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| ruetheday@outgun.com |
 Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2005 9:37 am |
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http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/81217/music-publishers-seek-stringent-punishment-for-lyrics-disclosure.html
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'Unauthorised use of lyrics and tablature deprives the songwriter of
the ability to make a living, and is no different than stealing,' he
said.
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That one left me scratching my head. How exactly does the publication
of lyrics, which often aren't even included with albums, deprive the
songwriter of the ability to make a living? |
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| Les Cargill |
| Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2005 10:22 am |
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ruetheday@outgun.com wrote:
[quote:d821cea89f]http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/81217/music-publishers-seek-stringent-punishment-for-lyrics-disclosure.html
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'Unauthorised use of lyrics and tablature deprives the songwriter of
the ability to make a living, and is no different than stealing,' he
said.
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That one left me scratching my head. How exactly does the publication
of lyrics, which often aren't even included with albums, deprive the
songwriter of the ability to make a living?
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Mainly, you assume that the songwriter is the
recipient of the revenues from album sales. That's
only been true since about 1964.
The distribution of those lyrics is legally restricted to
official printed versions. Often, the lyrics would be
printed along with sheet music.
The actual damage is going to be limited, because
very few people actually buy printed lyric sheets and sheet
music these days.
But it works out to be exactly like Napster distribution
of .mp3 files.
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Les Cargill |
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| ruetheday@outgun.com |
| Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2005 3:58 pm |
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[quote:7313476f97]That one left me scratching my head. How exactly does the publication
of lyrics, which often aren't even included with albums, deprive the
songwriter of the ability to make a living?
[/quote:7313476f97]
[quote:7313476f97]Mainly, you assume that the songwriter is the
recipient of the revenues from album sales. That's
only been true since about 1964.
The distribution of those lyrics is legally restricted to
official printed versions. Often, the lyrics would be
printed along with sheet music.
[/quote:7313476f97]
[quote:7313476f97]The actual damage is going to be limited, because
very few people actually buy printed lyric sheets and sheet
music these days.
[/quote:7313476f97]
[quote:7313476f97]But it works out to be exactly like Napster distribution
of .mp3 files.
[/quote:7313476f97]
Many of the lyrics sites rely on people transcribing the lyrics by ear.
We're not talking about photocopying sheet music here. |
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| Les Cargill |
| Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2005 9:56 pm |
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ruetheday@outgun.com wrote:
[quote:0a84968092]That one left me scratching my head. How exactly does the publication
of lyrics, which often aren't even included with albums, deprive the
songwriter of the ability to make a living?
Mainly, you assume that the songwriter is the
recipient of the revenues from album sales. That's
only been true since about 1964.
The distribution of those lyrics is legally restricted to
official printed versions. Often, the lyrics would be
printed along with sheet music.
The actual damage is going to be limited, because
very few people actually buy printed lyric sheets and sheet
music these days.
But it works out to be exactly like Napster distribution
of .mp3 files.
Many of the lyrics sites rely on people transcribing the lyrics by ear.
We're not talking about photocopying sheet music here.
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The publishing company still retains sole right to publish. If
you'll notice, there's usually a disclaimer on the tab and
lyric sheets designed to attempt a cover of fair use for
the publication of the online material.
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| sinister |
| Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2005 7:13 am |
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<ruetheday@outgun.com> wrote in message
news:1134248316.066503.15100@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
[quote:59591242d4]That one left me scratching my head. How exactly does the publication
of lyrics, which often aren't even included with albums, deprive the
songwriter of the ability to make a living?
Mainly, you assume that the songwriter is the
recipient of the revenues from album sales. That's
only been true since about 1964.
The distribution of those lyrics is legally restricted to
official printed versions. Often, the lyrics would be
printed along with sheet music.
The actual damage is going to be limited, because
very few people actually buy printed lyric sheets and sheet
music these days.
But it works out to be exactly like Napster distribution
of .mp3 files.
Many of the lyrics sites rely on people transcribing the lyrics by ear.
We're not talking about photocopying sheet music here.
[/quote:59591242d4]
That's funny. It's one of my favorite examples pointing out the fallacy in
arguments, oft heard from libertarians circles, that copyrights can be
defended on contractual grounds. At which point I always ask: what about a
third party who passes by, overhears a song, and transcribes it?
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| Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2005 11:06 pm |
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On Mon, 12 Dec 2005 07:13:14 -0500, "sinister"
<sinister@nospam.invalid> wrote:
[quote:0ec6329e62]ruetheday@outgun.com> wrote in message
news:1134248316.066503.15100@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
Many of the lyrics sites rely on people transcribing the lyrics by ear.
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What I don't get is, how can anyone understand the lyrics without a
printed songsheet? ;^)
[quote:0ec6329e62]That's funny. It's one of my favorite examples pointing out the fallacy in
arguments, oft heard from libertarians circles, that copyrights can be
defended on contractual grounds. At which point I always ask: what about a
third party who passes by, overhears a song, and transcribes it?
[/quote:0ec6329e62]
Feudal libertarians don't understand concepts like "public domain."
They think it means when the IP expires.
-- Roy L |
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