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| Dio |
 Posted: Sun Dec 07, 2003 6:29 am |
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When one is talking about god, deities and so on, that seem that our logic,
our reason is broken, is unable.
To understand what a deity is we need to analyze religion and how them
describe and "think" deities.
Most of deities are thought and written(I mean books of religions) as having
will, wishes and so on.
Eastern philosophy or religion(India, China and so on) think about sleeping
deities.
But if a deity is sleeping that means something about rem phase
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Both kind of deities are thought as having consciousness.
A deity can act if it has a will, wishes and so on. But will, wishes and so
on are attribute of a human consciousness.
That seem like Jupiter, like Greek mythology, and that kind of deities had
body too.
They used to fuck with women, and their sons were half deities.
Nobody nowadays believes in Greek mythology because those deities had body
and human attributes.
But every deity that people invented has got a human attribute: WILL.
So, we can to conclude that every deity that people invented has got will,
wishes,: CONSCIOUSNESS.Even they are sleeping that is rem phase:
CONSCIOUSNESS.
A human consciousness!!
That doesn't matter if that deity has got a body or is immaterial or
supernatural or is a sort of "something else".
If you want to think a deity you must think something with CONSCIOUSNESS,
human consciousness.
If you think something you name deity but that hasn't got will, wishes, that
is not a deity but a natural phenomenon.
Earth for instance is not a deity. If you want Earth as a deity you must
think Earth with will, wishes or at least a sleeping Earth(rem phase).
Otherwise you'd better to think Earth as a natural phenomenon and not as a
deity.
The difference between a deity and a natural phenomenon is that deity is
thought by every religion and every believer as having will, wishes:
CONSCIOUSNESS.
But as I said, consciousness is a human attribute.
Try to invent yourself a deity without human attribute: you'll discover that
there can't be a deity but a simple natural phenomenon.
bye bye |
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| Bjorn Reese |
| Posted: Sun Dec 07, 2003 8:07 am |
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On Sun, 07 Dec 2003 11:29:44 +0000, Dio wrote:
Quote: But as I said, consciousness is a human attribute.
Speech is a human attribute, so parrots are humans.
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| Dio |
| Posted: Sun Dec 07, 2003 8:16 am |
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Bjorn Reese ha scritto nel messaggio ...
Quote: On Sun, 07 Dec 2003 11:29:44 +0000, Dio wrote:
But as I said, consciousness is a human attribute.
Speech is a human attribute, so parrots are humans.
I hope you can see that parrots are a different species:)
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| Russt |
| Posted: Sun Dec 07, 2003 10:22 am |
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"Dio" <dadaismo@tin.it> wrote in message
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Quote: When one is talking about god, deities and so on, that seem that our
logic,
our reason is broken, is unable.
To understand what a deity is we need to analyze religion and how them
describe and "think" deities.
Most of deities are thought and written(I mean books of religions) as
having
will, wishes and so on.
Eastern philosophy or religion(India, China and so on) think about
sleeping
deities.
But if a deity is sleeping that means something about rem phase
.
Both kind of deities are thought as having consciousness.
A deity can act if it has a will, wishes and so on. But will, wishes and
so
on are attribute of a human consciousness.
That seem like Jupiter, like Greek mythology, and that kind of deities had
body too.
They used to fuck with women, and their sons were half deities.
Nobody nowadays believes in Greek mythology because those deities had body
and human attributes.
But every deity that people invented has got a human attribute: WILL.
So, we can to conclude that every deity that people invented has got will,
wishes,: CONSCIOUSNESS.Even they are sleeping that is rem phase:
CONSCIOUSNESS.
A human consciousness!!
That doesn't matter if that deity has got a body or is immaterial or
supernatural or is a sort of "something else".
If you want to think a deity you must think something with CONSCIOUSNESS,
human consciousness.
If you think something you name deity but that hasn't got will, wishes,
that
is not a deity but a natural phenomenon.
Earth for instance is not a deity. If you want Earth as a deity you must
think Earth with will, wishes or at least a sleeping Earth(rem phase).
Otherwise you'd better to think Earth as a natural phenomenon and not as a
deity.
The difference between a deity and a natural phenomenon is that deity is
thought by every religion and every believer as having will, wishes:
CONSCIOUSNESS.
But as I said, consciousness is a human attribute.
Try to invent yourself a deity without human attribute: you'll discover
that
there can't be a deity but a simple natural phenomenon.
bye bye
A deity is a supreme being, many cultures describe some human quality mixed
with awesome powers. We (our technology actually) would be supreme beings to
cultures occurring 2000 years ago. Many Roman and Egyptian deities had both
human and animal appearance. The Greeks described their Gods as very
controlling , super humanlike and very powerful.
Almost all cultures had a "boss" God that lorded over the others, there are
tales of attempted takeovers and dissidents that plagued the "boss" God.
This is not much different than belief in one god that has angels (lesser
gods) to do their biddings. The 'one' and/or 'boss' God usually had a
nemisis which can translate to Satan or the 'bad guy' God. |
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| Psi-Clone |
| Posted: Sun Dec 07, 2003 9:27 pm |
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here are 2 ecerpts from my book of science fiction short stories. the first
one is a piece of an essay i wrote on the illusion of separation of church
and state.
THE ILLUSION OF THE SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE
Some problems with Theocracies are;
a) Many times it results in irreconcilable differences between abjunct
cultures, leading to wars of every degree.
b) Many religions have beliefs that prohibit them from expanding the gene
pool to create a well-rounded human hybrid through interracial mating.
c) Many valuable human resources are ostracized at a professional and
personal level resulting in a dampening of progress technologically,
culturally, and intellectually.
d) Many religions believe that the ethics they establish are valid for every
circumstance, causing stagnation of mental freedoms leading to advancements.
e) The banning of certain products and services such as; Birth control
information/products/services, Blackened Voodoo beer was taken off the
shelves in Texas due to it's name
f) Many states, until recently, would not allow working and/or alcohol sales
on Sundays, and/or religious holidays
g) The harboring of known criminals in Sanctuary. Noriega is one of the more
famous recent examples, He caused the entire U.S. Army to grind to a halt
outside the church he ran into for days.
h) Certain mythologies hold that you are supposed to be ashamed of your body
as their heroes Adam and Eve were`, and enforce it by gunpoint as in the
U.S.
i) The repression of sexual urges due to marriage/family/gender ideologies.
This results in a multitude of stress related illness from acne to
psychosis.
j) Certain religions hold that suicide is an unforgivable sin leading
straight to damnation which results in prolonged suffering of the terminally
ill.
k) Some religions Attempt to block proven life saving advancements in
genetic engineering and medicine
l) Extra-Marital Prostitution is illegal in many countries;)
Religions also attempt to bring Infinity to the exponent of infinity into a
temporal paradigm. I am merely pointing out the fallacy of bringing the
Infinite into a finite dogma. I think that there is alot to be learned from
any book focused on a dogma for living according to Grace, Honor, and
Compassion. These are things that we should all desire and should be
studied and practiced. Whether writings that are for an archaic era are
what we will be considering grace in 200 years is a different story. All
things are changing.
I don't exclude the possibility of mysterious mental phenomena, creatures
that we are unaware of, or consciousness at other levels of existence. I am
too skeptical to deny the possibility of anything, after all the universe is
an unfathomable expanse.
Some examples of attempting to bring the Infinite into the finite and the
questions they pose are as follows:
1. If God is All-Powerful can He make a box that He can't open or
a rock that He can't lift? Can He make you not have read this
sentence?
2. If God is All-Knowing then why does He issue tests to see how
his humans will react then punish them if they fail, knowing all
the while that they would fail. One example of this is the Tree
of Knowledge, he knew from the start that Adam would eat the fruit
and he would be punishing all of mankind forever after.
3. If God is All-Encompassing then He must encompass a place where He isn't
Anywhere.
4. If God is Unlimited then the thing He doesn't contain is a
limit.
As You see the Infinite is a tricky concept that stands in
spite of itself. This makes any attempt to describe it in any way
(i.e. scriptural dogmas) futile. It can't be because it *is*!
ok here's #2 this is from is a fantasy story and Secorac Ji is just a
character... i use alot of Capitals to accomodate my experimental writing
style
GOD AS AN ELEMENTAL
God is a Force emanating from The Heart of Infinity to the exponent of
Infinity. God exists because Infinity to the exponent of Infinity and ALL
IT'S implications exists. It is a hard concept that is immutable and free
from belief or doubt. When someone causes miracles to happen it is not proof
of a state of closeness to the Ultimate Grace. It merely shows that person
has been able to utilize the fact that thought creates a space in which the
Universe falls to a higher degree through mental disciplines.
The coincidences that are manifesting in your life are a result of your
mental emanations transmitting into the Event at large. As we have
discussed before there are many other mental transmitters pulling the fabric
of the Universe in different directions, so thoughts that are more powerful
dissipate the others of a lesser degree. To wrap up the Whole Thing I'll
just say that the Power that occurs in any given Miracle is Impersonal.
The ideals of Grace, however, as a General Rule of Thumb, have more Power
to last through the destructive tendencies of the Universe at Large.
Secorac Ji Teaches us to have a Personal Relationship with The Force that
our mind Touches as an easy way to crystallize thoughts, but, the Underlying
Force is as partial to one of IT'S parts as It is to the other. Hence also,
Karma is not necessarily "cut and dried" for as was seen in this story the
people that were being exterminated then captured on those planets hadn't
yet done anything....[snip]
ok, have fun =)
Quote: flame disclaimer
i wrote these a long time ago, and they are in a book of fiction. |
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| Mark Earnest |
| Posted: Sun Dec 07, 2003 10:27 pm |
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"Dio" <dadaismo@tin.it> wrote in message
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Quote: When one is talking about god, deities and so on, that seem that our
logic,
our reason is broken, is unable.
A deity is one of those ancient, very powerful beings that live quietly on
the outside of the universe, alone and forgotten, until that one day when
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| Bjorn Reese |
| Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2003 12:28 pm |
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On Sun, 07 Dec 2003 13:16:05 +0000, Dio wrote:
Quote: I hope you can see that parrots are a different species:)
You are right. Speech is a human attribute, so parrots
do not exist.
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| Dio |
| Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2003 5:57 pm |
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Bjorn Reese ha scritto nel messaggio ...
Quote: On Sun, 07 Dec 2003 13:16:05 +0000, Dio wrote:
I hope you can see that parrots are a different species:)
You are right. Speech is a human attribute, so parrots
do not exist.
I hope that you can see that believers think about supernatural and not
about humans.
Do you mean to say that supernatural has human attributes?
Believers think that supernatural has got human attributes(like
consciousness).
Let me know
Regard |
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| Lance Sherman |
| Posted: Tue Dec 09, 2003 11:17 am |
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Please dont post this theological material in bionet.neuroscience
thank you
"Dio" <dadaismo@tin.it> wrote in message
news:IaEAb.168248$hV.6222173@news2.tin.it...
Quote: When one is talking about god, deities and so on, that seem that our
logic,
our reason is broken, is unable.
To understand what a deity is we need to analyze religion and how them
describe and "think" deities.
Most of deities are thought and written(I mean books of religions) as
having
will, wishes and so on.
Eastern philosophy or religion(India, China and so on) think about
sleeping
deities.
But if a deity is sleeping that means something about rem phase
.
Both kind of deities are thought as having consciousness.
A deity can act if it has a will, wishes and so on. But will, wishes and
so
on are attribute of a human consciousness.
That seem like Jupiter, like Greek mythology, and that kind of deities had
body too.
They used to fuck with women, and their sons were half deities.
Nobody nowadays believes in Greek mythology because those deities had body
and human attributes.
But every deity that people invented has got a human attribute: WILL.
So, we can to conclude that every deity that people invented has got will,
wishes,: CONSCIOUSNESS.Even they are sleeping that is rem phase:
CONSCIOUSNESS.
A human consciousness!!
That doesn't matter if that deity has got a body or is immaterial or
supernatural or is a sort of "something else".
If you want to think a deity you must think something with CONSCIOUSNESS,
human consciousness.
If you think something you name deity but that hasn't got will, wishes,
that
is not a deity but a natural phenomenon.
Earth for instance is not a deity. If you want Earth as a deity you must
think Earth with will, wishes or at least a sleeping Earth(rem phase).
Otherwise you'd better to think Earth as a natural phenomenon and not as a
deity.
The difference between a deity and a natural phenomenon is that deity is
thought by every religion and every believer as having will, wishes:
CONSCIOUSNESS.
But as I said, consciousness is a human attribute.
Try to invent yourself a deity without human attribute: you'll discover
that
there can't be a deity but a simple natural phenomenon.
bye bye
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| Dio |
| Posted: Tue Dec 09, 2003 12:53 pm |
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Lance Sherman ha scritto nel messaggio ...
Quote: Please dont post this theological material in bionet.neuroscience
CUT
I'm talking about consciousness.
At any rate, you could put me into your killfile.
Regard |
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| Bjorn Reese |
| Posted: Tue Dec 09, 2003 1:56 pm |
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On Mon, 08 Dec 2003 22:57:59 +0000, Dio wrote:
Quote: I hope that you can see that believers think about supernatural and not
about humans.
All I can see is that your reasoning is flawed. How do you
know that consciousness only originates in the human brain
and not anywhere else?
Quote: Do you mean to say that supernatural has human attributes?
That was your claim. I have made no comments about supernatural
beings. I was simply applying your line of reasoning to another
example.
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