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| John C. Randolph |
Posted: Sat Nov 29, 2003 7:56 am |
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James Harris wrote:
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Well I claim that my prime formula is a great discovery, while others
keep posting that it's not important at all!
Yes, that would be because it's not important at all.
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| James Harris |
Posted: Sat Nov 29, 2003 9:14 am |
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Hmmm...that's actually a good idea. Math departments are clearly a
bust as I've talked to math departments all over the world!!!
I have checked with computer science departments before, and it was a
bust, but I'd missed Vanderbilt, and hey, I'm an alumnus at
Vanderbilt!
I'll try them Monday.
Thanks.
I'm going on-line now to look for the type journals you specified. If
you could give some *specific* names that'd be even better.
Make no mistake, I'm in this for the money. And I've checked
thoroughly, and as no one in recorded history has EVER used a partial
difference equation to count prime numbers, it's definitely something
that should be recorded for posterity.
So I just need some acknowledgement, even minor acknowledgement from
some academics or "experts", and then I can get some people outside of
mathematics to pay attention to me, sell my story, and walk away with
a few bucks.
James Harris
"My math discoveries, found for profit"
http://mathforprofit.blogspot.com/
"Nat Silver" <mathelp@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message news:<d_Rxb.351668$0v4.19041038@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>...
Quote: Why not submit your code to a numerical analysis or computer
journal or maybe even take it to the Computer Science
Department at Vanderbilt and see what they think?
I'll tell you why not. Because we both know that
it is not at the level of original research. It's so child-like
to maintain the fantasy of being a misunderstood genius.
Your childhood glory days are over, James. Now you're a
grown-up troll and/or crank. If you can't face it hoist another
and say Cheers!
James Harris wrote:
Wait though, it seems to me that the need of the poster "Uncle Al" to
question the correctness of my work shows I think the popular feeling
that a valid result in the area of prime numbers *should* be worth
noting, especially by mathematicians!!!
The math formula is
dS(x,y) = [p(x/y, y-1) - p(y-1, sqrt(y-1))][ p(y, sqrt(y)) - p(y-1,
sqrt(y-1))],
S(x,1) = 0.
And p(x, y) = floor(x) - S(x, y) - 1, where you get S(x,y) as the sum
of dS from dS(x,2) to dS(x,y).
And, amazingly enough, p(x,sqrt(x)) gives the count of prime numbers
up to and including x, like p(100,10) = 25, the count of primes up to
and including 100.
I'll also include a straightforward Java implementation, which also
prints out prime numbers found by my formula along the way! ___JSH
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| James Harris |
Posted: Sat Nov 29, 2003 9:17 am |
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"Richard Henry" <rphenry@home.com> wrote in message news:<acRxb.24761$m24.10097@fed1read02>...
Quote: "James Harris" <jstevh@msn.com> wrote in message
news:3c65f87.0311280916.1dfc65ef@posting.google.com...
So I have a simple challenge. Posters assertions imply expertise, and
at a minimum that expertise should involve understanding *how* my
formula works.
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So it's an experiment. Let's see what happens.
I have one prediction. You will ignore negative results.
Huh? In any event, so far no one has even tried to explain, which I
find interesting. But the experiment has just started and I've given
a couple of weeks.
Let's see what happens.
James Harris
"My math discoveries, found for profit"
http://mathforprofit.blogspot.com/ |
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| James Harris |
Posted: Sat Nov 29, 2003 9:30 am |
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Well, I've started, and like in the past, I may post responses from
editors, as they can be so amusing. And yes, for those of you who
don't know, I've got a nice collection of interesting responses from
journal editors!
___JSH
"Nat Silver" <mathelp@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message news:<d_Rxb.351668$0v4.19041038@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>...
Quote: Why not submit your code to a numerical analysis or computer
journal or maybe even take it to the Computer Science
Department at Vanderbilt and see what they think?
I'll tell you why not. Because we both know that
it is not at the level of original research. It's so child-like
to maintain the fantasy of being a misunderstood genius.
Your childhood glory days are over, James. Now you're a
grown-up troll and/or crank. If you can't face it hoist another
and say Cheers!
James Harris wrote:
Wait though, it seems to me that the need of the poster "Uncle Al" to
question the correctness of my work shows I think the popular feeling
that a valid result in the area of prime numbers *should* be worth
noting, especially by mathematicians!!!
The math formula is
dS(x,y) = [p(x/y, y-1) - p(y-1, sqrt(y-1))][ p(y, sqrt(y)) - p(y-1,
sqrt(y-1))],
S(x,1) = 0.
And p(x, y) = floor(x) - S(x, y) - 1, where you get S(x,y) as the sum
of dS from dS(x,2) to dS(x,y).
And, amazingly enough, p(x,sqrt(x)) gives the count of prime numbers
up to and including x, like p(100,10) = 25, the count of primes up to
and including 100.
I'll also include a straightforward Java implementation, which also
prints out prime numbers found by my formula along the way! ___JSH
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| C. Bond |
Posted: Sat Nov 29, 2003 11:33 am |
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James Harris wrote:
Quote: "Richard Henry" <rphenry@home.com> wrote in message news:<acRxb.24761$m24.10097@fed1read02>...
"James Harris" <jstevh@msn.com> wrote in message
news:3c65f87.0311280916.1dfc65ef@posting.google.com...
So I have a simple challenge. Posters assertions imply expertise, and
at a minimum that expertise should involve understanding *how* my
formula works.
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So it's an experiment. Let's see what happens.
I have one prediction. You will ignore negative results.
Huh? In any event, so far no one has even tried to explain, which I
find interesting. But the experiment has just started and I've given
a couple of weeks.
Let's see what happens.
James Harris
"My math discoveries, found for profit"
http://mathforprofit.blogspot.com/
Your challenge is a misplaced and inappropriate waste of time. If you have made a significant
discovery, the proper course of action is to write a detailed paper explaining how it works -- not
to ask everyone else to tell you how it works. What's wrong with you? Do you think this is the way
Gauss behaved?
You seem to enjoy what you think of as experimenting on others. Do you also perform experiments on
small animals? (That's considered an early warning sign of pathology.)
If you only restrict your experiments to humans you might consider reading about Joseph Mengala.
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| C. Bond |
Posted: Sat Nov 29, 2003 11:42 am |
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Correction to previous post:
Dr. Joseph Mengele, *not* Mengala. |
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| Neil W Rickert |
Posted: Sat Nov 29, 2003 1:37 pm |
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jstevh@msn.com (James Harris) writes:
Quote: I'm going on-line now to look for the type journals you specified. If
you could give some *specific* names that'd be even better.
Make no mistake, I'm in this for the money. And I've checked
thoroughly, and as no one in recorded history has EVER used a partial
difference equation to count prime numbers, it's definitely something
that should be recorded for posterity.
If you manage to fine a journal that will accept your result for
publication, they will probably treat you financially just the same
as they treat all mathematicians.
That is to say, they may send you a bill for page charges. |
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| Wolf Kirchmeir |
Posted: Sat Nov 29, 2003 3:29 pm |
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On 29 Nov 2003 06:14:46 -0800, James Harris wrote:
Quote: Make no mistake, I'm in this for the money.
If you really believe that someone is going to pay you for discovering a new
mathematical fact, I'd like to help you invest that money so that it will do
me, er, I mean _both_ of us some good. There's this bridge that connects
Manhattan to New Jersey. No, no, not _that_ one, the other one! Got it? Good.
Now I have it on excellent authority that the bridge is for sale to a
qualified loony, er, I mean party, because the Port of New York Authority
needs cash. The deal involves a few million up front plus a percentage of the
tolls for the next three centuries. I'm sure that with your enormous
arithmetical skill, you will see instantly that purchasing this bridge will
make you very, very rich - far richer than mere mathematical discoveries will
ever make you. For pointing you in the direction of this investment, and
brokering the deal on your behalf, I'm asking a piddling 30% of net profits.
If that sounds fair to you, e-mail me at
blind.owl@third.tree.from.the.corner.com, and we can work out a deal. Be sure
to use RSA encryption - otherwise some damn unethical mathematician will be
able to sneak in and take advantage of this opportunity before we can do so.
Don't delay! This is a once in an evening opportunity. Oh, and you need not
send me the key - I've found a method of decrypting RSA, which I will share
with the world as soon as it recognises my superior genius and provides me
loadsadough and excellent babes - a genius superior even to yours, I'm sad to
say, but them's the breaks of the genetic lottery.
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Wolf Kirchmeir, Blind River ON Canada
"Nature does not deal in rewards or punishments, but only in consequences."
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| Christian Bau |
Posted: Sat Nov 29, 2003 6:31 pm |
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In article <3c65f87.0311280916.1dfc65ef@posting.google.com>,
jstevh@msn.com (James Harris) wrote:
Quote: However, I have a suspicion that the people who've been boldest in
claiming that my work isn't important are ones who can't explain how
it works!!!
On my webpage
www.cbau.freeserve.co.uk
which contains my source code for a prime counting algorithm that beats
yours by a factor of about 1000 for large values, there is also a .pdf
file "MeisselLehmerAlgorithm.pdf" which on the first one and a half
pages describes the Legendre algorithm which is equivalent to your
algorithm, and describes in two sentences the basics of Meissel's
algorithm and Lehmer's algorithm which are far superior.
It is quite sad that you never bothered to improve your algorithm by at
least using Meissel's method which is really very easy. If you had done
that, your algorithm wouldn't choke on memory consumption for smallish
results like pi (10^16).
By the way, the source code that I wrote actually contains some
genuinely _new_ stuff, unlike yours! |
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| James Harris |
Posted: Sat Nov 29, 2003 7:11 pm |
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Already got one reply, and it's not worth discussing much. Seems
computer scientists defer to mathematicians. Oh well, not really a
big surprise. __JSH
jstevh@msn.com (James Harris) wrote in message news:<3c65f87.0311290630.bb9707a@posting.google.com>...
Quote: Well, I've started, and like in the past, I may post responses from
editors, as they can be so amusing. And yes, for those of you who
don't know, I've got a nice collection of interesting responses from
journal editors!
___JSH
"Nat Silver" <mathelp@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message news:<d_Rxb.351668$0v4.19041038@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>...
Why not submit your code to a numerical analysis or computer
journal or maybe even take it to the Computer Science
Department at Vanderbilt and see what they think?
I'll tell you why not. Because we both know that
it is not at the level of original research. It's so child-like
to maintain the fantasy of being a misunderstood genius.
Your childhood glory days are over, James. Now you're a
grown-up troll and/or crank. If you can't face it hoist another
and say Cheers!
James Harris wrote:
Wait though, it seems to me that the need of the poster "Uncle Al" to
question the correctness of my work shows I think the popular feeling
that a valid result in the area of prime numbers *should* be worth
noting, especially by mathematicians!!!
The math formula is
dS(x,y) = [p(x/y, y-1) - p(y-1, sqrt(y-1))][ p(y, sqrt(y)) - p(y-1,
sqrt(y-1))],
S(x,1) = 0.
And p(x, y) = floor(x) - S(x, y) - 1, where you get S(x,y) as the sum
of dS from dS(x,2) to dS(x,y).
And, amazingly enough, p(x,sqrt(x)) gives the count of prime numbers
up to and including x, like p(100,10) = 25, the count of primes up to
and including 100.
I'll also include a straightforward Java implementation, which also
prints out prime numbers found by my formula along the way! ___JSH
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| James Harris |
Posted: Sat Nov 29, 2003 7:19 pm |
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"John C. Randolph" <jcr@nospam.idiom.com> wrote in message news:<3FC8978E.D1347AB8@nospam.idiom.com>...
Quote: James Harris wrote:
Well I claim that my prime formula is a great discovery, while others
keep posting that it's not important at all!
Yes, that would be because it's not important at all.
-jcr
Really? Then clearly if you *know* that so that you can be so
certain, you can explain how it works, right?
Now then, why don't you try and explain how it works.
For your reference, here it is again:
dS(x,y) = [p(x/y, y-1) - p(y-1, sqrt(y-1))][ p(y, sqrt(y)) - p(y-1,
sqrt(y-1))],
S(x,1) = 0.
And p(x, y) = floor(x) - S(x, y) - 1, and you get S as the sum of dS
from dS(x,2) to dS(x,y).
The count of primes is given by p(x, sqrt(x)), now then John C.
Randolph, why don't you explain why.
Can you? Or are you just another Usenet loser trying to blow off
steam at my expense?
James Harris
"My math discoveries, found for profit"
http://mathforprofit.blogspot.com/ |
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| C. Bond |
Posted: Sat Nov 29, 2003 8:34 pm |
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James Harris wrote:
Quote: "John C. Randolph" <jcr@nospam.idiom.com> wrote in message news:<3FC8978E.D1347AB8@nospam.idiom.com>...
James Harris wrote:
Well I claim that my prime formula is a great discovery, while others
keep posting that it's not important at all!
Yes, that would be because it's not important at all.
-jcr
Really? Then clearly if you *know* that so that you can be so
certain, you can explain how it works, right?
Now then, why don't you try and explain how it works.
Why don't *you* explain how it works? If your discovery is as important as you claim it is, the proper
course of action is to write a paper describing its operation in great detail. Either publish the paper in
a reputable journal or publish it yourself. But why in the world are you asking *other* people to explain
how it works?
You have succeeded in elevating idiocy to unprecedented heights, Wacky. Go back to your playpen.
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Democracy: The triumph of popularity over principle.
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| Brian Quincy Hutchings |
Posted: Sun Nov 30, 2003 12:31 am |
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| Bjorn Reese |
Posted: Sun Nov 30, 2003 10:04 am |
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On Sat, 29 Nov 2003 16:42:44 +0000, C. Bond wrote:
Quote: Correction to previous post:
Dr. Joseph Mengele, *not* Mengala.
Attention please. I hereby invoke Godwin's Law and declare this
discussion dead.
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| James Harris |
Posted: Sun Nov 30, 2003 10:12 am |
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"C. Bond" <cbond@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message news:<3FC94925.7A2A0B2@ix.netcom.com>...
Quote: James Harris wrote:
"John C. Randolph" <jcr@nospam.idiom.com> wrote in message news:<3FC8978E.D1347AB8@nospam.idiom.com>...
James Harris wrote:
Well I claim that my prime formula is a great discovery, while others
keep posting that it's not important at all!
Yes, that would be because it's not important at all.
-jcr
Really? Then clearly if you *know* that so that you can be so
certain, you can explain how it works, right?
Now then, why don't you try and explain how it works.
Why don't *you* explain how it works? If your discovery is as important as you claim it is, the proper
course of action is to write a paper describing its operation in great detail. Either publish the paper in
a reputable journal or publish it yourself. But why in the world are you asking *other* people to explain
how it works?
I've explained in the past but noticed that other posters would just
use information I provided to try and confuse others. Yup, they'd
pervert the process.
Here, by not explaining first in this thread, I'm showing readers that
all these people trying to convince them that my prime area discovery
is in fact unimportant, are in fact, lying.
If they're not lying then they have the expertise to answer the
question of how my partial difference equation works.
Quote: You have succeeded in elevating idiocy to unprecedented heights, Wacky. Go back to your playpen.
The essential point is that I'm someone who made a nice discovery in
the area of prime numbers, but rather than at a minimum acknowledge my
discovery, mathematicians chose to ignore or downplay it.
It's clearly a political decision at odds with claims of
mathematicians about the importance to them of "pure math" or beauty,
or math for math's sake.
It's also a high-risk strategy which clearly could back-fire with
stupendous consequences, so why would they do it?
I want you to think about that question without me trying to explain
it to you, except to remind you of others in a high stakes area
engaging in seemingly strange behavior. Like consider the current
president of the United States.
James Harris
"My math discoveries, found for profit"
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