in this newsgroup who *consistently* fails to back up his pronouncements, claims, boasts,
etc.

Where's the proof the your 'partial differential equation' provides a solution to the prime counting function? Where's your
evidence? Where's your data?

Put up or SHUT UP!


--
There are two things you must never attempt to prove: the unprovable -- and the obvious.
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Democracy: The triumph of popularity over principle.
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http://www.crbond.com
matt grime
Posted: Sun Dec 07, 2003 12:20 pm
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On Sat, 06 Dec 2003 09:10:08 -0800, James Harris wrote:

Quote:

Hmmm...that reminds me to check this thread. Remember my original
post is a direct request for *someone* to explain how my prime
counting function works.

I have seen at least one attempt at explanation.

After a bit, if necessary, I'll give the rather simple explanation for
how it actually works.

My purpose is to show that posters acting as if they are experts, are
nonesuch, but are actually *cheaters* who want you to believe in them
and their pronouncements, when they don't even understand the
mathematics involved!!!


James Harris

"My math discoveries, found for profit"
http://mathforprofit.blogspot.com/



James, you asked for someone to explain how your recursion counts primes.
But then you had to admit that it doesn't count primes, but actually the
composites. So are you going to retract your request for an explanation?
Of course the most interesting thing will be seeing you explain how it
does something that even you now admit it doesn't do.

From this it seems most disingenuous to talk of other people pretending to
have knowledge they do not, when you can't even interpret your own
calculations, some of which are horrendously wrong (both in this argument
[still waiting for you to correct your directional derivative mistake] and
your other ramble on algebraic integers).

You have claimed no one else has provided a difference equation to count
primes. That has been adequately rebutted by Legendre's Method amongst
others.

At least rewrite your claim to acknowledge these facts. There is no shame
in revising an argument. And please write it clearly and without
unnecessary insults to our profession.
 
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